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Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »I'm gonna go against the grain here and say no to all
why?
Because, it perpetuates the further watering down of the game.
Trust me I'll use all these things if they were to come out, but here are some of the reasons and trends as to why, I used to be starkly for banking ap, account wide AR and undaunted and even race change, and am now leaning the other way.
Champion points, account wide. Now I'm one of those lucky enough, or stupid enough to play long enough to be at the cap, but I'll admit that yea it is a little bizarre that at a start my abilities hit harder, I regen more, and tankier etc than someone who bought the game yesterday. I mean any long term player in this game can also even argue ZoS owed us that much, but in an MMO where there are classes and "controls" in place, the spread of AP through out your toons is another item along the decline to redistribution of skill vs mechanics that this game has been on for a while.
Take pvp.... If race change were added, anyone with a credit card or gift certificate will be running to the crown store and you will see nothing but min maxed players in cyrodiil, and not saying that some racials need or don't needchanging, but to give the power for someone who doesn't want to learn how to manage stam, and giving them a redguard or bosmer, then these window lickers are going to be able to annoy you longer and harder.
For instance I play an imperial stamplar, regen value (depending on my desired play style that day) is 1900-2400. Now I like to think I hit pretty hard, and come a race change option I'd likely head redguard because 9% more regen and adrenaline rush means I can sacrifice more regen and allow racial passives to make up the regen difference. Another point in regards to that, at the lowest of my regen values, and equally speced redguard is at the mid to high tier of my regen values. Having that power change be linked to what will likely be a real world monetary transaction is too close to pay to win, if it isn't by definition.
Problem with faction wide AR and undaunted rank, is it is diet champion system. You shouldn't just have vigor, proxy and 2-6% extra resources..... Just because you worked for it once. It's an MMO.... However tedious, annoying or boring a new toon grind may be to us PvP'ers for extra racial or class bonuses etc... .that stuff has to be worked for. That's part of the game being a game, it's the same reason why pvp'ers have to pve and vice versa. Some may say racial bonuses shouldn't require that much work... I say if you are someone who hits 16k wrecking blows with 2k regen and you want 2.2k regen and 1500 stam for hitting a melee attack every 3 seconds.... You should have to work for that. Honestly, the grind... Although annoying... Is pretty easy.
Ok, now onto the initial AP conundrum. AP hasn't been worth anything since the level cap was v14. Is it in anyway detrimental if players can bank and transfer it on their accounts? No, not particularly, other than the "reward" of those who have a lot of ap because they worked hard on that one toon. My biggest gripe with account wide AP is this game doesn't have many elements where people have to "work" for anything, and it is my opinion that this as well as other in game changes are proliferating the continued watering down of ESO.
Continuing down the path of everything available to everyone, trust me I would love to try out an AR 50 stam redguard templar with surprise attack, dragon leap, streak ambush crit surge and steel tornado..... Or some high elf magicka equivalent of that.... But I'd likely quit after that day.
Races, undaunted, AR, classes, these are all things that add a little salt to to this other wise boiled chicken of a game. Faction wide AP a real problem? No. But it's another step in an increasingly dangerous direction. Then again...... This is all my opinion.
then how come it is ok to share gold between all accounts? or do you not agree with that either?0 -
caeliusstarbreaker✭✭✭✭✭
✭Gold is a game wide currency... AP is specific to PVP. You can get gold (albeit at horribly low amounts in pvp) across all zones and every facet. AP is different in that it only occurs in zones that have a PVP element.Rhage Lionpride DC Stamina Templar
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✭✭✭✭Teargrants wrote: »
Then right after you announced it, you would say "no eta."Lord_Legion625235 wrote:
Ok as the CEO of zos, i would get rid of bop items,
Scale pvp items to vr 16,
vma wpns in campaign rewards
Crafting writs back to vr 14 Mats
Have a nice day
You know, as the CEO of ZOS.
You also need to emphasize how important it is, and that you're working on it, right before you drop the no ETA.Daggerfall Covenant
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Decado✭✭✭✭caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »Gold is a game wide currency... AP is specific to PVP. You can get gold (albeit at horribly low amounts in pvp) across all zones and every facet. AP is different in that it only occurs in zones that have a PVP element.
That was all well and good until they started to make it a currency with stupid prices, 3.4 million for a motif? Wtf is that, and these undaunted are not going to be cheap either,
If Zoe wants to make AP a proper currency they need to treat it like every other currency in the game.
I don't see how people can disagree with that.
I know many people disagree on AR being account wide but I think that's a discussion for another thread this is about AP not AR1 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Need undaunted skill line acc wide
Undaunted is a sucky grind bit I don't care as much about this being account wide. I REALLY want account wide or bankable AP though!Edited by Solariken on January 31, 2016 1:02AM0 -
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✭caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »Gold is a game wide currency... AP is specific to PVP. You can get gold (albeit at horribly low amounts in pvp) across all zones and every facet. AP is different in that it only occurs in zones that have a PVP element.
I apologize but I don't see the downsides or "watering down of ESO" by making AP bankable. PvP is already in a terrible state with the lag. Whenever the lag gets bad in Azura's, I head to Haderus, and when Haderus gets bad, I log onto an alt and go to blackwater blade. If I can buy items with AP, bank them, and transfer then to a different character, how is that not the same as banking AP? If I can pool all my AP between my characters and have a shared bank space with siege, oils, repair kits, etc, or not have to worry about logging onto other characters to buy that crap for my lowbies and then relogging over to them, that would make the already crappy PvP experience a little more bearable. We're not asking for magic det at level 10, we're not asking to tote around Molag Kena before we even unlock our 2nd skill bar, we're asking for a quality of life improvement that already exists with gold, telvar and CP. This would just continue the trend of consistency.2 -
K4RMA✭✭✭✭bikerangelo wrote: »caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »Gold is a game wide currency... AP is specific to PVP. You can get gold (albeit at horribly low amounts in pvp) across all zones and every facet. AP is different in that it only occurs in zones that have a PVP element.
I apologize but I don't see the downsides or "watering down of ESO" by making AP bankable. PvP is already in a terrible state with the lag. Whenever the lag gets bad in Azura's, I head to Haderus, and when Haderus gets bad, I log onto an alt and go to blackwater blade. If I can buy items with AP, bank them, and transfer then to a different character, how is that not the same as banking AP? If I can pool all my AP between my characters and have a shared bank space with siege, oils, repair kits, etc, or not have to worry about logging onto other characters to buy that crap for my lowbies and then relogging over to them, that would make the already crappy PvP experience a little more bearable. We're not asking for magic det at level 10, we're not asking to tote around Molag Kena before we even unlock our 2nd skill bar, we're asking for a quality of life improvement that already exists with gold, telvar and CP. This would just continue the trend of consistency.
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✭Siege is dependent on the faction you purchase it from. AP shouldn't have a hold attached to it. There is no reason you shouldn't be able to bank it.
Bankable:- Gold
- Tel Var
The *** child of ESO:- AP
*Edited by hammayolettuce on January 31, 2016 9:33PM♥ Snü (Magicka DK) ♥ Thnu (Stamplar) ♥ Pizza for Breakfast (Magplar) ♥ Sparklefingers (Magicka Sorc) ♥♥ Bean and Cheese Burrito (Magicka DK) ♥ Snurrito (Stamplar) ♥DARFAL COVANT0 -
Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »Gold is a game wide currency... AP is specific to PVP. You can get gold (albeit at horribly low amounts in pvp) across all zones and every facet. AP is different in that it only occurs in zones that have a PVP element.
that does not answer my question of why it is ok for gold to be bankable but not for AP to be bankable.Edited by Cody on January 31, 2016 6:50AM0
