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Battle Leveling Effects
sirrmattus
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How has your experiences been?
I've done some recent duels on my new DK. He is Bosmer DK lvl 18. I hav 415 CP. Using 3hvy 4medium hunding/morkulden s&b with bow (blue improvement)
I think battle level is awesome, but I dont like the idea that I can kill Vet players (with & without vigor) pretty easily. At lvl 18, none of my skills are maxed, I don't have any heals besides dragon blood (unmorphed), even my dk leap is unmorphed.
I am having a lot of fun in BWB, killing noobs. So I decided to take a bigger challenge and venture into Haderus. This is when I started to realize how OP battle level is. Granted, the vets I killed may have had some "L2P" issues, some of them had vigor, some of them had 10k shields. I hope this gets changed with the removal of vet ranks. I shouldn't be able to spend 5hrs on a new toon and be able to compete with people who have worked for months on theirs.
DISCLAIMER: I have only tried this on a DK
I've done some recent duels on my new DK. He is Bosmer DK lvl 18. I hav 415 CP. Using 3hvy 4medium hunding/morkulden s&b with bow (blue improvement)
I think battle level is awesome, but I dont like the idea that I can kill Vet players (with & without vigor) pretty easily. At lvl 18, none of my skills are maxed, I don't have any heals besides dragon blood (unmorphed), even my dk leap is unmorphed.
I am having a lot of fun in BWB, killing noobs. So I decided to take a bigger challenge and venture into Haderus. This is when I started to realize how OP battle level is. Granted, the vets I killed may have had some "L2P" issues, some of them had vigor, some of them had 10k shields. I hope this gets changed with the removal of vet ranks. I shouldn't be able to spend 5hrs on a new toon and be able to compete with people who have worked for months on theirs.
DISCLAIMER: I have only tried this on a DK
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NeillMcAttack✭✭✭✭✭
✭It may be a little much.
My new Magicka temp, 5 seducer, 4 twilight embrace, resto destro. Lvl 35. 35k Magicka, 25k health, 13k stam or something.
With only 200 and some change CP's my heals are so strong. I bring so much sustain its insane.
But to be fair. They lack, damage, crits and both resistances. And since CP's give only percentage increases this will always be the case. And also, most players hit vet sixteen and don't realise that without proper gear They are well below an under levelled but properly geared character.PC EU - NoCP PvP, is real PvPTiidehunter Nord StamDK EP PvP MainLegion Commander Tresdin Stamplar DC PvE MainSephirith Altmer MagPlar EP Gondar the Bounty Hunter Khajiit StamBlade DCThe Dirge Redguard StamNecro EP Disruptor Stormcrafter Nord StamSorc ADLone Druid Bosmer Stam Warden EP Necro-Phos Argonian MagBlade AD@ McAttack in gamePlayed since beta, and then on console at release, until the game became unplayable on console.1 -
sirrmattus✭✭✭✭✭that may be the reason. undergearedEbonheart Pact - North American Server
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Wollust✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Well the previous battle leveling was pure crap, now they overdid it. Next it will be crap. That's how ZoS operate.Susano'o
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dlepi24✭✭✭✭All I know is that my level 40 something magic templar can't die. If I were to put on stam + immovable pots there's literally no chance of me dying. I'm not claiming to be the best player in the game, but one button BoL and I'm invincible in 7 light armor...It's honestly quite sad. We had a group of 6 magic templars in all light armor in non vet tanking legitimate zergs just staying together and timing healing ults + constant BoL's. Not to mention your healing ult seems to just regenerate instantly while in a zerg so it was just constant heals.1 -
eliisra✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you're near CP cap and knows how to take advantage of battle leveling than yes, you're going to be tougher than many VR16's.
Downside, you need to change gear roughly every 2 level to maintain god-mode.
Battle levelling works fine for new or casual players, makes them okayish competitive and finally able to participate in PvP without feeling useless. But for established players with max CP running lowbie alts, able to craft and obtain BiS gear for every single level, it's just to strong right now.
Not sure of a solution.2 -
Robbmrp✭✭✭✭✭
✭sirrmattus wrote: »How has your experiences been?
I've done some recent duels on my new DK. He is Bosmer DK lvl 18. I hav 415 CP. Using 3hvy 4medium hunding/morkulden s&b with bow (blue improvement)
I think battle level is awesome, but I dont like the idea that I can kill Vet players (with & without vigor) pretty easily. At lvl 18, none of my skills are maxed, I don't have any heals besides dragon blood (unmorphed), even my dk leap is unmorphed.
I am having a lot of fun in BWB, killing noobs. So I decided to take a bigger challenge and venture into Haderus. This is when I started to realize how OP battle level is. Granted, the vets I killed may have had some "L2P" issues, some of them had vigor, some of them had 10k shields. I hope this gets changed with the removal of vet ranks. I shouldn't be able to spend 5hrs on a new toon and be able to compete with people who have worked for months on theirs.
DISCLAIMER: I have only tried this on a DK
The real test for it will be when the 0 CP Campaigns are introduced. If it's still that easy for a low level battle leveled player to kill a Vet, @ZOS will need to research why their skills are so powerful.NA Server - Kildair1 -
sirrmattus✭✭✭✭✭sirrmattus wrote: »How has your experiences been?
I've done some recent duels on my new DK. He is Bosmer DK lvl 18. I hav 415 CP. Using 3hvy 4medium hunding/morkulden s&b with bow (blue improvement)
I think battle level is awesome, but I dont like the idea that I can kill Vet players (with & without vigor) pretty easily. At lvl 18, none of my skills are maxed, I don't have any heals besides dragon blood (unmorphed), even my dk leap is unmorphed.
I am having a lot of fun in BWB, killing noobs. So I decided to take a bigger challenge and venture into Haderus. This is when I started to realize how OP battle level is. Granted, the vets I killed may have had some "L2P" issues, some of them had vigor, some of them had 10k shields. I hope this gets changed with the removal of vet ranks. I shouldn't be able to spend 5hrs on a new toon and be able to compete with people who have worked for months on theirs.
DISCLAIMER: I have only tried this on a DK
The real test for it will be when the 0 CP Campaigns are introduced. If it's still that easy for a low level battle leveled player to kill a Vet, @ZOS will need to research why their skills are so powerful.
good pointEbonheart Pact - North American Server
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dlepi24✭✭✭✭The other day I was hit by a 16k Wrecking Blow by a level 30 something...I've never even had a v16 hit me for that. Granted, I was in light armor....but still.0
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If there's one thing I noticed, is that players on Blackwater Blade feel "tankier" than VR16s. I can snipe for days on non-vet and they'll just heal through the damage, but when it was quiet I logged onto Azuras, literally 3 hit a few VR16s on top of a keep.
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sirrmattus✭✭✭✭✭If there's one thing I noticed, is that players on Blackwater Blade feel "tankier" than VR16s. I can snipe for days on non-vet and they'll just heal through the damage, but when it was quiet I logged onto Azuras, literally 3 hit a few VR16s on top of a keep.
so this means that im not OP?
cant believe it makes us this powerfulEbonheart Pact - North American Server
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭sirrmattus wrote: »If there's one thing I noticed, is that players on Blackwater Blade feel "tankier" than VR16s. I can snipe for days on non-vet and they'll just heal through the damage, but when it was quiet I logged onto Azuras, literally 3 hit a few VR16s on top of a keep.
so this means that im not OP?
cant believe it makes us this powerful
Heh, it's not to say all VR16s are made of glass or other non-vets are weak, but I just found battle levelled people felt more thick-skinned against people who aren't.
Maybe I just got lucky and targeted light armour wearers with their buffs down, but from so far away it was hard to tell
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Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I don't have a problem with it.
It makes them the same as level 15.
A vr16 is still capable of a better build and better stats.
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sirrmattus✭✭✭✭✭I don't have a problem with it.
It makes them the same as level 15.
A vr16 is still capable of a better build and better stats.
No need to be forced into grinding toons to 16 anymore. Made the game way more enjoyable
Enjoyable for people who have maxed cp or 300+ cp. For vets that havent gotten their, they're prob QQ everytime i kill them with my lvl 18.Ebonheart Pact - North American Server
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Seido_Tensei_✭✭✭I don't have a problem with it.
It makes them the same as level 15.
A vr16 is still capable of a better build and better stats.
No need to be forced into grinding toons to 16 anymore. Made the game way more enjoyable
v16's may be capable of obtaining better stats, but in order to do so, they would have invest a ton in terms of gold or material farming.....as we should. I think the issue is that battle leveled players can obtain comparable stats without the investment. If you don't want to grind to v16, you should not expect to be highly competitive in veteran content. In my opinion low leveled alts in veteran campaigns should not expect to be competitive at all. Non-vet campaigns should have their place, and having battled leveled characters with insane stats may help casual players participate it vet pvp and encourage new players to continue playing, but only until they reach v16 and they are in turn killed by a low level alt because they are still in v15 blue gear.
Instead of v16 feeling like an accomplishment, it feels like a liability until one can get all of their gold gear ready. At whatever the cost to a low levels experience in vet pvp this should not be the case. Thankfully, this whole conversation will be moot when vet ranks are removed. Instead I fear the focus will once again be on CP. Hopefully opening up non-cp campaigns will limit complaining and save some form of progression in this game.
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sirrmattus✭✭✭✭✭Seido_Tensei_ wrote: »I don't have a problem with it.
It makes them the same as level 15.
A vr16 is still capable of a better build and better stats.
No need to be forced into grinding toons to 16 anymore. Made the game way more enjoyable
v16's may be capable of obtaining better stats, but in order to do so, they would have invest a ton in terms of gold or material farming.....as we should. I think the issue is that battle leveled players can obtain comparable stats without the investment. If you don't want to grind to v16, you should not expect to be highly competitive in veteran content. In my opinion low leveled alts in veteran campaigns should not expect to be competitive at all. Non-vet campaigns should have their place, and having battled leveled characters with insane stats may help casual players participate it vet pvp and encourage new players to continue playing, but only until they reach v16 and they are in turn killed by a low level alt because they are still in v15 blue gear.
Instead of v16 feeling like an accomplishment, it feels like a liability until one can get all of their gold gear ready. At whatever the cost to a low levels experience in vet pvp this should not be the case. Thankfully, this whole conversation will be moot when vet ranks are removed. Instead I fear the focus will once again be on CP. Hopefully opening up non-cp campaigns will limit complaining and save some form of progression in this game.
Very good point. I agreeEbonheart Pact - North American Server
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Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Seido_Tensei_ wrote: »I don't have a problem with it.
It makes them the same as level 15.
A vr16 is still capable of a better build and better stats.
No need to be forced into grinding toons to 16 anymore. Made the game way more enjoyable
v16's may be capable of obtaining better stats, but in order to do so, they would have invest a ton in terms of gold or material farming.....as we should. I think the issue is that battle leveled players can obtain comparable stats without the investment. If you don't want to grind to v16, you should not expect to be highly competitive in veteran content. In my opinion low leveled alts in veteran campaigns should not expect to be competitive at all. Non-vet campaigns should have their place, and having battled leveled characters with insane stats may help casual players participate it vet pvp and encourage new players to continue playing, but only until they reach v16 and they are in turn killed by a low level alt because they are still in v15 blue gear.
Instead of v16 feeling like an accomplishment, it feels like a liability until one can get all of their gold gear ready. At whatever the cost to a low levels experience in vet pvp this should not be the case. Thankfully, this whole conversation will be moot when vet ranks are removed. Instead I fear the focus will once again be on CP. Hopefully opening up non-cp campaigns will limit complaining and save some form of progression in this game.
I have 4 vr16s, so I get that. All in 16 gear, all gold. I understand the grind.
I also have a vet 2, vet 3 and vet 4 and I'm bored to tears levelling as you can imagine. So battle levelling has been a god send for me.
Keep gear at your vet rank and make it purple and it's like being a vet 15 in purple. So 16 gold is quite a jump in stats.0 -
sirrmattus✭✭✭✭✭Seido_Tensei_ wrote: »I don't have a problem with it.
It makes them the same as level 15.
A vr16 is still capable of a better build and better stats.
No need to be forced into grinding toons to 16 anymore. Made the game way more enjoyable
v16's may be capable of obtaining better stats, but in order to do so, they would have invest a ton in terms of gold or material farming.....as we should. I think the issue is that battle leveled players can obtain comparable stats without the investment. If you don't want to grind to v16, you should not expect to be highly competitive in veteran content. In my opinion low leveled alts in veteran campaigns should not expect to be competitive at all. Non-vet campaigns should have their place, and having battled leveled characters with insane stats may help casual players participate it vet pvp and encourage new players to continue playing, but only until they reach v16 and they are in turn killed by a low level alt because they are still in v15 blue gear.
Instead of v16 feeling like an accomplishment, it feels like a liability until one can get all of their gold gear ready. At whatever the cost to a low levels experience in vet pvp this should not be the case. Thankfully, this whole conversation will be moot when vet ranks are removed. Instead I fear the focus will once again be on CP. Hopefully opening up non-cp campaigns will limit complaining and save some form of progression in this game.
I have 4 vr16s, so I get that. All in 16 gear, all gold. I understand the grind.
I also have a vet 2, vet 3 and vet 4 and I'm bored to tears levelling as you can imagine. So battle levelling has been a god send for me.
Keep gear at your vet rank and make it purple and it's like being a vet 15 in purple. So 16 gold is quite a jump in stats.
But I'm a lvl 18 in blueEbonheart Pact - North American Server
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