ZOS, can you listen to people that PvP daily?

Snowgoons · January 2016

Is this asking too much? King Richard, Fengrush, sypher, Lefty_Lucy have basically laid out how to fix this games pvp and make it more enjoyable for everyone. Can these items be implemented? You can find them in the We Are ESO broadcast, among other outlets, can you please just listen to them?

Thelon · January 2016

Nerfing add-ons is more important

Didgerion · January 2016

Snowgoons wrote: »

Is this asking too much? King Richard, Fengrush, sypher, Lefty_Lucy have basically laid out how to fix this games pvp and make it more enjoyable for everyone. Can these items be implemented? You can find them in the We Are ESO broadcast, among other outlets, can you please just listen to them?

They are not ESO.

Half of the nominated people are unprofessional and here is why:
- they are constantly threatening they are leaving the game..you see them trying other games and ..then you see them back in ESO threatening and whining about it all over again.
- maybe they have good points but man learn to express it in a constructive and a peaceful way.
- I would say they make ESO worse they poison up a lot of potential players ...ZOS gets less funds as result and then you see all this P2W content ESO brings to cover the expenses up.
- The ESO representatives were attending this show at the beginning...but "We are not ESO" lost it due to the unprofessional approach.

Zheg · January 2016

Umm, that crowd all plays very similarly to eachother, and while fengrush does some smallman stuff, I'd hardly call that crowd representative of pvp. When was the last time you saw sypher running 3 trebs while trying to siege a wall? Right.

Not going to turn this into an anti streamer thread, but the majority of people who pvp every day play objectives; not everyone agrees entirely with the people you've listed, so no, ZOS should not be taking what they say as gospel.

Some good ideas in there to be sure, but some terrible ones as well.

Forestd16b14_ESO · January 2016

Hmm...... No and again no.

It's people like "them" who ZOS should never listen too at all.

sirrmattus · January 2016

Snowgoons wrote: »

Is this asking too much? King Richard, Fengrush, sypher, Lefty_Lucy have basically laid out how to fix this games pvp and make it more enjoyable for everyone. Can these items be implemented? You can find them in the We Are ESO broadcast, among other outlets, can you please just listen to them?

You mean those guys are mad they cant 1v20 anymore? well.....

Dominoid · January 2016

While I fully respect those mentioned, they play (for the most part) a very specific PVP style that is not inclusive of PVP as a whole. That being said, I'm pretty sure their voices are heard plenty loudly by the developers.

Ackwalan · January 2016

Just being the loudest person in the room, doesn't make them the most qualified.

Morozov · January 2016

wtb the "large scale" warfare I was promised in Beta. I could care less about dueling and arenas. If I wanted to solo yolo I would go play blacktops or something

RoamingRiverElk · January 2016

Cyrodiil used to have a variety of group sizes, it wasn't so much about numbers. Then defensive actions were nerfed, dynamic ultimate gain became a thing of the past, and aoe caps and smart healing still exist, while no one in a big group outnumbering a smaller group runs out of resources. So, here we are. PvP is a mess and the atmosphere has REALLY turned into people wanting to quit - some because of just lag, and many because of the combat system and lag. Some of us experienced the combat system when it still resembled what the creators of the game originally had in mind, and it was lovely, it just needed some minor tweaks, like vigor for stamina builds. But we keep drifting further and further away from that original gameplay where a variety of builds and group sizes were viable, where it wasn't all about burst and numbers.

But I have to say, what We Are ESO people are saying about the game is what the game does need. It needs more variety, it needs numbers not to matter so incredibly much. It needs mechanics that enable the killing of huge blobs with smart play.

RAGUNAnoOne · January 2016

The PvP nerfs that keep on being implemented because of Prema tanky healing whatevers keep on making PvE less enjoyable until they 100% separate the skills do not listen to them as it ruins PvE (well the constant nerfs do I wouldn't mind buffs). Also for the most part the bias towards one specific style of gameplay is asininely obvious.

sirrmattus · January 2016

Morozov wrote: »

wtb the "large scale" warfare I was promised in Beta. I could care less about dueling and arenas. If I wanted to solo yolo I would go play blacktops or something

this is all that goes on in BWB, HAD, AZURAS
except in bwb, its more like the advertise. in vet campaigns its more like "STACK ON CROWN!!!!!"... "UNMOUNT SNEAK!!"... "DONT CHASE, DONT CHASE!!!"

*** that, I rather SOLO PVP
but i understand that 1v20 or 1v10 for that matter is unrealistic.

Decayed_Inside · January 2016

I'm glad they are listening to a larger portion of the playerbase. Streamers are awesome but do we really want them dictating what happens in game just because they have the avenue to express their opinions to so many people at once? I'm sure they have some awesome ideas that can be completely countered in a healthy discussion.

Snowgoons · January 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

Morozov wrote: »

wtb the "large scale" warfare I was promised in Beta. I could care less about dueling and arenas. If I wanted to solo yolo I would go play blacktops or something

this is all that goes on in BWB, HAD, AZURAS
except in bwb, its more like the advertise. in vet campaigns its more like "STACK ON CROWN!!!!!"... "UNMOUNT SNEAK!!"... "DONT CHASE, DONT CHASE!!!"

*** that, I rather SOLO PVP
but i understand that 1v20 or 1v10 for that matter is unrealistic.

If you can't beat someone 10v1 or 20v1 you need to stop "pvping" and go get some champion points and levels and gear....that's also ZOS' fault for the champion point system, but no one should be complaining they couldnt finish the guy thanks to a stupid system, these players don't even like the champion point system as well, to add to that, most of the players complaining they couldn't take someone 1v10 have similar champion points and just don't have the skill involved in getting the kill.

Look at any of king richard's youtube videos and you see players that are just plain bad getting 1v10'd I mean give me a break lol. Every single time I see players eating a CASTED crystal frag from king richard in a 1v1 I'm like "yup that's probably the guy on the forums complaining he wants a frag nerf lol"

Snowgoons · January 2016

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

Cyrodiil used to have a variety of group sizes, it wasn't so much about numbers. Then defensive actions were nerfed, dynamic ultimate gain became a thing of the past, and aoe caps and smart healing still exist, while no one in a big group outnumbering a smaller group runs out of resources. So, here we are. PvP is a mess and the atmosphere has REALLY turned into people wanting to quit - some because of just lag, and many because of the combat system and lag. Some of us experienced the combat system when it still resembled what the creators of the game originally had in mind, and it was lovely, it just needed some minor tweaks, like vigor for stamina builds. But we keep drifting further and further away from that original gameplay where a variety of builds and group sizes were viable, where it wasn't all about burst and numbers.

But I have to say, what We Are ESO people are saying about the game is what the game does need. It needs more variety, it needs numbers not to matter so incredibly much. It needs mechanics that enable the killing of huge blobs with smart play.

Nice post and way to sum it all up.

All the people coming in here with negative stuff to say, thinking they know what the majority of ESO players want lol, should read this.

WalkingLegacy · January 2016

ZOS please quit listening to those mention in OP.

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2016

Snowgoons wrote: »

Is this asking too much? King Richard, Fengrush, sypher, Lefty_Lucy have basically laid out how to fix this games pvp and make it more enjoyable for everyone. Can these items be implemented? You can find them in the We Are ESO broadcast, among other outlets, can you please just listen to them?

There isnt a person on that list that I as a PvPer agree with. And the last thing I as a PvPer want is some Internet Famous kid representing me on anything.

ZOS needs to listen to the community as a whole. Not specific players with an internet following trying to push specifically what they want while claiming to be speaking on behalf of the rest of us. ZOS takes quite a bit of feedback seriously, if you hadnt noticed people like Fengrush and his followers are getting exactly what they want, Arenas. Even after the childish, immature and unnecessary behavior they showed during one of the ESO Lives last year.

Good on them for getting what they wanted.But I absolutely refuse to keep my mouth shut when players demand ZOS take note of vocal minorities and treat them as if they represent the whole.

Recremen · January 2016

Aren't most/all of those people solo players? I'd rather see them plus several prominent small-group leads, plus several top-tier guild leads, plus a couple of pug wranglers for good measure weighing in. If you only have one type of player explaining their needs then you'd get a skewed representation that completely fails to capture the glorious diversity of combat in Cyrodiil.

Snowgoons · January 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Snowgoons wrote: »

Is this asking too much? King Richard, Fengrush, sypher, Lefty_Lucy have basically laid out how to fix this games pvp and make it more enjoyable for everyone. Can these items be implemented? You can find them in the We Are ESO broadcast, among other outlets, can you please just listen to them?

There isnt a person on that list that I as a PvPer agree with. And the last thing I as a PvPer want is some Internet Famous kid representing me on anything.

ZOS needs to listen to the community as a whole. Not specific players with an internet following trying to push specifically what they want while claiming to be speaking on behalf of the rest of us. ZOS takes quite a bit of feedback seriously, if you hadnt noticed people like Fengrush and his followers are getting exactly what they want, Arenas. Even after the childish, immature and unnecessary behavior they showed during one of the ESO Lives last year.

Good on them for getting what they wanted.But I absolutely refuse to keep my mouth shut when players demand ZOS take note of vocal minorities and treat them as if they represent the whole.

So what you are saying is Fengrush's fans acted a fool and got what they wanted? It shouldn't have taken that, and being "famous" has nothing to do with it, where is your list of things to make the game better Korah? Where is your podcast to discuss balancing issues and add to why you think certain changes should happen?

It's people like you that SHOULD keep your mouth shut because you add nothing to the conversation.

eventide03b14a_ESO · January 2016

The fact is those folks get paid to play the game by those that watch their livestreams. They are entertainers and they want the game designed in a way that will fit their method of play the best so they look amazing when they take out a group of 20 who do not do it professionally. It would be no different than a group of gold farmers whining that there isn't good enough loot on world bosses. At the end of the day their impact on ZOS's bottom line would be marginal at best if they decided to stop playing, and we would eventually forget all about them.

sirrmattus · January 2016

Snowgoons wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

Morozov wrote: »

wtb the "large scale" warfare I was promised in Beta. I could care less about dueling and arenas. If I wanted to solo yolo I would go play blacktops or something

this is all that goes on in BWB, HAD, AZURAS
except in bwb, its more like the advertise. in vet campaigns its more like "STACK ON CROWN!!!!!"... "UNMOUNT SNEAK!!"... "DONT CHASE, DONT CHASE!!!"

*** that, I rather SOLO PVP
but i understand that 1v20 or 1v10 for that matter is unrealistic.

If you can't beat someone 10v1 or 20v1 you need to stop "pvping" and go get some champion points and levels and gear....that's also ZOS' fault for the champion point system, but no one should be complaining they couldnt finish the guy thanks to a stupid system, these players don't even like the champion point system as well, to add to that, most of the players complaining they couldn't take someone 1v10 have similar champion points and just don't have the skill involved in getting the kill.

Look at any of king richard's youtube videos and you see players that are just plain bad getting 1v10'd I mean give me a break lol. Every single time I see players eating a CASTED crystal frag from king richard in a 1v1 I'm like "yup that's probably the guy on the forums complaining he wants a frag nerf lol"

I'm confused. I have 420 cp. I have never been able to beat 10 players. I don't think it's realistic to be able to beat 10 players. Why would anyone want a system where 1 man can beat 10? How is that balance? Unless he is picking them off 1 by 1, it doesn't make sense. I've watched richard and sypherpk and fengrush. I've watched the evolution from them being pvp gods to being regular guys again and they hate it.

Snowgoons · January 2016

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

The fact is those folks get paid to play the game by those that watch their livestreams. They are entertainers and they want the game designed in a way that will fit their method of play the best so they look amazing when they take out a group of 20 who do not do it professionally. It would be no different than a group of gold farmers whining that there isn't good enough loot on world bosses. At the end of the day their impact on ZOS's bottom line would be marginal at best if they decided to stop playing, and we would eventually forget all about them.

Again if a group of 20 gets taken on by one person in this game, no matter how good that person is, the entire group of 20 needs to port back to the starter islands and actually learn to play the game again.

Snowgoons · January 2016

Recremen wrote: »

Aren't most/all of those people solo players? I'd rather see them plus several prominent small-group leads, plus several top-tier guild leads, plus a couple of pug wranglers for good measure weighing in. If you only have one type of player explaining their needs then you'd get a skewed representation that completely fails to capture the glorious diversity of combat in Cyrodiil.

True but, where are these small group leads and top tier guild leads and pug wranglers? Where is their podcast? Why haven't they spoken up? Probably because Cyrodiil is 300% better when you are running in full groups all the time. Their issues are few and far between compared to someone who wants to do more than follow a crown and mash buttons.

Didgerion · January 2016

Thelon wrote: »

Nerfing add-ons is more important

You mean cutting some numbers that mega server-gives to the game client in order to increase the performance...oh yeah it is definitely more important!

Forestd16b14_ESO · January 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Snowgoons wrote: »

Is this asking too much? King Richard, Fengrush, sypher, Lefty_Lucy have basically laid out how to fix this games pvp and make it more enjoyable for everyone. Can these items be implemented? You can find them in the We Are ESO broadcast, among other outlets, can you please just listen to them?

There isnt a person on that list that I as a PvPer agree with. And the last thing I as a PvPer want is some Internet Famous kid representing me on anything.

ZOS needs to listen to the community as a whole. Not specific players with an internet following trying to push specifically what they want while claiming to be speaking on behalf of the rest of us. ZOS takes quite a bit of feedback seriously, if you hadnt noticed people like Fengrush and his followers are getting exactly what they want, Arenas. Even after the childish, immature and unnecessary behavior they showed during one of the ESO Lives last year.

Good on them for getting what they wanted.But I absolutely refuse to keep my mouth shut when players demand ZOS take note of vocal minorities and treat them as if they represent the whole.

What this guy said.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Side note I personally am all for arenas cause well I just like arenas for the actual 1v1 and what's not ecstatic about 2 warriors entering a arena the crowd cheering for blood and the victor reaping the honor of a well earned kill.

Like I want arenas for all the right reason such as 1v1 with out worrying of a zerg coming in and ruin it or to test some different builds for the larger scale PvP I happily help out some players trying to figure out a PvP build. The players as mention most likely want arena just cause they wanna say there "good" at PvP or AvA what ever you wanna call it with out having to AvA/PvP.

Arena is meant to have fun that's it. While AvA is meant to compete the arena can not be both.

Snowgoons · January 2016

avid_mdb16_ESO wrote: »

Thelon wrote: »

Nerfing add-ons is more important

You mean cutting some numbers that mega server-gives to the game client in order to increase the performance...oh yeah it is definitely more important!

These servers are hardly "mega" lol just saying like the way they talked about this game and how many people were going to be battling and server vs server and stuff, these servers remind me of any other standard mmo lol

sirrmattus · January 2016

And why should people who play eso for a living represent the whole eso community. I work for a living and get to pvp 2-3 hrs a day, barely having enough time for 1 silver or gold mixed in. I think I'm more in tune with the eso community then those guys.

VincentBlanquin · January 2016

this is unbelievable thread. streamers has a good points everyone agree. you should be glad they are expressing them

whatever you disagree (with your big scale point of view) write about it here, popularize it, maybe maybe you convince that vocal streamers to support it to.

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Jhunn · January 2016

People disqualifying their very well based arguments because they're 'solo PvPers and doesn't represent the ESO crowd'....? Sounds to me like you're the people running in a 50 man 'warfare' zerg that are ruining this game.

Snowgoons · January 2016

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

this is unbelievable thread. streamers has a good points everyone agree. you should be glad they are expressing them

whatever you disagree (with your big scale point of view) write about it here, popularize it, maybe maybe you convince that vocal streamers to support it to. all i see i jealousy and pathetic attacks on them. they are maybe vocal minority, but you are nothing, only complain about them and doing personal attacks

Yup it's scary being the first to suggest something. Honestly these streamers spend time figuring out how to make the game more challenging and rewarding and people that don't are here bashing them lol.

Snowgoons · January 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

And why should people who play eso for a living represent the whole eso community. I work for a living and get to pvp 2-3 hrs a day, barely having enough time for 1 silver or gold mixed in. I think I'm more in tune with the eso community then those guys.

If you pvp 2-3 hours a day you are definitely not as qualified as someone who "plays eso for a living"

you also said that like you know what you are talking about lol, king richard has a job :P Im pretty sure fengrush, sypher and lefty do as well....

but even if they didn't have a job outside of playing eso, they would still be more qualified to talk about the balance seeing as all of their time would be spent playing eso...

would you want someone who flies planes 2-3 hours a day flying your jet at the airport or the guy that flies them all the time everyday?