timidobserver wrote: »

It's not broke. It was banned on purpose to satisfy those that don't want you to know what their dps is.

If I play as dd, I stll know your dps, it is (boss hp - my total damage)/fight time. Only when I play as healer or tank, I don't know who does how much dps, so I can't tell which buffs are worth using.

If you've been following, there was a large thread about Group Damage. Here is one of Gina's replies.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Though there are good and bad things about this addon, we believe that using this type of addon isn’t in the spirit of our game and encourages spying on other players without their permission. Ultimately, we don’t want players being evaluated and discriminated against based on data they don’t know is being broadcast. You will still be able to use addons that show your own combat data if you so choose to, which you can share with others.

maxjapank wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

It's not broke. It was banned on purpose to satisfy those that don't want you to know what their dps is.

It was reverted to how ZOS always intended things to be. Please read Gina's statement again. I know you've read it, but you are not really reading it.

what statement?

Read the patch notes

lame as ***. people gona get kicked for no reason now.

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

It's not broke. It was banned on purpose to satisfy those that don't want you to know what their dps is.

If I play as dd, I stll know your dps, it is (boss hp - my total damage)/fight time. Only when I play as healer or tank, I don't know who does how much dps, so I can't tell which buffs are worth using.

This heavily depends on the tanks and healers dps.

If the tank and healer contribute around 10-15k dps and you add this the dps of the other DD it will usually look like he's legit no matter how low his dps is.

mrdaveqc wrote: »

It's stupide why should I go in white gold tower with someone who can barely do dps .... Well I get its for making me losing my time ( that's what some player already think and now they will just keep playing with there elite group to be sure they don't get someone who can't dps )

You mean why should you be grouped with new, inexperienced or not so good players right ?
They're someone else's problem.

And when the game is full of hardcore players...that treat all newcomers as ... not their problem..so no new players can play the game content and leave.
And when the lesser hardcore players are also not good enough and don't make it into the real hardcore group and they start to leave.
And when that hardcore content is made ever harder to satisfy the hardest of the hardcore to ensure it is actually only them that can complete the content anyway (L2P and git gud nub)...driving everyone away but those special players standing atop their very own ivory tower.

It will be a very lonely place you thrive in when ZOS shuts down the servers.
Never mind though. You can just jump to another game and rinse/repeat.

Rune_Relic wrote: »

mrdaveqc wrote: »

It's stupide why should I go in white gold tower with someone who can barely do dps .... Well I get its for making me losing my time ( that's what some player already think and now they will just keep playing with there elite group to be sure they don't get someone who can't dps )

You mean why should you be grouped with new, inexperienced or not so good players right ?
They're someone else's problem.

And when the game is full of hardcore players...that treat all newcomers as ... not their problem..so no new players can play the game content and leave.
And when the lesser hardcore players are also not good enough and don't make it into the real hardcore group and they start to leave.
And when that hardcore content is made ever harder to satisfy the hardest of the hardcore to ensure it is actually only them that can complete the content anyway (L2P and git gud nub)...driving everyone away but those special players standing atop their very own ivory tower.

It will be a very lonely place you thrive in when ZOS shuts down the servers.
Never mind though. You can just jump to another game and rinse/repeat.

first of all this game offers almost no if not no hard core content... secondly one should never depend on better players to teach them or carry them through.. its nice to help but dont expect it all the time... the good players also had to put in the time and learn the mechanics... WGT/ICP for example had to be learned.. but now 6 months later.. after having slow runs and learning runs you eventually reach the point where youve had enough learning runs and would like to go with people who know the fights and carry their weight... i dont think this is so irrational... i dont mind helping people but in the end its still my time and it has to be fun for me too...

I got good cause i couldnt do the content with my friends when we started. now i still run with the same group. we want to be able to compare our dps using multiple tools. zos ruined this for us. even my friends who have groupdamage cant see my dmg. i cant see theirs either

mrdaveqc wrote: »

It's stupide why should I go in white gold tower with someone who can barely do dps .... Well I get its for making me losing my time (that's what some player already think and now they will just keep playing with there elite group to be sure they don't get someone who can't dps )

it will be pretty apparent what your allies dps is like based on previous experience.

The only argument worthy of making is people that are struggling and blaming low DPS are going to kick someone either way after a wipe or two. This just draws it out.

and to be honest short of the guy wearing heavy armour and a sword and shield, you can drag low dps through WGT if you are good enough yourself. its only if you yourself are mediocre dps that it matters about your fellow Damage dealer.

sirrmattus wrote: »

its funny how they can quickly patch out stuff when its bothering whiners.
but they cant fix real issues in game?
its getting ridiculous
how long has khajit pasive been broken
templars bugs
dk bugs
fighter guild bugs
cmon man!!!!!!!!!

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Making a small tweak to the add-on API is quite simple compared to fixing bugged skills. That's why it happened so much more quickly. Also its not because of whiners that it changed, it was changed because it was unintended for the API to work in the fashion that it did.

@sirrmattus you can probably still use FTC addon, it has a function where the group members can choose to share their dps with other group members, and it's a requirement that they allow that function.

I haven't tested wether it works or not yet with this patch though.... I hope someone els here is faster than I am to report back on this

sirrmattus wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

No more spying on damage to kick random people because of elitist attitudes?

Shame . . .

maybe 1% do this. i dont kick people for low dps. i kick people for spamming snipe or shard throughout the whole dungeon. cmon man. im a healer, i put out 10-30k dps while healing. i can carry alot of pugs. i like to see how i stack up. now i see nothing

Don't get me wrong, I've had to disband a few random dungeon groups because either people didn't know their roles or because people were not getting through. But I didn't just randomly kick. We all discussed it, if someone doesn't know what they're doing I talked them through stuff to help with their builds, things like that. They ask for help, they get it. I do good DPS and am willing to share that. And have recently (in the last few days) optimised my Sorc even more.


The problem here with addons like this is that there will always be the percentage of players that will use this for elitism and that's just a bit sad. When it comes to newbies, no it absolutely isn't essential for someone to teach them how to optimise their DPS and build etcetera.

Much like how I'm glad this game doesn't have an inspect other player's gear option etc. Despite having all gold V16 sets and weapons.


But do remember that a little kindness does go a long way.

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

@sirrmattus you can probably still use FTC addon, it has a function where the group members can choose to share their dps with other group members, and it's a requirement that they allow that function.

I haven't tested wether it works or not yet with this patch though.... I hope someone els here is faster than I am to report back on this

I was running 3 diff dmg addons. They all on diff timers. And it was great for us. Now it's all ruined. Why do I keep subscribing to this massive pile of *** game?

sirrmattus wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

No more spying on damage to kick random people because of elitist attitudes?

Shame . . .

maybe 1% do this. i dont kick people for low dps. i kick people for spamming snipe or shard throughout the whole dungeon. cmon man. im a healer, i put out 10-30k dps while healing. i can carry alot of pugs. i like to see how i stack up. now i see nothing

Don't get me wrong, I've had to disband a few random dungeon groups because either people didn't know their roles or because people were not getting through. But I didn't just randomly kick. We all discussed it, if someone doesn't know what they're doing I talked them through stuff to help with their builds, things like that. They ask for help, they get it. I do good DPS and am willing to share that. And have recently (in the last few days) optimised my Sorc even more.


The problem here with addons like this is that there will always be the percentage of players that will use this for elitism and that's just a bit sad. When it comes to newbies, no it absolutely isn't essential for someone to teach them how to optimise their DPS and build etcetera.

Much like how I'm glad this game doesn't have an inspect other player's gear option etc. Despite having all gold V16 sets and weapons.


But do remember that a little kindness does go a long way.

I don't get this argument. Elite players play with pre formed groups. That's what makes them elite. They handpick their groip. Their on TS. They're not spamming chat in deshaan for a pug. Find a better argument

Actually I would say that you should find a better argument for promoting elitism.

I often do runs with guilds etc but sometimes like to do a PUG run as I've met some genuinely cool people in game that way.