ZOS, can you listen to people that PvP daily?
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eventide03b14a_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭sirrmattus wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »medieval_TOG wrote: »I once got a program to display "hello world" on a computer screen, how hard can it be to create a MMORPG?
So why isn't PvP fixed?
Logic, it eludes some people.
Perhaps...But I think the difference is this is ZOS' game. They wrote the engine, it's their code. Why would they create something like an MMO that they cannot easily troubleshoot? They literally have no idea what is causing the lag. Everytime they speculate as to what it might be, it turns out to be untrue. I guess I should give them credit for trying but c'mon a year of beta and then nearly two years later and it's just as bad as it's ever been.
Did they really intend on 20-40 people to occupy a space of 5 square feet and move in a tight ball? That's not even logical, not just from a military perspective, but just from sheer physics. And within this group you have people shooting fire and other projectiles, which only hurts enemies for some reason, and if anyone hits that group it can only hit up to 6 of them because ZOS.
We can probably think of several ways to penalize large groups that do this, but for some reason ZOS is either unable or unwilling to do it. Magicka detonation is pretty useful but it's at the end of the line so many people give up before they even unlock. We need more spells like that. Spells that do more damage the more people that are hit by it.
GROUP CAPS WILL FIX THIS!! CAP THEM AT 8!!
you cant STACK ON CROWN, if you cant see the crown
I'm not really sure that's a good solution. Maybe something less drastic. I believe that removing AoE caps and having each person take the full amount of damage might go a long way towards helping to break up the zergs.Edited by eventide03b14a_ESO on January 22, 2016 2:33PM:trollin:0 -
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✭✭✭✭sirrmattus wrote: »@FENGRUSH
Do you use wb because its bugged or because its your only source of a strong hit? Myself, I decline to use the skill, I go s&b for the challenge.
I watched the video you posted yesterday afternoon in this thread, and noticed how often you hit people through stairs and around corners with your wb. Once saw you crit rush a guy in mid air.
Id like to know is this intentional exploit or is it just all you have? Not cool
I use 2 hander because crit rush is a gauranteed crit by design. WB is the DPS skill in the line - but crit rush synergizes with crit surge healing for stam sorc. S+B is about on the same level with 2 hander. 2hander has better burst - but is more easily avoided. S+B puts out high steady DPS, just not in the same burst window as 2 hander has with an execute in the line. As far as exploiting, I have no idea at all what youre talking about.TayDibiase wrote: »Zos already knows whats up. Pvpers are a whiny bunch. No matter what changes they make, no matter how good they are. You know what? There are going to be large pockets of pvpers that are gonna complain. Not to mention most dont care if the changes they make ruin pve builds even. God you guys make me laugh.
PVE is pretty easy - but still, Ive remarked plenty on PVE impacts from PVP changes.. so have a lot of others who have done even more like @Alcast . A high skilled PVPer that makes countless posts and finds bugs that directly impact PVE. This is just a misguided post really.Yeah, I support OP. Listen to all these guys. Except Fengrush, he wants to nerf Templars. Don't listen to that.
This isnt true at all. If you hear me complain about a guy getting BOL and think that means I want it to be nerfed, thats on you. Ive actually done a small rant on healing, but I didnt cut or post it because it would just cause more infighting. I think healing overall is an issue with the reduction in damage in healing. It shows how powerful the champion system plays when you factor in reduced cost, higher regen, higher healing output, and higher healing received. You have a lot more endless healing. It goes the same way on stam builds needing to be cut back on resources. I specifically mentioned not nerfing BOL or heals, but addressing issues in how combat has essentially stayed the same.. burst to kill. I prefer longer fights rather than NEEDING to burst because healing is as strong as it is. Youd probably be shocked to hear I want vigor nerfed heavily in there too for balance.
People draw a lot of negative assumptions from hearing one thing on stream - you cant really draw conclusions on where the streamer stands based on that though.
Maybe we're getting old, but I'll never understand the appeal of watching someone else play a game on YouTube, and these people actually get PAID for this?! Bugger me.
Isn't it kinda the same as watching other people do sports? At least that's how I feel about it.
I can understand your argument, it's a good one, my statement was more directed to people who watch these small streamers on YouTube, not the big League of Legend tournos and whatnot. I can kinda see the appeal of the big money and glitz and lights side of things, I can see how that can appeal to teenagers, although it doesn't appeal to me personally.
If I used your comparison watching the YouTube streamers would be the equivalent of going down to the park and watching a bunch of hacks kick a ball around. I mean why would I when I can take my own ball and boot it around?
Twitch offers a lot of competitive streaming that is more informational, but there is a lot of people who tune in for the entertainment and community of it as well.Is this asking too much? King Richard, Fengrush, sypher, Lefty_Lucy have basically laid out how to fix this games pvp and make it more enjoyable for everyone. Can these items be implemented? You can find them in the We Are ESO broadcast, among other outlets, can you please just listen to them?
Don't get me wrong they're pretty knowledgeable in some areas of the game, I just don't think ZOS should automatically do everything those guys agree on, especially when it comes to the Templar class, because none of the have any experience with it. All they see is Breath of Life spam, get annoyed, and then rant on their stream without wanting to discuss it in detail with their viewers. Fengrush is a main offender here.
So yea - like the other post above. I dont advocate for nerfing templars or BOL. People suggest penalizing successive casts for example and I strongly disagree with these suggestions. I focus the issue on healing as a total. Consider in 1.6 how quickly you could kill someone who didnt properly defend themselves. The burst window was way too high. Sure, this benefited me for my stam sorc, but the balance wasnt good nor the gameplay approach very entertaining. They went with reduced damage and reduced healing - this made bursting not as easy (but its not far off from 1.6 anymore given new gear setups).
Problem now (in my opinion) is people can be knocked down and not even CC break while giving them pretty much everything youve got on single target DPS. The healing potential is through the roof (champion system issues listed above) and theres a huge amount of forgiveness - but more importantly, no real way to stop or get around it. Even factoring in major defile really only negates portions of the healing burst, but healing burst outweighs damage burst in most cases unless they are dying in a single burst rotation.
I prefer to have a system where they get damage/healing reductions in cyro more appropriate, and balance skills accordingly. Fights should be more back and forth, and using skills, blocking - have more purpose. Gearing the game towards burst and numbers has made it a lot less fun. Bring more utility, skill changes. The lack of changes and balance in skills is the biggest issue with the game from a combat perspective. Changes take long, there are often glaring offenders in balance causing huge rerolls with FOTM styles that last the entire 4 months until the next patch where it happens again because they make wide sweeping changes instead of gradual balance changes to approach a goal.
Nobody knows what that goal is, its not communicated and the changes dont seem to be in line with doing anything other than fixing whatever complaints are most often heard on the forums. Id say the game in terms of PVP and balance has declined since 1.6, and thats a problem for the health of the game. The worst issue is having 900 ping in cyro during primetime, and will turn new players away from ever wanting to go back there.2 -
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✭✭✭✭sirrmattus wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »medieval_TOG wrote: »I once got a program to display "hello world" on a computer screen, how hard can it be to create a MMORPG?
So why isn't PvP fixed?
Logic, it eludes some people.
Perhaps...But I think the difference is this is ZOS' game. They wrote the engine, it's their code. Why would they create something like an MMO that they cannot easily troubleshoot? They literally have no idea what is causing the lag. Everytime they speculate as to what it might be, it turns out to be untrue. I guess I should give them credit for trying but c'mon a year of beta and then nearly two years later and it's just as bad as it's ever been.
Did they really intend on 20-40 people to occupy a space of 5 square feet and move in a tight ball? That's not even logical, not just from a military perspective, but just from sheer physics. And within this group you have people shooting fire and other projectiles, which only hurts enemies for some reason, and if anyone hits that group it can only hit up to 6 of them because ZOS.
We can probably think of several ways to penalize large groups that do this, but for some reason ZOS is either unable or unwilling to do it. Magicka detonation is pretty useful but it's at the end of the line so many people give up before they even unlock. We need more spells like that. Spells that do more damage the more people that are hit by it.
GROUP CAPS WILL FIX THIS!! CAP THEM AT 8!!
you cant STACK ON CROWN, if you cant see the crown
This wont fix the issue at all if nothing else changed. People will have no problems stacking multiple groups of 8. The positions are simple, and theyre already used to moving in a large group. There are a couple guilds that run 2 full raids during primetime. They can and do stack together just fine as 2 groups of 24. There are changes coming, but without AOE caps being changed, people will always stack for free mitigation and easy healing.3 -
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✭sirrmattus wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »medieval_TOG wrote: »I once got a program to display "hello world" on a computer screen, how hard can it be to create a MMORPG?
So why isn't PvP fixed?
Logic, it eludes some people.
Perhaps...But I think the difference is this is ZOS' game. They wrote the engine, it's their code. Why would they create something like an MMO that they cannot easily troubleshoot? They literally have no idea what is causing the lag. Everytime they speculate as to what it might be, it turns out to be untrue. I guess I should give them credit for trying but c'mon a year of beta and then nearly two years later and it's just as bad as it's ever been.
Did they really intend on 20-40 people to occupy a space of 5 square feet and move in a tight ball? That's not even logical, not just from a military perspective, but just from sheer physics. And within this group you have people shooting fire and other projectiles, which only hurts enemies for some reason, and if anyone hits that group it can only hit up to 6 of them because ZOS.
We can probably think of several ways to penalize large groups that do this, but for some reason ZOS is either unable or unwilling to do it. Magicka detonation is pretty useful but it's at the end of the line so many people give up before they even unlock. We need more spells like that. Spells that do more damage the more people that are hit by it.
GROUP CAPS WILL FIX THIS!! CAP THEM AT 8!!
you cant STACK ON CROWN, if you cant see the crown
Looking at all your messages im delighted to meet someone Z. listens to. Sad that you dont know what you are talking about but still... delighted.0 -
sirrmattus✭✭✭✭✭@FENGRUSH
I guess that makes sense if they are well organized raid, which yo me may be fine. But it make it harder for random pugs to group.
You mention s&b being almost as powerful as 2h. Do you mind elaborating? I just recently rolled a dk and trying to stick to s&b for pvp but finding it hard to finish off people with the lack of an execute. 2nd wpn is bow bit is open for change.Ebonheart Pact - North American Server
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✭✭✭✭sirrmattus wrote: »@FENGRUSH
I guess that makes sense if they are well organized raid, which yo me may be fine. But it make it harder for random pugs to group.
You mention s&b being almost as powerful as 2h. Do you mind elaborating? I just recently rolled a dk and trying to stick to s&b for pvp but finding it hard to finish off people with the lack of an execute. 2nd wpn is bow bit is open for change.
Id totally recommend S+B for DK over 2hander or in conjunction with it. To use it and get the same level of damage as 2hander, you need to weave a lot basically. And even if you dont weave it perfectly, its still really good. light attack+ransack+bash. This is like a 3 hit instant combo making S+B used heavily in duels. The reason DKs make good use of 2hander in conjunction with it is that they can switch to WB for the CC + leap (+exec) for a closer after applying pressure.
S+B allows you to block quite a bit easier if needed, which you will find yourself doing more on a DK than a stam sorc. My next build video will probably be a duel build. Im not a big fan of dueling but people want it so Im working on getting the money for gear and then Ill make it. It will feature this combo for S+B combo (and probably be the first build I dont have 2hander with). Reason being - 2hander is very easily avoided by players if they know what theyre doing with the skill. S+B combo cannot be avoided, all of the attacks are instant, they either hit or the target was out of range/dodged anyway. I can go a full minute straight fighting a NB and never WB him once. Mainly because their regen is very high and they can roll then hide combo endlessly through the fight and apply CCs nonstop.2 -
Dark_Aether✭✭✭✭Aren't most/all of those people solo players? I'd rather see them plus several prominent small-group leads, plus several top-tier guild leads, plus a couple of pug wranglers for good measure weighing in. If you only have one type of player explaining their needs then you'd get a skewed representation that completely fails to capture the glorious diversity of combat in Cyrodiil.
True but, where are these small group leads and top tier guild leads and pug wranglers? Where is their podcast? Why haven't they spoken up? Probably because Cyrodiil is 300% better when you are running in full groups all the time. Their issues are few and far between compared to someone who wants to do more than follow a crown and mash buttons.
I don't get people. It is obvious that they complete forget Cyrodiil was designed to be a Warzone, not an arena. While you got to enjoy it small scale/solo, it's nice and the devs understand that and working on a place where you can do just that.
Cyrodiil was meant to be a place where large groups clash, where skilled players can take command and lead their group/faction to victory. Take a close look at the Alliance War skills, there is a reason why they are all support or aoe skills. The zerg is not the problem, the lag it creates is; that's what the devs need to fix. 30 vs 30 should be welcomed in Cyrodill with a smooth gameplay.
Those streamers, while I enjoy the way they play at times, do nothing for the war and only play to show their skills on stream going solo. I'm happy they will get the battlegrounds they demand, but the devs should not listen to them and take away what Cyrodiil has.
But please ZOS, for the love of God, FIX THE LAG!!!!3 -
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✭✭✭✭sirrmattus wrote: »
Yes it will be on the stam sorc.Supersnake_Lx wrote: »Aren't most/all of those people solo players? I'd rather see them plus several prominent small-group leads, plus several top-tier guild leads, plus a couple of pug wranglers for good measure weighing in. If you only have one type of player explaining their needs then you'd get a skewed representation that completely fails to capture the glorious diversity of combat in Cyrodiil.
True but, where are these small group leads and top tier guild leads and pug wranglers? Where is their podcast? Why haven't they spoken up? Probably because Cyrodiil is 300% better when you are running in full groups all the time. Their issues are few and far between compared to someone who wants to do more than follow a crown and mash buttons.
I don't get people. It is obvious that they complete forget Cyrodiil was designed to be a Warzone, not an arena. While you got to enjoy it small scale/solo, it's nice and the devs understand that and working on a place where you can do just that.
Cyrodiil was meant to be a place where large groups clash, where skilled players can take command and lead their group/faction to victory. Take a close look at the Alliance War skills, there is a reason why they are all support or aoe skills. The zerg is not the problem, the lag it creates is; that's what the devs need to fix. 30 vs 30 should be welcomed in Cyrodill with a smooth gameplay.
Those streamers, while I enjoy the way they play at times, do nothing for the war and only play to show their skills on stream going solo. I'm happy they will get the battlegrounds they demand, but the devs should not listen to them and take away what Cyrodiil has.
But please ZOS, for the love of God, FIX THE LAG!!!!
I agree that cyro is meant for large scale PvP - entirely in fact. I dont expect to fight those full raids alone either. Im more often than not in groups so - Im not sure why youd say we all dont do group play. I had always led a 4-8 man group through release and early game. Everyone from my group has since quit the game largely due to AOE caps and performance problems... so again, with you on that one.
Here's a clip of PvP from a couple weeks ago fighting large scale PvP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI5x_Qy2uds 1 -
sirrmattus✭✭✭✭✭Stacking on crown just shouldn't be the f'n Meta. Soo annoying. So lame.Ebonheart Pact - North American Server
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Dark_Aether✭✭✭✭sirrmattus wrote: »
Yes it will be on the stam sorc.Supersnake_Lx wrote: »Aren't most/all of those people solo players? I'd rather see them plus several prominent small-group leads, plus several top-tier guild leads, plus a couple of pug wranglers for good measure weighing in. If you only have one type of player explaining their needs then you'd get a skewed representation that completely fails to capture the glorious diversity of combat in Cyrodiil.
True but, where are these small group leads and top tier guild leads and pug wranglers? Where is their podcast? Why haven't they spoken up? Probably because Cyrodiil is 300% better when you are running in full groups all the time. Their issues are few and far between compared to someone who wants to do more than follow a crown and mash buttons.
I don't get people. It is obvious that they complete forget Cyrodiil was designed to be a Warzone, not an arena. While you got to enjoy it small scale/solo, it's nice and the devs understand that and working on a place where you can do just that.
Cyrodiil was meant to be a place where large groups clash, where skilled players can take command and lead their group/faction to victory. Take a close look at the Alliance War skills, there is a reason why they are all support or aoe skills. The zerg is not the problem, the lag it creates is; that's what the devs need to fix. 30 vs 30 should be welcomed in Cyrodill with a smooth gameplay.
Those streamers, while I enjoy the way they play at times, do nothing for the war and only play to show their skills on stream going solo. I'm happy they will get the battlegrounds they demand, but the devs should not listen to them and take away what Cyrodiil has.
But please ZOS, for the love of God, FIX THE LAG!!!!
I agree that cyro is meant for large scale PvP - entirely in fact. I dont expect to fight those full raids alone either. Im more often than not in groups so - Im not sure why youd say we all dont do group play. I had always led a 4-8 man group through release and early game. Everyone from my group has since quit the game largely due to AOE caps and performance problems... so again, with you on that one.
Here's a clip of PvP from a couple weeks ago fighting large scale PvP:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI5x_Qy2uds
My point may not apply to everyone and I'm happy you can prove that for yourself, but it still does for others.
Playing solo/small scale is not a problem, if you have the skill for it you should. My point is, solo players should not expect Cyrodiil to change in favor of small scale.0 -
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✭Ok, my 2 cents with some defending and tearing people down. I apologize I can't read through all of this on every single point, but here are a few:
1. ZOS does listen. I don't know how many times I say it, but the comments made on the forums after a podcast are listened to. The issues are that they don't immediately respond to these requests. You may see changes down the road in a patch, a DLC, or something else, but by then folks forgot about it.
The only time I see this broken is when enough people get behind something and either ZOS will mention it or they will reshuffle their priorities. We saw this with champion point conversion, housing, barbershops, battlegrounds, and text on console. Some took longer than others for them to get some response on, but it happens.
2. A lot of streamers are more talk & no bite - sorry I need to call out a lot but I hear ideas put forth on stream but no posts made on the forums in a lot of streams. @FENGRUSH I probably see the most active on the forums, with a steady message on removing AOE caps and dynamic ultimate regen, but others (looking at you @Sypher ) will have interesting ideas, never post it here, and ask why ZOS won't listen. ZOS is a company, and they don't have time to watch through every game stream out there and pay attention to the one off comment that you made for 10 seconds in a 6 hour stream. I urge anyone with ideas to get them on the forums. Make a tweet about it as well, given the fan base some streamers have we could see some immediate response as I mentioned in 1.
3. Some ideas are self serving to the streamer and bad for the community - While some ideas are interesting, recognize that some of them are actually pretty bad and only suit the streamer's playstyle. I can agree with giving certain zerg busting abilities that allow small groups a chance over bomb groups. I do not agree we're going in the right direction if the 1.4 DK 1 v 20 builds were the pinnacle of PVP and should be brought back. I also do not agree with some wanting to boost up the damage or demanding more burst abilities/sets. We have a serious power creep issue as it is. I understand why we want some of this, it looks good on stream when a supposed underdog takes on multiple people and wins, but it's not good for the state of the game when that becomes the required meta to be successful in PVP.
4. If anyone wants to talk to ZOS you can, just be respectful my final point is that ZOS will talk with anyone, podcast, stream, guild, or others; if you contact them (community@elderscrollsonline.com). If you want to interview them you may need to send your questions in first, understand they may need to check on specifics. They may also refuse to answer certain things if they are developing something or its too inflammatory; this isn't Jerry Springer or a Senate debriefing, they are taking time out of their personal lives or development time to help with this. @ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_KaiSchober, or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom can probably give more infoEdited by HeroOfNone on January 22, 2016 4:10PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭Supersnake_Lx wrote: »sirrmattus wrote: »
Yes it will be on the stam sorc.Supersnake_Lx wrote: »Aren't most/all of those people solo players? I'd rather see them plus several prominent small-group leads, plus several top-tier guild leads, plus a couple of pug wranglers for good measure weighing in. If you only have one type of player explaining their needs then you'd get a skewed representation that completely fails to capture the glorious diversity of combat in Cyrodiil.
True but, where are these small group leads and top tier guild leads and pug wranglers? Where is their podcast? Why haven't they spoken up? Probably because Cyrodiil is 300% better when you are running in full groups all the time. Their issues are few and far between compared to someone who wants to do more than follow a crown and mash buttons.
I don't get people. It is obvious that they complete forget Cyrodiil was designed to be a Warzone, not an arena. While you got to enjoy it small scale/solo, it's nice and the devs understand that and working on a place where you can do just that.
Cyrodiil was meant to be a place where large groups clash, where skilled players can take command and lead their group/faction to victory. Take a close look at the Alliance War skills, there is a reason why they are all support or aoe skills. The zerg is not the problem, the lag it creates is; that's what the devs need to fix. 30 vs 30 should be welcomed in Cyrodill with a smooth gameplay.
Those streamers, while I enjoy the way they play at times, do nothing for the war and only play to show their skills on stream going solo. I'm happy they will get the battlegrounds they demand, but the devs should not listen to them and take away what Cyrodiil has.
But please ZOS, for the love of God, FIX THE LAG!!!!
I agree that cyro is meant for large scale PvP - entirely in fact. I dont expect to fight those full raids alone either. Im more often than not in groups so - Im not sure why youd say we all dont do group play. I had always led a 4-8 man group through release and early game. Everyone from my group has since quit the game largely due to AOE caps and performance problems... so again, with you on that one.
Here's a clip of PvP from a couple weeks ago fighting large scale PvP:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI5x_Qy2uds
My point may not apply to everyone and I'm happy you can prove that for yourself, but it still does for others.
Playing solo/small scale is not a problem, if you have the skill for it you should. My point is, solo players should not expect Cyrodiil to change in favor of small scale.
Yep - thats what IC should have been for. Hopefully the changes they have planned for it will deliver that. IC has a lot of potential, great environment, lackluster/unfinished content.0 -
Snowgoons✭✭✭✭@FENGRUSH @Sypher @kingrichard @Lefty_Lucy
All I wanna say is thank you for your work, and big thanks to Fengrush for coming in here and explaining this a lot better than I could, honestly you can at least know some players out there appreciate your work.
@Everyone
That's not "hero worship" that's literally the truth, how can you guys talk this much smack if Fengrush alone is taking time to explain it all yet again?
I know for a fact several people here being negative go to these guys youtube and streams to better their characters with information found through these streamers, so why the hate?
I didn't mean for this to be PvE vs PvP it doesn't matter how many people play either, bottom line is PvP needs to be addressed and these streamers have spent time helping address it. No one says it should be ONLY changes that benefit small man, and these changes make the game as a whole more skillful imo.
I feel we have another case of people just wanting to bash other people regardless of how logical that person is being on these forums.
Sigh.Edited by Snowgoons on January 22, 2016 4:13PMRollin' round Tamriel on that skooma wasted like a failed Grand Theft Auto mission.5 -
Anilahation✭✭✭✭✭Hate to be against the community but if Dota 2 or League balanced there game on all the bronze players opinions(60% of playerbase) those games would be horribly balanced.
Want an example of a game balanced on the bottom tier players, WoW and that's game PvP is horrible and homogenized now.
Listen to Sypher and Lefty.
This game needs duels and arenas.4 -
CtrlAltDlt✭✭✭What the streamers say/complain about:
Lag - who likes lag?
Aoe caps - many pvpers want this gone for obvious reasons that I wont reiterate here. Not just the streamers.
Small scale - many pvpers want it. If you dont, then don't participate in it. What's the problem? If anything, this will add variety to the game which could attract more players to the game hence more $ for ZOS. Me personally I could careless because if there wasn't aoe caps or lag in cyradil, that's where I would be. On top of that, Add pvp incentive to IC and most of us would be happy.
Why should ZOS not listen to these things? They are beneficial to the game.
As for some of the baseless hatred shown here towards the streamers, you're pathetic
PC NA - jeazzy
stamblade outnumbered pvp vol 1. youtu.be/h1ONYfpAJJ8
Stamblade outbumbered pvp vol 2. No cheese youtu.be/rN4_aRVMvWw7 -
reften✭✭✭✭✭Zos knows the lag is bad and they are trying to fix it.
Don't need a few select players who know how to use livestream to tell them thatReften
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Moonlight Crew (RIP), Misfitz (RIP), Victorem Guild
VR16 NB, Stam build, Max all crafts.
Azuras & Trueflame. Mostly PvP, No alts.
Semi-retired till the lag is fixed.
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Taemethius✭✭✭sirrmattus wrote: »And why should people who play eso for a living represent the whole eso community. I work for a living and get to pvp 2-3 hrs a day, barely having enough time for 1 silver or gold mixed in. I think I'm more in tune with the eso community then those guys.
If you pvp 2-3 hours a day you are definitely not as qualified as someone who "plays eso for a living"
you also said that like you know what you are talking about lol, king richard has a job :P Im pretty sure fengrush, sypher and lefty do as well....
but even if they didn't have a job outside of playing eso, they would still be more qualified to talk about the balance seeing as all of their time would be spent playing eso...
would you want someone who flies planes 2-3 hours a day flying your jet at the airport or the guy that flies them all the time everyday?
Silly goose your missing the point. Just because the people mentioned in the op had all the time to max cp and smash on groups of noobs with far less cp doesn't make them a expert on anything . Ask deltia. About all his wonderful builds.
Those people were all products of maxed cp and that is it. Any half with wit 3600 cp could kill a huge group or make a " special" build lol. The. Max cp made them " gods" not the actual gameplay.0 -
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✭✭✭If you pvp 2-3 hours a day you are definitely not as qualified as someone who "plays eso for a living"
you also said that like you know what you are talking about lol, king richard has a job :P Im pretty sure fengrush, sypher and lefty do as well....
but even if they didn't have a job outside of playing eso, they would still be more qualified to talk about the balance seeing as all of their time would be spent playing eso...
would you want someone who flies planes 2-3 hours a day flying your jet at the airport or the guy that flies them all the time everyday?
This ^^^^^^ is just a good example of why ZOS should discount things people say on this forum.
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✭I can't believe all of the strong words about the streamers in one way or the other, seriously. These guys have contributed a lot to the ESO community and also feedback to ZOS.
Also, these guys make plenty of mistakes and their word shouldn't be considered Gospel. These guys initiate conversation amongst the community and bring issues to attention, which is great.
Engage in the conversation but chill out, no need to personally insult. Also, the guys who lavish over them every chance look pathetic, wow.Edited by Khaos_Bane on January 22, 2016 5:45PM2 -
Taemethius✭✭✭Khaos_Bane wrote: »I can't believe all of the strong words about the streamers in one way or the other, seriously. These guys have contributed a lot to the ESO community and also feedback to ZOS.
Also, these guys make plenty of mistakes and their word shouldn't be considered Gospel. These guys initiate conversation amongst the community and bring issues to attention, which is great.
Engage in the conversation but chill out, no need to personally insult. Also, the guys who lavish over them every chance look pathetic, wow.
I think the streamers are great, I just don't think of them as some epic players. Most are a product of 3600 cp cap lol
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Taemethius✭✭✭sirrmattus wrote: »
Yes it will be on the stam sorc.Supersnake_Lx wrote: »Aren't most/all of those people solo players? I'd rather see them plus several prominent small-group leads, plus several top-tier guild leads, plus a couple of pug wranglers for good measure weighing in. If you only have one type of player explaining their needs then you'd get a skewed representation that completely fails to capture the glorious diversity of combat in Cyrodiil.
True but, where are these small group leads and top tier guild leads and pug wranglers? Where is their podcast? Why haven't they spoken up? Probably because Cyrodiil is 300% better when you are running in full groups all the time. Their issues are few and far between compared to someone who wants to do more than follow a crown and mash buttons.
I don't get people. It is obvious that they complete forget Cyrodiil was designed to be a Warzone, not an arena. While you got to enjoy it small scale/solo, it's nice and the devs understand that and working on a place where you can do just that.
Cyrodiil was meant to be a place where large groups clash, where skilled players can take command and lead their group/faction to victory. Take a close look at the Alliance War skills, there is a reason why they are all support or aoe skills. The zerg is not the problem, the lag it creates is; that's what the devs need to fix. 30 vs 30 should be welcomed in Cyrodill with a smooth gameplay.
Those streamers, while I enjoy the way they play at times, do nothing for the war and only play to show their skills on stream going solo. I'm happy they will get the battlegrounds they demand, but the devs should not listen to them and take away what Cyrodiil has.
But please ZOS, for the love of God, FIX THE LAG!!!!
I agree that cyro is meant for large scale PvP - entirely in fact. I dont expect to fight those full raids alone either. Im more often than not in groups so - Im not sure why youd say we all dont do group play. I had always led a 4-8 man group through release and early game. Everyone from my group has since quit the game largely due to AOE caps and performance problems... so again, with you on that one.
Here's a clip of PvP from a couple weeks ago fighting large scale PvP:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI5x_Qy2uds
Notice how he didn't mention anyone quitting over the cp cap lol.
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Just want to point out am pretty sure non of them have Max CP.Their close but that's about it.I know @Sypher doesn't unless but he is close the same hasn't watched @FENGRUSH streams in about 2-3 weeks been busy but I don't think he has it either.Which might have changed King Richard doesn't have it either I believe but been mainly watching his BnS streams so he might have gotten it and I just didn't know .Game looks amazing thinking of building a rig for that and Black Desert.Taemethius wrote: »sirrmattus wrote: »And why should people who play eso for a living represent the whole eso community. I work for a living and get to pvp 2-3 hrs a day, barely having enough time for 1 silver or gold mixed in. I think I'm more in tune with the eso community then those guys.
If you pvp 2-3 hours a day you are definitely not as qualified as someone who "plays eso for a living"
you also said that like you know what you are talking about lol, king richard has a job :P Im pretty sure fengrush, sypher and lefty do as well....
but even if they didn't have a job outside of playing eso, they would still be more qualified to talk about the balance seeing as all of their time would be spent playing eso...
would you want someone who flies planes 2-3 hours a day flying your jet at the airport or the guy that flies them all the time everyday?
Silly goose your missing the point. Just because the people mentioned in the op had all the time to max cp and smash on groups of noobs with far less cp doesn't make them a expert on anything . Ask deltia. About all his wonderful builds.
Those people were all products of maxed cp and that is it. Any half with wit 3600 cp could kill a huge group or make a " special" build lol. The. Max cp made them " gods" not the actual gameplay.
My point is that you don't have to have Max CP to wreck players these guys are really good players and is it wrong that they can take on 1v10 no if they play better than those 10 players they should win every time and not be handicapped for being better players.0 -
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✭Taemethius wrote: »Khaos_Bane wrote: »I can't believe all of the strong words about the streamers in one way or the other, seriously. These guys have contributed a lot to the ESO community and also feedback to ZOS.
Also, these guys make plenty of mistakes and their word shouldn't be considered Gospel. These guys initiate conversation amongst the community and bring issues to attention, which is great.
Engage in the conversation but chill out, no need to personally insult. Also, the guys who lavish over them every chance look pathetic, wow.
I think the streamers are great, I just don't think of them as some epic players. Most are a product of 3600 cp cap lol
Can we do a where are they now eso special?
I don't either, but I do like that they bring issues up and start conversation even when I don't agree with them.
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Just want to point out am pretty sure non of them have Max CP.Their close but that's about it.I know @Sypher doesn't unless but he is close the same hasn't watched @FENGRUSH streams in about 2-3 weeks been busy but I don't think he has it either.Which might have changed King Richard doesn't have it either I believe but been mainly watching his BnS streams so he might have gotten it and I just didn't know .Game looks amazing thinking of building a rig for that and Black Desert.Taemethius wrote: »sirrmattus wrote: »And why should people who play eso for a living represent the whole eso community. I work for a living and get to pvp 2-3 hrs a day, barely having enough time for 1 silver or gold mixed in. I think I'm more in tune with the eso community then those guys.
If you pvp 2-3 hours a day you are definitely not as qualified as someone who "plays eso for a living"
you also said that like you know what you are talking about lol, king richard has a job :P Im pretty sure fengrush, sypher and lefty do as well....
but even if they didn't have a job outside of playing eso, they would still be more qualified to talk about the balance seeing as all of their time would be spent playing eso...
would you want someone who flies planes 2-3 hours a day flying your jet at the airport or the guy that flies them all the time everyday?
Silly goose your missing the point. Just because the people mentioned in the op had all the time to max cp and smash on groups of noobs with far less cp doesn't make them a expert on anything . Ask deltia. About all his wonderful builds.
Those people were all products of maxed cp and that is it. Any half with wit 3600 cp could kill a huge group or make a " special" build lol. The. Max cp made them " gods" not the actual gameplay.
My point is that you don't have to have Max CP to wreck players these guys are really good players and is it wrong that they can take on 1v10 no if they play better than those 10 players they should win every time and not be handicapped for being better players.
I agree with not being punished for being good.
As for the max cp. a lot of the top players were well into the thousands of cp before the cap and a few are maxed.
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✭✭✭Taemethius wrote: »sirrmattus wrote: »And why should people who play eso for a living represent the whole eso community. I work for a living and get to pvp 2-3 hrs a day, barely having enough time for 1 silver or gold mixed in. I think I'm more in tune with the eso community then those guys.
If you pvp 2-3 hours a day you are definitely not as qualified as someone who "plays eso for a living"
you also said that like you know what you are talking about lol, king richard has a job :P Im pretty sure fengrush, sypher and lefty do as well....
but even if they didn't have a job outside of playing eso, they would still be more qualified to talk about the balance seeing as all of their time would be spent playing eso...
would you want someone who flies planes 2-3 hours a day flying your jet at the airport or the guy that flies them all the time everyday?
Silly goose your missing the point. Just because the people mentioned in the op had all the time to max cp and smash on groups of noobs with far less cp doesn't make them a expert on anything . Ask deltia. About all his wonderful builds.
Those people were all products of maxed cp and that is it. Any half with wit 3600 cp could kill a huge group or make a " special" build lol. The. Max cp made them " gods" not the actual gameplay.
I remember the days when CP didn't exist. Yup.
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Taemethius✭✭✭Taemethius wrote: »sirrmattus wrote: »And why should people who play eso for a living represent the whole eso community. I work for a living and get to pvp 2-3 hrs a day, barely having enough time for 1 silver or gold mixed in. I think I'm more in tune with the eso community then those guys.
If you pvp 2-3 hours a day you are definitely not as qualified as someone who "plays eso for a living"
you also said that like you know what you are talking about lol, king richard has a job :P Im pretty sure fengrush, sypher and lefty do as well....
but even if they didn't have a job outside of playing eso, they would still be more qualified to talk about the balance seeing as all of their time would be spent playing eso...
would you want someone who flies planes 2-3 hours a day flying your jet at the airport or the guy that flies them all the time everyday?
Silly goose your missing the point. Just because the people mentioned in the op had all the time to max cp and smash on groups of noobs with far less cp doesn't make them a expert on anything . Ask deltia. About all his wonderful builds.
Those people were all products of maxed cp and that is it. Any half with wit 3600 cp could kill a huge group or make a " special" build lol. The. Max cp made them " gods" not the actual gameplay.
I remember the days when CP didn't exist. Yup.
I'm sure you do but how many of those videos of you taking on mobs was before cp? I bet not many.
The people in mentioned have much more knowledge of the actual gameplay as I'm sure most are on PC and have had a year head start on people on consoles.
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Taemethius✭✭✭Khaos_Bane wrote: »Taemethius wrote: »Khaos_Bane wrote: »I can't believe all of the strong words about the streamers in one way or the other, seriously. These guys have contributed a lot to the ESO community and also feedback to ZOS.
Also, these guys make plenty of mistakes and their word shouldn't be considered Gospel. These guys initiate conversation amongst the community and bring issues to attention, which is great.
Engage in the conversation but chill out, no need to personally insult. Also, the guys who lavish over them every chance look pathetic, wow.
I think the streamers are great, I just don't think of them as some epic players. Most are a product of 3600 cp cap lol
Can we do a where are they now eso special?
I don't either, but I do like that they bring issues up and start conversation even when I don't agree with them.
We sure do need them. They know the game inside and out. At least a few do and they do bring up a range of topics like you said.0
