BabeestorGor wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

I stopped playing my female character. I'd get whispered out of no where a lot more often than my male ones did. I finally gave up playing her when some guy messaging me asking about my sex life. When I told him I was a dude he was like "Yeaah right". He shut up when I threatened to send him dik pics, so perhaps you could try that.

Hmmm, I have 8 feamle char

nimander99 wrote: »

Everyone's so serious about this, is there not an ignore/block player option? So what if someone is being a tool? Tis a fact of life, specially in mmo's (they've been here since the very start, anon ) Seems to me you can just jump to a different shrine and that's that if they are really annoying.

Sorry this became such a prob for the op but I personally think everyone takes everything way too seriously and has far to thin of skin these days... ya darn whipper snappers, try walking up hill to school both ways while being bullied by actual irl physical people

I do and I don't agree with this
Certainly nobody has managed to stop me playing or drive me from a zone but I don't see why I or anyone else should have to put up with ill-mannered brats, never mind the outright racists, sexists, homophobes etc who should just be banned
I think I'm going to start reporting more idiots rather than just ignoring them
Maybe if enough people do this the message will get through that such behaviour isn't acceptable and the game will be a pleasanter place for everyone

Well said, and please don't mistake my tendency to be sarcastic or tongue in cheek in posts like this as not caring, I do care! As this is my favorite game with what I believe to be one of the most mature communities in the mmo market today I want people to enjoy their experiences.

It's certainly bammer to have to ignore zone chat because of the absolutely terrible things said in it but there is a very fine line we walk here between free speech and censorship and as much as it pains me I will always fall on the side of letting people say whatever blather they want then reporting them just because my delicate sensibilities have been offended

I wish people would practice the Golden Rule more often and during regular play I truly think they do, it's just zone chat that these little 14 year old boys go to too say the most hurtful things they can all the while trying to one up each other.

I don't envy the job moderators of mmo's have, both in game and in forums. It's not easy to let people say what they want but also keep a good atmosphere. It's our job as reasonable people to overwhelm the garbage with sensible comments and posts and not feed the trolls. If people say hurtful things and see that it is bothering you then they are getting what they need, the need to make someone as miserable as they are. Best to just be ignored as if they don't even exist.

*Gets off soapbox*

Report, Ignore and continue what you were doing

This thread is unnecessary people thrive on attention, it's the internet I'm going to sound a little harsh but don't act like a baby and when they follow you around the quick method to get rid of that is quite simple. Use a Wayshrine and teleport out of the area and then take a break and do something, go back to what you were doing and then the person would be gone.

Do you really want to go through all this trouble and get someone banned for barely doing anything compared to what others are doing?

Easiest way would to be just ignore it and move on, don't act like you want to be bullied on the internet and show reactions

nimander99 wrote: »

BabeestorGor wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

I stopped playing my female character. I'd get whispered out of no where a lot more often than my male ones did. I finally gave up playing her when some guy messaging me asking about my sex life. When I told him I was a dude he was like "Yeaah right". He shut up when I threatened to send him dik pics, so perhaps you could try that.

Hmmm, I have 8 feamle char

nimander99 wrote: »

Everyone's so serious about this, is there not an ignore/block player option? So what if someone is being a tool? Tis a fact of life, specially in mmo's (they've been here since the very start, anon ) Seems to me you can just jump to a different shrine and that's that if they are really annoying.

Sorry this became such a prob for the op but I personally think everyone takes everything way too seriously and has far to thin of skin these days... ya darn whipper snappers, try walking up hill to school both ways while being bullied by actual irl physical people

I do and I don't agree with this
Certainly nobody has managed to stop me playing or drive me from a zone but I don't see why I or anyone else should have to put up with ill-mannered brats, never mind the outright racists, sexists, homophobes etc who should just be banned
I think I'm going to start reporting more idiots rather than just ignoring them
Maybe if enough people do this the message will get through that such behaviour isn't acceptable and the game will be a pleasanter place for everyone

Well said, and please don't mistake my tendency to be sarcastic or tongue in cheek in posts like this as not caring, I do care! As this is my favorite game with what I believe to be one of the most mature communities in the mmo market today I want people to enjoy their experiences.

It's certainly bammer to have to ignore zone chat because of the absolutely terrible things said in it but there is a very fine line we walk here between free speech and censorship and as much as it pains me I will always fall on the side of letting people say whatever blather they want then reporting them just because my delicate sensibilities have been offended

I wish people would practice the Golden Rule more often and during regular play I truly think they do, it's just zone chat that these little 14 year old boys go to too say the most hurtful things they can all the while trying to one up each other.

I don't envy the job moderators of mmo's have, both in game and in forums. It's not easy to let people say what they want but also keep a good atmosphere. It's our job as reasonable people to overwhelm the garbage with sensible comments and posts and not feed the trolls. If people say hurtful things and see that it is bothering you then they are getting what they need, the need to make someone as miserable as they are. Best to just be ignored as if they don't even exist.

*Gets off soapbox*

I'm going to have to trot out the old axiom of: Free speech does not mean freedom from the CONSEQUENCE of your speech. I am a die hard Libertarian who has been registered as an Independent voter since I turned 18 more years ago then we're going to discuss here and I say that. So I would like you to please consider the following scenario.

Let's say a player of this game, a woman, has actually been *** at some point in her life. I actually know a few such players because the sad fact is that women getting *** is actually a pretty common experience. Say she's at a roleplaying event in Sentinel. Now some player comes in while questing, sees the emotes going around and because they think roleplayers are a bunch of weirdos they have their character strip down, start dancing, and, oh yeah, the really charming part, they start typing in spatial about how their character is *** this female character, complete with graphic descriptions of violence, genitalia, moaning, more gutter words than you can shake a stick at and how his character is making her bleed with his huge *insert censored word for male anatomy here.* Do you think this woman would NOT be traumatized? GENUINELY distraught? Oh but wait, after she collects herself from the initial shock of his verbal assault she puts him on /ignore so she not longer has to see his sickening, gut wrenching words. Failing to get the reaction from her that he was hoping for, he now merges his character into hers and starts spamming every flashy and noisy ability in his arsenal, literally assaulting her ears and eyes if nothing else.

And your answer to her is, "Don't let it get to you and just leave?" What about the 20 to 40 other people who are also there to have a good time at this event? I guess they all just need to call a halt to what they are doing and leave as well. Perfectly logical solution. NOT. And yes, I have witnessed and been a victim of this EXACT scenario on MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. IN THIS GAME. Fortunately, I have never actually been *** in my life thanks to years of martial arts training and a propensity for carrying weaponry. And yes, I have badly hurt more than one excuse for a man over the years who put his hands on me without my permission. And quite frankly it makes me mad as hell that I can't use any of that on these wastes of flesh that infect this game like a bad STD.

But this whole ludicrous idea that the VICTIM of this type of nonsense is actually the one responsible for ending it by running away smacks to me of all the old *** advice to women. You know. "Don't go out alone." "Don't drink." "Don't wear short skirts." "Don't smile at strange men." All of that advice is wrong because it puts the blame and the responsibility on the VICTIM of *** rather than where it belongs, on the ***.

Everyone who plays this game signs a TOS that tells them very simply that this kind of behavior is not allowed. So there should be ZERO tolerance for this kind of behavior because everyone who plays this game has ALREADY AGREED NOT TO ENGAGE IN IT. So a SINGLE screenshotted instance of it should have them banned permanently. This is NOT a free speech issue. It is a contract issue and every single one of us has signed the contract. You don't like the contract? Don't sign it. Go play some other game.

And just in case you were unaware: Code of Conduct

And here, let me help you with the pertinent bit:

2.5 You may not harass, threaten, embarrass, or cause distress to another customer or guest using ZeniMax sites and Services. This includes but is not limited to verbal attacks, unwanted messaging, personal attacks, stalking or any other undesired behavior used to cause discomfort or disrupt another customer's experience. At all times users will refrain from attacking Age, Race, Disability, Sexual Orientation, National Origin, Pregnancy, Gender or any other protected category under Federal or Maryland State law.

There is no excuse for the kind of behavior being discussed in this thread that many of us are subjected to at least once any time we log in. There is even less excuse for ZOS not cracking down on it.

And lest you think this is a recent thing, take a look here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/669684-the-elder-scrolls-online/68590395
That posting is 2 years old. ZOS has ALWAYS known this was a problem and has displayed a pattern of ignoring it. It's really past time for that to end.

Ohmygod you guys keep debating morality/beliefs of some *** when you should be putting all that brainz effort towards a viable solution. Whatever you believe in is entirely inconsequential to what's happening out there, people gon be *** no matter what you think. Whatever victim blaming ***, all those beliefs and discussing them isn't going to help the problem. You've talked it to death by now and YOUR opinion isn't going to change the opinions of the world of players out there so posting all that stuff here on a game forum isn't doing a damn thing.

Self-policing game mechanic suggestions. Guild housing ideas. Group instancing for RPers. Ignore function ideas. Banning stipulations. ANYTHING. Put some heads together to figure out what the Devs may or may not have time to figure out. Once a solid idea is debated out and discussed logistically you can make a petition for it. Enough players get behind it, then the Devs should have to move on it. Players have done this in the past and on other games, it is a thing.

"Oh but the devs should have time for this >:C cuz I believe x,y,z or gimme my money back." You can debate that all you want but if they did it would have been done by now. Be a little more pragmatic if you actually care and want harassment to be dealt with. Devs are going to put getting out DLC and other business issues first before things like how people will always be jerks to each other.

Pitching an idea is far more useful to this situation than anything else you could be doing right now. One thing is for sure is that the devs don't have time to police thousands of players and some sort of self-policing mechanic/tool in-game is the only realistic option. Again, debate the right and wrong of that isn't going to make anything happen.

Sadly this is the internet and 80% of people will be like this for no apparent reason. What makes them get off is your responses, so best thing to do is ignore them and port somewhere else and get a snack or use the bathroom. Once you get back to that spot they should be gone.

Sunah wrote: »

Sadly this is the internet and 80% of people will be like this for no apparent reason. What makes them get off is your responses, so best thing to do is ignore them and port somewhere else and get a snack or use the bathroom. Once you get back to that spot they should be gone.

Sadly this is the internet and 80% of people have given up expecting civilised behaviour on it. Its up to us and ZOS.

Reporting has to be the starting point OP only way to clear the stalkers out.

I started my first female character (after 2 years of playing male characters needed something new for the last one). I was questing in my faction's second zone and had a squeaky teenager miss pronounce my PSN name and tell me in area chat that he was going to 'protect' me as I proceeded to burn mobs while he was still getting to them. After I finished laughing and wiping the tear away (I didn't have area chat on to save his pride) I just kept going but he continued to follow me and talk at me despite me declining a group invite. It was only mildly annoying but I certainly got the sense of how someone not respecting another's wishes re grouping and communicating could be harassing.

I hope you see it through OP although I don't think ZOS discuss punishment or actions taken so you may never hear from them.

MornaBaine wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

BabeestorGor wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

I stopped playing my female character. I'd get whispered out of no where a lot more often than my male ones did. I finally gave up playing her when some guy messaging me asking about my sex life. When I told him I was a dude he was like "Yeaah right". He shut up when I threatened to send him dik pics, so perhaps you could try that.

Hmmm, I have 8 feamle char

nimander99 wrote: »

Everyone's so serious about this, is there not an ignore/block player option? So what if someone is being a tool? Tis a fact of life, specially in mmo's (they've been here since the very start, anon ) Seems to me you can just jump to a different shrine and that's that if they are really annoying.

Sorry this became such a prob for the op but I personally think everyone takes everything way too seriously and has far to thin of skin these days... ya darn whipper snappers, try walking up hill to school both ways while being bullied by actual irl physical people

I do and I don't agree with this
Certainly nobody has managed to stop me playing or drive me from a zone but I don't see why I or anyone else should have to put up with ill-mannered brats, never mind the outright racists, sexists, homophobes etc who should just be banned
I think I'm going to start reporting more idiots rather than just ignoring them
Maybe if enough people do this the message will get through that such behaviour isn't acceptable and the game will be a pleasanter place for everyone

Well said, and please don't mistake my tendency to be sarcastic or tongue in cheek in posts like this as not caring, I do care! As this is my favorite game with what I believe to be one of the most mature communities in the mmo market today I want people to enjoy their experiences.

It's certainly bammer to have to ignore zone chat because of the absolutely terrible things said in it but there is a very fine line we walk here between free speech and censorship and as much as it pains me I will always fall on the side of letting people say whatever blather they want then reporting them just because my delicate sensibilities have been offended

I wish people would practice the Golden Rule more often and during regular play I truly think they do, it's just zone chat that these little 14 year old boys go to too say the most hurtful things they can all the while trying to one up each other.

I don't envy the job moderators of mmo's have, both in game and in forums. It's not easy to let people say what they want but also keep a good atmosphere. It's our job as reasonable people to overwhelm the garbage with sensible comments and posts and not feed the trolls. If people say hurtful things and see that it is bothering you then they are getting what they need, the need to make someone as miserable as they are. Best to just be ignored as if they don't even exist.

*Gets off soapbox*

I'm going to have to trot out the old axiom of: Free speech does not mean freedom from the CONSEQUENCE of your speech. I am a die hard Libertarian who has been registered as an Independent voter since I turned 18 more years ago then we're going to discuss here and I say that. So I would like you to please consider the following scenario.

Let's say a player of this game, a woman, has actually been *** at some point in her life. I actually know a few such players because the sad fact is that women getting *** is actually a pretty common experience. Say she's at a roleplaying event in Sentinel. Now some player comes in while questing, sees the emotes going around and because they think roleplayers are a bunch of weirdos they have their character strip down, start dancing, and, oh yeah, the really charming part, they start typing in spatial about how their character is *** this female character, complete with graphic descriptions of violence, genitalia, moaning, more gutter words than you can shake a stick at and how his character is making her bleed with his huge *insert censored word for male anatomy here.* Do you think this woman would NOT be traumatized? GENUINELY distraught? Oh but wait, after she collects herself from the initial shock of his verbal assault she puts him on /ignore so she not longer has to see his sickening, gut wrenching words. Failing to get the reaction from her that he was hoping for, he now merges his character into hers and starts spamming every flashy and noisy ability in his arsenal, literally assaulting her ears and eyes if nothing else.

And your answer to her is, "Don't let it get to you and just leave?" What about the 20 to 40 other people who are also there to have a good time at this event? I guess they all just need to call a halt to what they are doing and leave as well. Perfectly logical solution. NOT. And yes, I have witnessed and been a victim of this EXACT scenario on MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. IN THIS GAME. Fortunately, I have never actually been *** in my life thanks to years of martial arts training and a propensity for carrying weaponry. And yes, I have badly hurt more than one excuse for a man over the years who put his hands on me without my permission. And quite frankly it makes me mad as hell that I can't use any of that on these wastes of flesh that infect this game like a bad STD.

But this whole ludicrous idea that the VICTIM of this type of nonsense is actually the one responsible for ending it by running away smacks to me of all the old *** advice to women. You know. "Don't go out alone." "Don't drink." "Don't wear short skirts." "Don't smile at strange men." All of that advice is wrong because it puts the blame and the responsibility on the VICTIM of *** rather than where it belongs, on the ***.

Everyone who plays this game signs a TOS that tells them very simply that this kind of behavior is not allowed. So there should be ZERO tolerance for this kind of behavior because everyone who plays this game has ALREADY AGREED NOT TO ENGAGE IN IT. So a SINGLE screenshotted instance of it should have them banned permanently. This is NOT a free speech issue. It is a contract issue and every single one of us has signed the contract. You don't like the contract? Don't sign it. Go play some other game.

And just in case you were unaware: Code of Conduct

And here, let me help you with the pertinent bit:

2.5 You may not harass, threaten, embarrass, or cause distress to another customer or guest using ZeniMax sites and Services. This includes but is not limited to verbal attacks, unwanted messaging, personal attacks, stalking or any other undesired behavior used to cause discomfort or disrupt another customer's experience. At all times users will refrain from attacking Age, Race, Disability, Sexual Orientation, National Origin, Pregnancy, Gender or any other protected category under Federal or Maryland State law.

There is no excuse for the kind of behavior being discussed in this thread that many of us are subjected to at least once any time we log in. There is even less excuse for ZOS not cracking down on it.

And lest you think this is a recent thing, take a look here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/669684-the-elder-scrolls-online/68590395
That posting is 2 years old. ZOS has ALWAYS known this was a problem and has displayed a pattern of ignoring it. It's really past time for that to end.

First let me state emphatically that I also am a Libertarian, but how you managed to twist my words into victim blaming and a massive story about sexual assault I'll never know.

I haven't victim blamed at all, and now I urge you to actually read what I wrote.

If the harassment is against the ROC then report it for sure!

You can only be harmed by trolls and bullies and people online if you let them have power over you!

When I say err on the side of caution of free speech I DO NOT include in that speech of threats or suggestion of threats and all that entails.

I'll go back to my original point, if we, the people who do not act like jerks band together and not only ignore but actively work together as a community to ostracize those in the community acting horridly by completely ignoring them (and report away if what they are doing is against ZoS RoC) then we improve the atmosphere ourselves and do not have to rely solely on ZoS to be the police.

Its all about the Golden Rule.

These people doing these hurtful things will never stop unless they are completely ignored, so, unfortunately the onus is on the more mature party to ignore said horrid behavior which is not victim blaming. And I am ONLY speaking of interaction in the digital world, that's it! I am not at all speaking to anything irl.

And two people who agree with each other shouldn't be in contention with each other...