Mount Skills Account Wide

Xellos77 · January 2016

munkt0r wrote: »

I don't REALLY have an opinion, but it seems logical if costumes are purchased mounts are account wide...so should your training/riding skills.

But see, that's where the fine line exists between not ticking off your customers and keeping cash flow going. I cannot imagine the outcry if every cosmetic item and mount had to be purchased for EACH character. That would be an astronomically big mistake by ZOS. On the other hand, riding skill is something annoying, but not outright a slap in the face and overtly obvious cash grab.

munkt0r · January 2016

Xellos77 wrote: »

munkt0r wrote: »

I don't REALLY have an opinion, but it seems logical if costumes are purchased mounts are account wide...so should your training/riding skills.

But see, that's where the fine line exists between not ticking off your customers and keeping cash flow going. I cannot imagine the outcry if every cosmetic item and mount had to be purchased for EACH character. That would be an astronomically big mistake by ZOS. On the other hand, riding skill is something annoying, but not outright a slap in the face and overtly obvious cash grab.

You're right, and I probably shouldn't apply logic to marketing

Tandor · January 2016

No, I don't want account-wide mount skills. Indeed, I dislike anything being account-wide, I much prefer to develop my characters individually.

Xellos77 · January 2016

munkt0r wrote: »

Xellos77 wrote: »

munkt0r wrote: »

I don't REALLY have an opinion, but it seems logical if costumes are purchased mounts are account wide...so should your training/riding skills.

But see, that's where the fine line exists between not ticking off your customers and keeping cash flow going. I cannot imagine the outcry if every cosmetic item and mount had to be purchased for EACH character. That would be an astronomically big mistake by ZOS. On the other hand, riding skill is something annoying, but not outright a slap in the face and overtly obvious cash grab.

You're right, and I probably shouldn't apply logic to marketing

Sure you can. You just marry the two and dub it "marketing logic"

Sausage · January 2016

Teachable Mount Skills is simply the best way to go, it add sociality, friendship and player-interactivity, like Vamp/WW bites. Theres always gonna be anti-social loners who use Crown Store service too.

sirrmattus · January 2016

TheShadowScout wrote: »

This again...

I'll keep it short too, I guess...

NO!

Why are you so against this

DannyLV702 · January 2016

I really want this. I'm on my second character and it's a pain in the ass playing in Cyrodiil. Makes grinding seem more fun

sirrmattus · January 2016

It's so stupid that a lvl 3 character can outrun their horse

sirrmattus · January 2016

Horse speed should auto be 10x faster than run speed

Artjuh90 · January 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

eso-pedro wrote: »

That's what I meant....riding skill

180 days per character is more than a excessive, nobody wants to do that for every build

Maybe account wide is too far the other way, not sure how this could be settled so as was said earlier they probably wont do nothing haha

I dont think it makes immersion sense to make the account wide ( each toon has to learn how to ride individually). It also doesnt make sense business wise - since they make lots of money from it. The only thing I would change is not put a limit on it...for example if I wanted to fully upgrade my mount in 1 day I could, instead of spending 6 months doing it.

so the CP is immersive now

beter they make horse training weekly and increases stats by 10 by a time so it feels less annoying to have to logg in every day on every alt just for the horse.

Artjuh90 · January 2016

Sallington wrote: »

This is an idea that works for a subscription model, but not for a B2P/F2P with a cash store model.

they had that model when it was still sub based lol. it was only capped rofl

D0ntevenL1ft · January 2016

Rumba1 wrote: »

All 8 of my toons are at 60/60/60 in riding skills.
I did it. so can you. It just requires the discipline to go to the riding stable 1 time a day for each toon.

It is not my fault that you did not start 8 toons right away and begin leveling their riding from the get-go.

Basically you want to penalize me (by negating the time I spent), because it is too "hard" for you.

Sorry, NO!

Good argument: "I have it and i don't want other people to have it, so no". Didn't anyone teach you that sharing is caring?

nordsavage · January 2016

You are not training your mounts like before. What is being trained is your skill as a rider so technically sharing between alts would not fit the spirit of what the current model is. You can do what I always do and create and alt you do not plan to use yet and level its riding ahead of time to at least get some speed going.

Sallington · January 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

This is an idea that works for a subscription model, but not for a B2P/F2P with a cash store model.

they had that model when it was still sub based lol. it was only capped rofl

I know that, but they'd be more likely to implement an account-wide training system without selling training kits in the cash store.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · January 2016

I remember feeding 18-20 horses a day for the month or so before they merged riding skills. I am generally in support of making things account wide because I believe it encourages Alt play. That being said, this is pretty low on my priority list. Also (as stated), it wont happen because this is one of the few things in the crown store that actually impacts the game in a meaningful way. In other words, I bet they sell a lot of riding lessons.

Makkir · January 2016

Kammakazi wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

For one, this 'economy' needs the gold sinks.

Ah yes you mean, the Economy of the Void where gold you spend on NPCs goes nowhere?!!?

Yes, for a plethora of reasons. Simplest being the insane amount of money pouring into the economy added to the mix of BoP v16 gear and not a whole lot to spend that money on.

demendred · January 2016

It should, and I dare anyone with the gull to debate it.

TheShadowScout · January 2016

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Lol so my level 3 can do 25% more damage through champion points but his horse moves so slow its quicker to run by foot?

TheShadowScout wrote: »

ESo has more account-wide stuff then any other MMO I ever played, and is getting more with the final champion system. Thus asking for yet more without any consideration, and without even using the search function to see if maybe someone else had the idea already, is something I don't like to see...

Why ask when I already answered that one?
ESO -is- giving us more account wide stuff then any other game I played. In every other MMO I went through, there is NO account-wide progression, EVERYTHING has to be played for per character. Even the ones who have some "alternate advancement" system, they still let you rake that up -per character-.
ESO is "giving us a gift" in the champion system.
And those "gimme crowd" people I so dislike take that one gift and use it as excuse to make demands for having -everything- handed to them account wide...

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Also nobody wants to continuously "work for" things that they have done 2 or 3 times already on other accounts, and this is why people enjoy account wide benefits.

Eh... depends on the "work", really. Though i grant that the horse trianing isn't really anything work sort, more... a chore.
I can understand the -desire- to skip it.
But... you are saying, if you work to buy a new flatscreen TV for your bedroom, that should entitled you to getting flatscreen TVs for -every- room of your home, because you "already worked for it once"?
Sorry to tell you this, but... that's not the way it works.

Want something on an alt?
Work for it on that alt!

And be grateful for ZOS to make you work for duplicate things far, far less then other games do. Instead of feeling entitled to even more.

sirrmattus wrote: »

Why are you so against this

Maybe... read the other post where I go into details before posting?

sirrmattus wrote: »

Horse speed should auto be 10x faster than run speed

Oh? Rrrrrrreally?

How fast can a human being run? Hint - Fastest speed ever recorded was 45 km/h (27 mph), but that would be way beyond player character limits (not to mention, unencumbered, which our characters generally are not. Not that it figures into ESO sprinting anyhow...) Must runners would be averaging about 36 km/h (that'd be what, 22.5 mph for those metrically challenged?) for athletic sprinters for a short burst - that'd be the stamina-consuming sprint - maybe a bit less would seem applicable to our adventurer-lifestyle vestiges due to encumbrance and so on... let's call it a average top speed of 32 km/h or 20 mph?

How fast can a horse run?

You say... 320km/h? 200 mph?
Yeah, rrrriiiiight.

That would be a ferrari, not a horse. Just because former has latter as its trademark doesn't mean latter has formers speed. There is a reason ferrari engines are rated at 500+ horsepower, you know...

Wikipedia says:

All horses move naturally with four basic gaits: the four-beat walk, which averages 6.4 kilometres per hour (4.0 mph); the two-beat trot or jog at 13 to 19 kilometres per hour (8.1 to 11.8 mph) (faster for harness racing horses); the canter or lope, a three-beat gait that is 19 to 24 kilometres per hour (12 to 15 mph); and the gallop.[80] The gallop averages 40 to 48 kilometres per hour (25 to 30 mph), but the world record for a horse galloping over a short, sprint distance is 88 kilometres per hour (55 mph).

So, judging from that... a horse ought to be faster, but not that much faster then a running human. Say, starting at an additional 50% speed, and going up to over twice as fast for the maxed horse.
Though horses might come with a lot more stamina to sustain that speed, perhaps. (well, at least a lot more stamina then a bookworm mage huffing and puffing as he tries to keep setting one foot in front of the other afterr a while running - stamina builds I'd expect to be marathon-capable)
Some small boost to horse speed and sprinting stamina to start with, I'd consider a topic worth talking about.
Ferrarri-speed horses, nope.

Artjuh90 · January 2016

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Eh... depends on the "work", really. Though i grant that the horse trianing isn't really anything work sort, more... a chore.
I can understand the -desire- to skip it.
But... you are saying, if you work to buy a new flatscreen TV for your bedroom, that should entitled you to getting flatscreen TVs for -every- room of your home, because you "already worked for it once"?
Sorry to tell you this, but... that's not the way it works.

this might be the worst comparison made on the internet. and that's not an easy feat

Mojmir · January 2016

Easy fix,why cant the "lessons" progress as your character does? It fixes the immersion argument as well.the more your on your horse the faster the timer goes.

eso-pedro · January 2016

definitely lots of valid points from both sides of the fence, I understand someone who has alt's with max riding doesn't want anyone else to have that advantage without painstakingly logging in every day for it.....but I do not have the luxury of that free time............a speed buff for cyrodiil sounds like a good idea to me

Sunah · January 2016

MrDerrikk wrote: »

This won't happen simply because it'll make ZOS 8 times less money from mount upgrades in the crown store.

ZOS aint making no mount money off me. Ill slow gallop my happy ass to the stable everyday I can till I get it done. I would love to have account wide.

M_TeK_9 · January 2016

So...I join Haderus....My LEVEL 21 SORC is battle leveled....but his mount remains as slow as a damn turtle walking backwards?

No...battle level the mounts too. I've run across Cyrodil ENOUGH times to wanna blow my brains out when I mount my horse on my non-vet. Worst experience ever.