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New to eso. High elf dragon knight?

bucks902
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I'm new to this game I don't want to waste my time and skill points if I set myself up to fail. Is it ok to be a high elf and dragon knight ? In using some kind of inferno staff ATM and I'm level 7 I'm using skill points for different spell attacks and such I usually stay away from an enemy and attack with the staff and shoot spells that knock them down for a few secs so I can get a few free shots in with the staff

I'm wondering if I should go in a different direction or what do you guys think. I was never a tank in any game I like to run and gun kinda thing
  • UrQuan
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    In a word: yes.

    In more than one word: if you're looking to be a magicka-based DPS (and from the sounds of it that's the direction you're going), an Altmer Dragonknight using a flame staff is totally viable. Some might argue it's one of the best combos for magicka DPS. When you hit level 15 and unlock weapon swapping, it might be worth picking up a restoration staff and putting that on your second bar so that you've got a little more utility and magicka recovery, but that's up to you.
    Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
    Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
    Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
    Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
    J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)
    Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
    Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)
    Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
    Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
    Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
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  • Lynx7386
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    a pyromancer build (caster dragonknight) will want to fight a little closer to enemies than your typical mage/sorceror, because most of the dragonknight class abilities are close-range attacks. It's entirely feasible, and that build puts out a massive amount of damage, you just run the risk of being closer to enemies.

    Combine the destruction (fire) staff attacks with ardent flame skills like fiery breath, searing strike, and lava whip for an up close caster style. Inferno also works well for this as a toggled self buff that boosts spell critical chance, deals fire damage to nearby enemies, and can restore magicka when it kills an enemy.

    Other good spells to throw into the build are ash cloud/eruption and stone fist/obsidian shard from the earthen heart line, which can be used at range and deal decent damage. Ash cloud deals fire damage over time as well, so it'll benefit from your high elf passives.

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  • bucks902
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    thanks for the help guys im gonna keep doing what im doing

    however if someone could help me out with a few noob questions it would be great

    :whats the difference between destruction staff and a restoration one?
    :i found out how to add potions to the quick wheel but i can only get the up on d pad one to work? (xbox)
    :i seem to have low health i fight and usually dont get hit however if i manage to get hit it doesnt take much to kill me im trying to finish the ghosts of westry and the ghost thing in the cellar keeps killing me because its so fast and does alot of dmg when it hits

    also when my friend is online is there a way to invite him to a group or something so we can see each other easier and do the same quests or do we just need to follow each other around and talk with the same npcs?
  • UrQuan
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    bucks902 wrote: »
    :whats the difference between destruction staff and a restoration one?
    They're different skill lines. The restoration staff skill line is primarily about healing skills, but there's also some primarily utility skills in the line. One of the main reasons to use the skill line aside from wanting access to healing/utility skills is the fact that there are some passives in the line that make heavy attacks with the resto staff very attractive. Heavy attacks with a staff restore magicka anyway, but with the right passives a heavy attack with a resto staff restores significantly more magicka, and also heals a nearby ally (and anything that affects "an ally" considers you to be your own ally, so it can heal you).

    The destruction staff skill line is all about causing damage.
    bucks902 wrote: »
    :i found out how to add potions to the quick wheel but i can only get the up on d pad one to work? (xbox)
    Um, I really have no idea how the quick wheel works on console, but on PC the quick wheel is just used to select one potion (or something else that can be slotted), and then you tap the button to use the one that's selected. If you've got 5 or 6 different items on your quick wheel you can't just tap one button to use any one of them - only the one that's currently selected.
    bucks902 wrote: »
    :i seem to have low health i fight and usually dont get hit however if i manage to get hit it doesnt take much to kill me im trying to finish the ghosts of westry and the ghost thing in the cellar keeps killing me because its so fast and does alot of dmg when it hits
    OK, there are a few things that could be going on here.

    First: what level are you? It's possible that you're having trouble because you're under-leveled. Did you do the starter islands (Stros M'Kai and Betnikh) before starting to quest in Glenumbra? If not, you're going to have a much harder time because the starter islands are designed to teach you common questing mechanics, level you up (if all you've done are the tutorial and the starter islands you should be about level 8, which makes questing in Glenumbra much easier), get you 2 skill points worth of sky shards, and begin your alliance storyline.

    Second: where have you assigned your attribute points? If you haven't put any into health, that could be the problem.

    Third: what equipment are you using? Heavy armour provides significantly more protection from damage than medium, and even more than light. If you're wearing armour that's much lower level than your character level, think about replacing it with higher level stuff. Also, check to see if your armour is damaged and not giving you full protection. If it is, you can either sell it and replace it with new gear, or pay a merchant to repair it.

    Fourth: does your enemy telegraph a special attack before you get killed? If so (and you'll be able to tell by there being red thingies that show that a special attack is incoming) then you should do one of the following (with experience you'll learn which one to use in which situation): bash them to interrupt it, block it, dodge-roll out of the way.
    bucks902 wrote: »
    also when my friend is online is there a way to invite him to a group or something so we can see each other easier and do the same quests or do we just need to follow each other around and talk with the same npcs?
    Yes, you can invite him to group with you. I don't know exactly how you do that on console though.
    Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
    Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
    Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
    Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
    J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)
    Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
    Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)
    Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
    Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
    Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
    Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp
    Someone stole my sweetroll
  • Survivor_Chris
    UrQuan wrote: »
    In a word: yes.

    In more than one word: if you're looking to be a magicka-based DPS (and from the sounds of it that's the direction you're going), an Altmer Dragonknight using a flame staff is totally viable. Some might argue it's one of the best combos for magicka DPS. When you hit level 15 and unlock weapon swapping, it might be worth picking up a restoration staff and putting that on your second bar so that you've got a little more utility and magicka recovery, but that's up to you.

    Hello! I really don't want to steal the thread but I have one single question and you seem nice! Can you use spears in the game? (XB1) I want to be like prince oberyn from game of thrones with a venomous spear :D

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  • UrQuan
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    In a word: yes.

    In more than one word: if you're looking to be a magicka-based DPS (and from the sounds of it that's the direction you're going), an Altmer Dragonknight using a flame staff is totally viable. Some might argue it's one of the best combos for magicka DPS. When you hit level 15 and unlock weapon swapping, it might be worth picking up a restoration staff and putting that on your second bar so that you've got a little more utility and magicka recovery, but that's up to you.

    Hello! I really don't want to steal the thread but I have one single question and you seem nice! Can you use spears in the game? (XB1) I want to be like prince oberyn from game of thrones with a venomous spear :D
    The answer is "kind of, but not really". There aren't any spears (or other pole arms) as weapons that you can use, and there's no skill line for them. The only way that you can kind of use them is by being a Templar. Templars have a class skill line Aedric Spear which has a number of spells that are based on spears, and show a spear in the animation for them (radial sweep, puncturing strikes, piercing javelin, spear shards).

    I saw a comment once by one of the devs along the lines of "there aren't spears in the game because spear attack animations are boring". As you clearly know, Oberyn Martell begs to differ :)
    Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
    Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
    Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
    Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
    J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)
    Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
    Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)
    Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
    Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
    Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
    Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp
    Someone stole my sweetroll
  • Hardicon
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    Aedric spear line is really good. The reason I rolled Templar is I wanted to play sort of a lightly armored warrior type class that had some good utility in the form of heals and stuff and aedric spear line fit with that. The whole line you basically use a spear of light that you conjure to do your attacks with. You have your bread and butter attack in puncturing sweeps (magicka dps) or biting jabs if you are stamina based. It has a charge that will interrupt spellcasters, an aoe attack called blazing spear, even a shield to keep you in the fight.

    My current setup that I normally use is blazing spears, puncturing sweep and explosive charge. I use explosive right now because it hits all enemies in the area and it can interrupt spellcaster. the other morph is toppeling charge which only hits one enemy but it stuns that enemy plus interrupts spellcasters. I use a resto staff with that setup and use siphon spirit for more health and magic gain while I am fighting. So far with this build I can solo most world bosses, most public dungeons and all delves, it has amazing survivability and really good dps on top of that. I am vet rank 3 with this toon but that is what I have leveled with pretty much the whole game.

    OP a magicka based dragon knight will basically be a fire mage, its close range but really high damage output.
  • Sugram22
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    i'm wondering about DK, high elf or dummer?,

    magic build sword & shield only stamina skill shield bash & magic build & fire skills, or are light armor passives create loss for magic build?
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    It's ok to be any class if you're here to have fun. If you want to be min/max then Dunmer will result in highest damage for magic DK. See below for the beginner info.
    http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pro-tips-and-qa-for-new-dk-players-read-before-asking-for-a-build/
    and this is an example of an endgame build most of us are using atm:
    http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/the-magnus-destro-pve-dps-build/
    Sugram22 wrote: »
    i'm wondering about DK, high elf or dummer?,

    magic build sword & shield only stamina skill shield bash & magic build & fire skills, or are light armor passives create loss for magic build?

    Magic - Dunmer
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    Edited by Cuyler on January 21, 2016 2:34PM
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    Sugram22 wrote: »
    i'm wondering about DK, high elf or dummer?,

    magic build sword & shield only stamina skill shield bash & magic build & fire skills, or are light armor passives create loss for magic build?

    Dunmer is somewhat better for fire dmg, and altmer has better mana passives. Both are good for DK.

    I tried different combinations for my DK DPS. And now i use DW/destro for PvE (DW - no active skills, only passives to max dmg on single boss targets, destro for AoE - inferno+fire breath+eruption+elemental ring spam and deap breath for heal works great)
    And for PvP i use destro/restro build.
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    i asked cause with DK sword & shield i usually go for heavy armor for survival
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    even magic DK, to be tanky & good dam
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    Sugram22 wrote: »
    i asked cause with DK sword & shield i usually go for heavy armor for survival

    Sounds like you want to be a tank, or are looking for a PvP build.
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  • Stannum
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    bucks902 wrote: »
    :i seem to have low health i fight and usually dont get hit however if i manage to get hit it doesnt take much to kill me im trying to finish the ghosts of westry and the ghost thing in the cellar keeps killing me because its so fast and does alot of dmg when it hits
    On low lev you have ineffisient resource management as you have no armor sets and armor bonuses so you should kill quick or have healing skills. For destro DK you should open gragon blood skill for healing asap. As you do not need stamina for attck learn to use block it will mitigate dmg you recive. If you use stone fist for knock down, try to replase it with fire clench (destro staff skill). Use fire breath on groups befor you attack then one by one.
  • Cuyler
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    Sugram22 wrote: »
    i'm wondering about DK, high elf or dummer?,

    magic build sword & shield only stamina skill shield bash & magic build & fire skills, or are light armor passives create loss for magic build?

    Dunmer is somewhat better for fire dmg, and altmer has better mana passives. Both are good for DK.

    I tried different combinations for my DK DPS. And now i use DW/destro for PvE (DW - no active skills, only passives to max dmg on single boss targets, destro for AoE - inferno+fire breath+eruption+elemental ring spam and deap breath for heal works great)
    And for PvP i use destro/restro build.

    How is this working out for you? don't you lose a lot of dps not weaving LA on your back bar? Seems like a minimal change at best considering we spend so much time on the whip bar.
    Edited by Cuyler on January 21, 2016 2:29PM
    Guild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
    CP 810 18 Maxed Characters:
    "How hard can u guar?" - Rafishul[/spoiler]
  • Cuyler
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    dbl post

    Edited by Cuyler on January 21, 2016 2:33PM
    Guild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
    CP 810 18 Maxed Characters:
    "How hard can u guar?" - Rafishul[/spoiler]
  • Stannum
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    Cuyler wrote: »
    Sugram22 wrote: »
    i'm wondering about DK, high elf or dummer?,

    magic build sword & shield only stamina skill shield bash & magic build & fire skills, or are light armor passives create loss for magic build?

    Dunmer is somewhat better for fire dmg, and altmer has better mana passives. Both are good for DK.

    I tried different combinations for my DK DPS. And now i use DW/destro for PvE (DW - no active skills, only passives to max dmg on single boss targets, destro for AoE - inferno+fire breath+eruption+elemental ring spam and deap breath for heal works great)
    And for PvP i use destro/restro build.

    How is this working out for you? don't you lose a lot of dps not weaving LA on your back bar? Seems like a minimal change at best considering we spend so much time on the whip bar.
    Lots DoT stacking - entropy+inferno+fire breath+burning embers (and sometimes eruption from second bar), and DW swords really gives you good dmg buff compared to destro.

  • Laranoye
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    Magicka DK is great in pve.,Even good a shield healer (think wow disc priest). But dont take them into pvp if you value your life :/
  • Sugram22
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    Cuyler wrote: »
    Sugram22 wrote: »
    i asked cause with DK sword & shield i usually go for heavy armor for survival

    Sounds like you want to be a tank, or are looking for a PvP build.

    tank for self benefit, to survive, survive & to have good DPS, so heavy armor
  • Sugram22
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    Cuyler wrote: »
    Sugram22 wrote: »
    i asked cause with DK sword & shield i usually go for heavy armor for survival

    Sounds like you want to be a tank, or are looking for a PvP build.

    heavy armor sword & shield just 1 shield skill shield bash & good DPS
  • Ishammael
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    Sugram22 wrote: »
    Cuyler wrote: »
    Sugram22 wrote: »
    i asked cause with DK sword & shield i usually go for heavy armor for survival

    Sounds like you want to be a tank, or are looking for a PvP build.

    tank for self benefit, to survive, survive & to have good DPS, so heavy armor

    You won't get this with a DK in the current state of the game, sorry.

    Regardless, High Elf is the absolutely a good choice for any magicka spec, especially for PvP.
  • Sugram22
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    Ishammael wrote: »
    Sugram22 wrote: »
    Cuyler wrote: »
    Sugram22 wrote: »
    i asked cause with DK sword & shield i usually go for heavy armor for survival

    Sounds like you want to be a tank, or are looking for a PvP build.

    tank for self benefit, to survive, survive & to have good DPS, so heavy armor

    You won't get this with a DK in the current state of the game, sorry.

    Regardless, High Elf is the absolutely a good choice for any magicka spec, especially for PvP.

    :D, i have nord DK Magic & heavy armor, DPS seems best from all the classes, others are more burst then DPS, more burst dam, fire breath then flame sword skill, they burn + i make dam with flame sword (forgot skill name), it doubles the dam, ppl who say it has bad DPS don't know how to use DK skills right, mobs die faster, not just that i can kill groups faster then with any other class
  • Sugram22
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    was thinking about the changes cause dunmer or high elf or both have bit more mp recovery + dam bonus
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    High Elf Stam NB would work nicely.
  • Sugram22
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    Molten Whip 40 extra dam to all flame skills, that 40 is small number, seems useless, or is that 40 different scale, like Spell Crit rate passive that shows number of thousands but is small in %, end result just 10% crit, or does this 40 really mean just 40? then its useless, i think

    so no idea life steal morph or Molten Whip?

  • Sugram22
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    i do use fiery breath to & flame sword skill + i want to add shield bash to it, last skill inner light, not sure will i replace 1 with inferno, 1 of the 4 skills, if it still stops mana recovery then i think i won't use it with my magic build
  • Sugram22
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    flame sword i use for heal when i get lava whip, at least i plan to, i like to be DPS char more, i care about DPS not tanking, but if it (DPS) makes me Tank its OK :)
  • Sugram22
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    ofc if life steal morph has that effect that increases MP cost when i want to cast only that, then i don't like it, i know 1 spell that does that, sorc jolt escape or bolt escape or how was it called, cast within 4sec again & it costs 50% more MP, it just that whip will be my mane attack, specially if i go with Molten, so i will be using whip the most, F Breath is for making enemy burn, so i use it once as long as enemy is burning, recast when burn ends
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