Top 5 Nightblades PC NA

KenaPKK · February 2016

Crown wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

I'd love to see some #CrownMechanics. WTB @Crown 1vX video? And I agree, mageblade and stamblade are entirely different play styles and could be judged differently, but there are also diverse play styles within the broad categories of "magicka" and "stamina."

@KenaPKK I've actually streamed the first day of every campaign reset when I'm farming AP solo / duo for the past few months. I tend to get about 30-40 people watching (mostly guild mates from Victorem and Resilient) who ask good questions (and about 100 people banned who are just haters / poop disturbers). I use a 30 minute delay, so that people don't come and interrupt / disrupt.

Next time I'll record / ShadowPlay some of the better fights.

Didn't know this. Please do record from these days, and let me know next time you're streaming so I can follow and watch along! I always keep Twitch streams up in the background when I'm working.

mchermie · February 2016

- Azoi
- Aenlir
- Ninja San
- Anti Matter
- Ara Valleria

Therium104 · February 2016

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

List your top 5 people you can't stand the most and comments to go with it

This is all kinds of messed up. It should not be players but no skill broken overpowered NB abilities that are spammed:

1) Surprise Attack
2) Ambush
3) etc....

I mean honestly.

Takllin · February 2016

Why is no one else mentioning ZERGBAD EXTERMINATOR?

Don't make him come back...

JDar · February 2016

I fought with Aenlir for about 30 minutes one time... I was amazed by his mobility and positioning! I don't think I was worthy, but I was impressed! I'm glad to see a lot of votes for him.

silky_soft · February 2016

Therium104 wrote: »

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

List your top 5 people you can't stand the most and comments to go with it

This is all kinds of messed up. It should not be players but no skill broken overpowered NB abilities that are spammed:

1) Surprise Attack
2) Ambush
3) etc....

I mean honestly.

You mean like shields scaling off magika and not HP? Overload light attack?

JDar · February 2016

Therium104 wrote: »

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

List your top 5 people you can't stand the most and comments to go with it

This is all kinds of messed up. It should not be players but no skill broken overpowered NB abilities that are spammed:

1) Surprise Attack
2) Ambush
3) etc....

I mean honestly.

I hate to go there because this thread is about giving props to individual talent, but honestly the nightblades you see that are good are not the ones relying on the raw power of Veiled Strike or Teleport Strike. Cloak gets criticized for being very strong, but the nightblades who weave cloak into their attacks along with skills like Shadow Image are the hardest to deal with.

Ambush/Surprise attack me? Easy, I fear you and cloak away until I have some distance on you.

A nightblade who knows when to move in and when to move out? Very hard to deal with. This is what I try to do in my game, take advantage of the dynamics in a fight and use my ranged options to wear down my opponent. Of course, as a nightblade, a wrecking blow in the face just about undoes all of this, but rightfully so. That's the game.

I have been guilty of gap closer spamming before, and upon my most coveted of scalps I've rained down the Lotus Fan. I don't necessarily apologize for this. However I think that if it were to be nerfed somehow, I would be just fine as would a lot of the people whose names are in this thread.

I think gap closers reward players with a very elementary grasp of ability synergy and tactical positioning, and so it would actually please me to see Teleport Strike toned down a little bit. I don't even open with it most of the time because I think opening with Concealed Weapon is a much stronger move.

Lisbette · February 2016

Sabre Ali #1 with a bullet.

He won the Legend dueling tourney a couple of months ago with ~250 CP before caps where in place, so that means in some instances he was fighting players with 300-500 more CP than him. And he doesn't use Cloak.

-Tamerlin

Erynyes · February 2016

Lisbette wrote: »

Sabre Ali #1 with a bullet.

He won the Legend dueling tourney a couple of months ago with ~250 CP before caps where in place, so that means in some instances he was fighting players with 300-500 more CP than him. And he doesn't use Cloak.

-Tamerlin

being the best nightblade is not just being the best at dueling in a legend guild, it's also about what you bring to your group, nb is a class that really shine in small group play when you complement your other group members work, KenaPKK mentionned earlier in this thread that ara valeria couldn't beat him, but i fear ANY group that can count on ara, because he/she makes everyone in that group way more deadly, no disrespect to sabre ali, i still think that he and aenlir are the best, but dueling isn't all that matters

Kova · February 2016

Takllin wrote: »

Why is no one else mentioning ZERGBAD EXTERMINATOR?

Don't make him come back...

The only reason I can't give anything to Zerg is because he openly ran shieldbreaker a while back. It's the same reason none of the people I listed ran double mundus when that was rampant, which is another thing Zerg did if I'm remembering correctly. Not calling him a bad player, though.

Cathexis · February 2016

You guys should just spam the number 5 repeatedly over and over in this thread that will give you the answer to this threads question.

Hint: Ambush is leet skillz bruh!

ScooberSteve · February 2016

Loose duels are the best kind

mchermie · February 2016

Kova wrote: »

The only reason I can't give anything to Zerg is because he openly ran shieldbreaker a while back. It's the same reason none of the people I listed ran double mundus when that was rampant, which is another thing Zerg did if I'm remembering correctly. Not calling him a bad player, though.

Being a hard-hitting ganker who can oneshot people, while also using broken mechanics doesnt make one good

Emma_Overload · February 2016

Top 5 Nightblades? How about ALL of them?

They all look the same to me... invisible, cowardly and cheat-y!

Crown · February 2016

Kova wrote: »

The only reason I can't give anything to Zerg is because he openly ran shieldbreaker a while back.

What's wrong with running shieldbreaker? You're giving up some of your damage/crit potential from Hunding's in order to panic magicka shield-stacking sorcs who don't know about casting rapid regen every 15 seconds..

If we have a "Best Magicka Sorcs" thread are you going to discount those who stack shields?

Erondil · February 2016

Crown wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

The only reason I can't give anything to Zerg is because he openly ran shieldbreaker a while back.

What's wrong with running shieldbreaker? You're giving up some of your damage/crit potential from Hunding's in order to panic magicka shield-stacking sorcs who don't know about casting rapid regen every 15 seconds..

If we have a "Best Magicka Sorcs" thread are you going to discount those who stack shields?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhL_DonvnU
I guess your sorc has to be emp aswell to outheal shieldbreaker with rr. Besides that sb isnt cheesy only agaisnt sorc

Chori · February 2016

Erondil wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

The only reason I can't give anything to Zerg is because he openly ran shieldbreaker a while back.

What's wrong with running shieldbreaker? You're giving up some of your damage/crit potential from Hunding's in order to panic magicka shield-stacking sorcs who don't know about casting rapid regen every 15 seconds..

If we have a "Best Magicka Sorcs" thread are you going to discount those who stack shields?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhL_DonvnU
I guess your sorc has to be emp aswell to outheal shieldbreaker with rr. Besides that sb isnt cheesy only agaisnt sorc

And that silly video to prove that shield breaker cannot be healed thru in the long time? or that every sorcerer is competent enough to sit there and take 50 auto attacks from a bow without landing any counter CC or blink away 4 times?
Sorcerers should be happy the shields still stack, that not everybody uses that set, and that ZOS didnt want to make that aspect of the class disappear by nerfing the shield stacks even more.

MOAR SHIELDS PLOX

Crown · February 2016

Shield Breaker does 2k damage every hit. The same timing as a heal from most hots. Get one frag off in that time and your target is knocked down, letting you do more damage and have a heal up moment. Streak once or twice and the archer has to reposition. If you're just standing there, then yeah, you're going to die - but you're also incompetent.

Most of the magicka sorcs I've beaten on my stam DK (using shield breaker) have been standing still, alternating their shield and frags - which I reflect back at them.

Most of the magicka sorcs I've lost to have been very good on their repositioning and used streak effectively.

darkrozes_rob16_ESO · February 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Kerviz

He def needs to be on the top 5 list lol, i ate a lot of his heavy atack ninja 1hko's while i was riding my horse

Force-Siphon · February 2016

Every thread turns into Nerf shields...shield breaker has counters and sometimes you are going to eat a death bc of the set...Sorc life these days bc ZOS can't balance their game and put that set in instead...who cares really I mean most ppl don't run that set bc they are gimping themselves, I might see 1 or 2 ppl all day who wear it tbh...Crown is just getting started on his DK anyway I don't blame him.

Okay so right now my top 5?
Ara
Aenlir
Vita
Ninja San
Anti-matter

There are others but I don't really fight them/see them often like DC NBs for example.

AddictionX · February 2016

Although I rarely see this name, Yiko does deserve a spot here.

Crown · February 2016

@Force-Siphon the main reason I'm using it on my DK is that I had it available and didn't want to spend gold / mats making a hunding's set three weeks before a new content patch (PTS) where we will see if the min/max sets change. As someone who PvP's 95% of his game time I don't have the millions of gold that many others do.

Force-Siphon · February 2016

Yeah that's what I was saying crown

Takllin · February 2016

mchermie wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

The only reason I can't give anything to Zerg is because he openly ran shieldbreaker a while back. It's the same reason none of the people I listed ran double mundus when that was rampant, which is another thing Zerg did if I'm remembering correctly. Not calling him a bad player, though.

Being a hard-hitting ganker who can oneshot people, while also using broken mechanics doesnt make one good

Yeah it was all tongue in cheek :P He's a baddie, I was kinda hoping people would jump aboard the train but it flew away with a one man army on it.

Yiko · February 2016

AddictionX wrote: »

Although I rarely see this name, Yiko does deserve a spot here.

Thanks for mentioning me

AddictionX · February 2016

Yiko wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

Although I rarely see this name, Yiko does deserve a spot here.

Thanks for mentioning me

You're hard to kill, though that's probably the nicest thing I've heard from you. I almost feel I'm one of your favorite targets. Comming from a dude who 1v1 ara and won his fair share, and bursted Aenlir non-gank kill few days ago(at that tower next to the arrius mine, next to that tower mage guard but ill be quiet now im a nobody a pug with a few months play)

you are well welcome in this hall of fame.

ToRelax · February 2016

Crown wrote: »

Shield Breaker does 2k damage every hit. The same timing as a heal from most hots. Get one frag off in that time and your target is knocked down, letting you do more damage and have a heal up moment. Streak once or twice and the archer has to reposition. If you're just standing there, then yeah, you're going to die - but you're also incompetent.

Most of the magicka sorcs I've beaten on my stam DK (using shield breaker) have been standing still, alternating their shield and frags - which I reflect back at them.

Most of the magicka sorcs I've lost to have been very good on their repositioning and used streak effectively.

So let me get this straight... you are just starting out on a stam DK, haven't tested other sets yet and aren't dueling much either? I don't think I'd dare defend something I'm using from that position.

joe.smith21b14_ESO · February 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

@KenaPKK deserves a shout amongst all these strong players being named

@Crown very underrated too, he's been playing a magblade since long before it was cool to do so, but I think nobody recognizes what I've seen him do because of his group exploits

How about a shout for Molepo too

There should be a separate discussion for mageblades, they are a whole other ball game I think

Awwww thank you! I work hard to improve and perform, so a mention in this thread means a lot.

I'd love to see some #CrownMechanics. WTB @Crown 1vX video? And I agree, mageblade and stamblade are entirely different play styles and could be judged differently, but there are also diverse play styles within the broad categories of "magicka" and "stamina." Eventually you have to draw a line.

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Astiene Loraine
Sphinxster
Azoi
Ara Valleria
Anti-Matter

SkylarkAU wrote: »

In no particular order

- Ninja San
- Azoi
- Sypher
- Anti-Matter
- Aenlir

I thought Shinxster was just a ganker. Would love to see more of him I suppose. Ara and Ninja San can't beat me. I've fought Ara several times, and I've 1v3ed Ninja and two of his guys twice plus a couple of 1v1s. They're good though. Much respect to Anti. He puts up a scary strong fight, but we've never actually had a straight one -- just pushed each other around on the edge of zergs. He's my bro, and I'm glad to see him mentioned here. I haven't had the pleasure of watching Azoi or Astien play at length, but would love to. I speak with them both, and they've given me pointers in the past. Sypher is of course skilled as well.

Aenlir is a god and has taught me more than any other single player.

Jago, Wizio, and Araxleon deserve places in this list in my opinion. This pushes the list longer than "5 top Nightblades," but honestly, when you get to the top level of play, everyone is pretty nearly matched. I like that the list is long.

Zavus wrote: »

Nightblade Daniel

It's in the name!

This guy here is a chump use that officer card bruh cause you know that's the only way you can beat me is the ban hammer

Crown · February 2016

ToRelax wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Shield Breaker does 2k damage every hit. The same timing as a heal from most hots. Get one frag off in that time and your target is knocked down, letting you do more damage and have a heal up moment. Streak once or twice and the archer has to reposition. If you're just standing there, then yeah, you're going to die - but you're also incompetent.

Most of the magicka sorcs I've beaten on my stam DK (using shield breaker) have been standing still, alternating their shield and frags - which I reflect back at them.

Most of the magicka sorcs I've lost to have been very good on their repositioning and used streak effectively.

So let me get this straight... you are just starting out on a stam DK, haven't tested other sets yet and aren't dueling much either? I don't think I'd dare defend something I'm using from that position.

@ToRelax What's to test? I've done all the math, right now I know that Hunding's is more DPS, though don't want to spend the mats to make a gold set until I'm certain that it's the most appropriate for the next patch, and the difference in overall damage to a max stam/stam regen/weapon damage set (as shield breaker is) is approximately 12% overall damage.

Regarding duelling, that's trivial. I win 3/4 duels with pretty much the same setup as on my NB when he was stamina - the only real difference being wrecking blow rather than the instant surprise attack, and flappy flap instead of cloak.

I'm also not defending the use of shield breaker as there's nothing wrong with using it - it's hella fun watching magicka sorcs panic. It's a set with pros and cons the same as any other. Long term, I'm quite certain that I'll be using something else (and more likely going to a magicka build with some of the changes on PTS), though for now I'm having fun and that's what's most important.

ToRelax · February 2016

Crown wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Shield Breaker does 2k damage every hit. The same timing as a heal from most hots. Get one frag off in that time and your target is knocked down, letting you do more damage and have a heal up moment. Streak once or twice and the archer has to reposition. If you're just standing there, then yeah, you're going to die - but you're also incompetent.

Most of the magicka sorcs I've beaten on my stam DK (using shield breaker) have been standing still, alternating their shield and frags - which I reflect back at them.

Most of the magicka sorcs I've lost to have been very good on their repositioning and used streak effectively.

So let me get this straight... you are just starting out on a stam DK, haven't tested other sets yet and aren't dueling much either? I don't think I'd dare defend something I'm using from that position.

@ToRelax What's to test? I've done all the math, right now I know that Hunding's is more DPS, though don't want to spend the mats to make a gold set until I'm certain that it's the most appropriate for the next patch, and the difference in overall damage to a max stam/stam regen/weapon damage set (as shield breaker is) is approximately 12% overall damage.

Regarding duelling, that's trivial. I win 3/4 duels with pretty much the same setup as on my NB when he was stamina - the only real difference being wrecking blow rather than the instant surprise attack, and flappy flap instead of cloak.

I'm also not defending the use of shield breaker as there's nothing wrong with using it - it's hella fun watching magicka sorcs panic. It's a set with pros and cons the same as any other. Long term, I'm quite certain that I'll be using something else (and more likely going to a magicka build with some of the changes on PTS), though for now I'm having fun and that's what's most important.

@Crown
Saying Hunding's is more DPS than Shieldbreaker is like saying heals are more hps than shields. Apples and Oranges.
Further I didn't even attack the use of a set, but the way you defended it. I could as well say when that "archer" takes a frag to the face he's incompetent. You are not talking from experience here, exactly what I criticized.