Surprise Attack OP?

Gilvoth · January 2016

i have everything you just said and more, and i dont have numbers like that

Gilvoth · January 2016

mines about 5300 ish

leepalmer95 · January 2016

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

mines about 5300 ish

Whats your wpn dmg/stamina?

Gilvoth · January 2016

weapon damage is 3410 i think and stamina around 20,000

leepalmer95 · January 2016

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

weapon damage is 3410 i think and stamina around 20,000

Stamina is your problem, 20k is very low, can easily get 35k+ and on a nb can easy get 4k+ wpn dmg.

Gilvoth · January 2016

keep in mind, hes only gona get a shot off like that once in a while, thats not gona happen constant.
he can only hit like that from invis and in sneak.
you guys realize hes a glass build and probably take 1 hit to kill him.

leepalmer95 · January 2016

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

keep in mind, hes only gona get a shot off like that once in a while, thats not gona happen constant.
he can only hit like that from invis and in sneak.
you guys realize hes a glass build and probably take 1 hit to kill him.

My magicka nb has a 8k tooltip and he's v5.

Gilvoth · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

weapon damage is 3410 i think and stamina around 20,000

Stamina is your problem, 20k is very low, can easily get 35k+ and on a nb can easy get 4k+ wpn dmg.

thats because you need some health to survive fights.
i had the glass build your talking about and died on a constant basis. and was booted form groups in pve also too often.

leepalmer95 · January 2016

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

weapon damage is 3410 i think and stamina around 20,000

Stamina is your problem, 20k is very low, can easily get 35k+ and on a nb can easy get 4k+ wpn dmg.

thats because you need some health to survive fights.
i had the glass build your talking about and died on a constant basis. and was booted form groups in pve also too often.

My magicka nb also has 24k hp in pvp ^^

Gilvoth · January 2016

to get numbers like that you wont survive

leepalmer95 · January 2016

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

to get numbers like that you wont survive

You will...

What ever don't believe me it's not like i'm looking at my nb.

Gilvoth · January 2016

i remember people saying in guild chat that they were targetting the nightblades who had anything lower then 28000 hp.
kill them in 2 hits.
thats a glass magicka light armor trash build.
people eat you as a tasty morsel because your too weak.
yeah you hit hard but youll never make it inn fights unless you gank them on thier horse.
you cant stand toe to toe with people in a real fight.

leepalmer95 · January 2016

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i remember people saying in guild chat that they were targetting the nightblades who had anything lower then 28000 hp.
kill them in 2 hits.
thats a glass magicka light armor trash build.
people eat you as a tasty morsel because your too weak.
yeah you hit hard but youll never make it inn fights unless you gank them on thier horse.
you cant stand toe to toe with people in a real fight.

28k hp isn't glass cannon.

Yes you can a nb's defence is dodge roll and cloak, cloak literally makes them not hit you.

28k hp is what some tanks roll with.

20k-24k ~ is fine in pvp.

EsoRecon · January 2016

Nightblade is totally unbalanced. All of their attacks are instant cast and give huge buffs/debuffs. So unfair, as a stam sorc my only spamable dps skill is wrecking blow and ya it sucks. Especially when you go against NB in lag. Ya good luck ever hitting a wrecking blow with the lag and them *** NB's always using cloak.

Gilvoth · January 2016

EsoRecon wrote: »

Nightblade is totally unbalanced. All of their attacks are instant cast and give huge buffs/debuffs. So unfair, as a stam sorc my only spamable dps skill is wrecking blow and ya it sucks. Especially when you go against NB in lag. Ya good luck ever hitting a wrecking blow with the lag and them *** NB's always using cloak.

why not try actually playing a sorcerer with magicka instead of trying to be a stamina built magicka class?

Gilliamtherogue · January 2016

Really Alcast? You're better than this dude. At first glance it seems SA is way stronger than Jabs but once you actually think about it and break each one down, they're both pretty close in power. Please don't become like the rest of the fear mongers on these forums just to get your way. Someone has already mathematically broken down to show Jabs is a lot stronger than the small number listed on the tool tip, and also mentioned the fact that you also get burning light procs from each, and let's not forget the reason stamplars were OP in 1.6; camo able to proc each hit. There's way more going on behind the scenes than you suggest to in your thread, but nice bait m8.

nordickittyhawk · January 2016

EsoRecon wrote: »

Nightblade is totally unbalanced. All of their attacks are instant cast and give huge buffs/debuffs. So unfair, as a stam sorc my only spamable dps skill is wrecking blow and ya it sucks. Especially when you go against NB in lag. Ya good luck ever hitting a wrecking blow with the lag and them *** NB's always using cloak.

We are talking about pve n pvp. not just pvp, and attacks oh no our... 1 stam primary dps. OHHH NOOOO!. if u want nerf it then every other class spammable should be crap too then. its called class diversity. -.- dont like it? go play game like COD

EsoRecon · January 2016

@dwemer_paleologist Because this is elder scrolls and I want to play how I want bruh.

nordickittyhawk · January 2016

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Really Alcast? You're better than this dude. At first glance it seems SA is way stronger than Jabs but once you actually think about it and break each one down, they're both pretty close in power. Please don't become like the rest of the fear mongers on these forums just to get your way. Someone has already mathematically broken down to show Jabs is a lot stronger than the small number listed on the tool tip, and also mentioned the fact that you also get burning light procs from each, and let's not forget the reason stamplars were OP in 1.6; camo able to proc each hit. There's way more going on behind the scenes than you suggest to in your thread, but nice bait m8.

*clap clap clap*

EsoRecon · January 2016

@nordickittyhawk go play stam sorc in pvp and say what you just said again. And honestly zos doesn't have to nerf SA, as long as they give my stam sorc something equivalent.

nordickittyhawk · January 2016

EsoRecon wrote: »

@nordickittyhawk go play stam sorc in pvp and say what you just said again. And honestly zos doesn't have to nerf SA, as long as they give my stam sorc something equivalent.

stam sorcs are fine .-. ever seen fengrush play? no one even tries stam sorc cause magic shield stacking.

Ahzek · January 2016

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i remember people saying in guild chat that they were targetting the nightblades who had anything lower then 28000 hp.
kill them in 2 hits.
thats a glass magicka light armor trash build.
people eat you as a tasty morsel because your too weak.
yeah you hit hard but youll never make it inn fights unless you gank them on thier horse.
you cant stand toe to toe with people in a real fight.

Actually 28k HP is overkill for any build except tanky/bruiser style gameplay.
Every class can survive just about any 1v1 encounter with 25k HP max, if they are played well.
Most off the time you will see especially sorcs and some nightblades even go below the 20k mark since their class defenses (cloak and shields) dont need health to work with.
Another thing to consider is that "toe to toe with people" ( I assume you mean solo fights/duels here) offensive power directly translates to defensive power. If you have your 28k HP opponent constantly defending and healing up you wont run a risk off dieing either, and when your enemy tries to push back you can simply punish with a nice cloak SA.
Against multiple opponents that is even more the case since you need to take out enemies quickly to prevent being overwhelmed. And if you actually meant group fights you wont need that much Hp either since your healers will be covering for you and barriers and healing ward just dont care much about your max HP.

By the way, I believe one off the biggest reasons to play (any) NB is because they are thw best counter against axeploiting stamina DKs with reverb, which are probably the strongest solo specc (for fighting not running)in the entire game right now.
Edit: Interestingly NB is also the best counter to NB if they slot mark.

EsoRecon · January 2016

stam sorcs are fine .-. ever seen fengrush play? no one even tries stam sorc cause magic shield stacking.[/quote]

Lol ok so for a class to be good you gotta be the top 1% of players. Bro your crazy Fengrush can be good with any class/build horrible example.

leepalmer95 · January 2016

Oh i've just remembered

So it's clear jabs is weaker, despite jabs being a 1.1s channel and SA being instant.

nordickittyhawk · January 2016

EsoRecon wrote: »

stam sorcs are fine .-. ever seen fengrush play? no one even tries stam sorc cause magic shield stacking.

Lol ok so for a class to be good you gotta be the top 1% of players. Bro your crazy Fengrush can be good with any class/build horrible example.[/quote]

maybe your just playing it wrong. i have plenty of stam sorcs in my guild all saying postive things.. so it could be a personal issue for you.

EsoRecon · January 2016

@nordickittyhawk
Lol I'm definitely not playing it wrong. Without being scaled to v 15 in cyrodill I have buffed 30k stam 15k health 2700 wep dmg and 60% crit. BTW I'm vr 7...
Oh ya and my regen is 1800 so stop talking "maybe ur just playing it wrong"

nordickittyhawk · January 2016

2700.... on a stam sorc. buffed. and your vet 7 no wonder your not doing as good.

Ahzek · January 2016

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

EsoRecon wrote: »

@nordickittyhawk go play stam sorc in pvp and say what you just said again. And honestly zos doesn't have to nerf SA, as long as they give my stam sorc something equivalent.

stam sorcs are fine .-. ever seen fengrush play? no one even tries stam sorc cause magic shield stacking.

Playing a stam sorc myself i would agree with you here if it werent for the case that most stam sorcs arent actually stam sorcs, but instead the proof of how strong the 2H skills are.
Pigenholed to healing (surge rally vigor) they are incredibly vulnerable to the more and more popular reverberating bashes, as well as hardly standing a chance against blocking enemies (or both) as well as magicka sorcs. On top of that cloak just counters uppercut straigt up.

Just about all stam sorcs (like most stamplars) rely on uppercut to kill anyone and thus every fight is a dance to hit the enemy, while all other builds except magplars have easily applied damage through instant cast spells. This is not an issue if you are better than you opponent, but if you are even you are at an inherent disadvantage against those builds.

Also *** axeploiters for screwing the actual balance towards the builds that can utilize it the most (cough cough stam Dks).

EsoRecon · January 2016

@nordickittyhawk
Lol ok you have never played this game I'm done talking to nubs BYE FORUMS

lolo_01b16_ESO · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jabs doesn't work on shields either, and how many times are you realistically going to hit all 4 jabs on a half decent player?

Your lucky if you hit them 2/3 times at most. You actually have to aim jabs.

Jabs doesn't work on shields, but if were going to include passive, SA gives the user 5.2k armour on use as well.

Plus all nb's have high crit which high crit dmg. 50%+ is the min but usually i see people with 70% with 180%~ crit dmg.

Thats were SA suddenly starts doing stupid dmg.

Plus the first SA will be empowered usually. If ambushed in or the HA/SA from stealth weave will kill someone or take them to 25% hp.

Looks balanced to me.... <
( Sarcasm)

Check your passives again and you'll realize that Templars and NBs have the same buff to crit damage.