Stamina Regen While Blocking

Autolycus · January 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

Blocking while casting = cheating

Lol @sirrmattus ....

When are you going to grow up? Are you really blaming me for the admins deleting all of your rage posts? You know, the ones where you started swearing and flaming at every person in the thread, even though you were the only person in the entire discussion who disagreed?

Stop following me around and commenting on everything I have to say, because whether you like it or not, I'm going to continue to have discussions with other people on the forums about this game. I told you before your rage posts were deleted that I would give you one more chance to be mature before I wrote you off - and then cussed me out like a child. Don't bother quoting me or messaging me anymore - I will never help you again.

You didnt help me before and you arent helping now. You are a perma-blocking, block-casting tank trying to give advice. L2P bro.

When I first learned of block casting I was baffled. It's cheap and cheat.

You didn't listen before, all you did was swear at me and everyone else like a child. You didn't get help because you didn't listen. Permablocking isn't always easy to do, and it's not cheap. If you can manage your resources well enough to permablock, then you're doing it right. It's in the game, and therefor it is not cheating. Quit following me around - I'm tired of being harassed by someone who can't carry a mature conversation. I spend 90% of my time on these forums trying to help people, and all you do is quote me and QQ.

I didnt rage and curse. You called me names and i fired back. Im not following you around, im not harrassing. I DONT NEED HELP, i was trying to HELP. Perma-block tanks do nothing for a group. All i said was block-casting = cheating, your the one QQ

we can agree to disagree, but you making things up isnt right.
and for the record, your post got deleted as well

Actually, I removed my own post and reported you. The only thing I ever called you was ignorant, because you are in fact ignorant. Allow me to clarify this for you:

ig·no·rant
ˈiɡnərənt/
adjective
lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.

synonyms: without knowledge of, unaware of, unconscious of, oblivious to, incognizant of, unfamiliar with, unacquainted with, uninformed about, ill-informed about, unenlightened about, unconversant with, inexperienced in/with, naive about, green about; More

informal
discourteous or rude.

You called me a liar right out of the gate. You were called out by numerous other individuals who all supported the advice I gave, and the advice was never even directed at you. You said what I was telling to a new player was nothing but lies, and you cussed me out. All of your posts were deleted, and only one of mine was, which I removed myself. If you didn't agree, you didn't have to post, because I wasn't talking to you.

sirrmattus · January 2016

Autolycus wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

Blocking while casting = cheating

Lol @sirrmattus ....

When are you going to grow up? Are you really blaming me for the admins deleting all of your rage posts? You know, the ones where you started swearing and flaming at every person in the thread, even though you were the only person in the entire discussion who disagreed?

Stop following me around and commenting on everything I have to say, because whether you like it or not, I'm going to continue to have discussions with other people on the forums about this game. I told you before your rage posts were deleted that I would give you one more chance to be mature before I wrote you off - and then cussed me out like a child. Don't bother quoting me or messaging me anymore - I will never help you again.

You didnt help me before and you arent helping now. You are a perma-blocking, block-casting tank trying to give advice. L2P bro.

When I first learned of block casting I was baffled. It's cheap and cheat.

You didn't listen before, all you did was swear at me and everyone else like a child. You didn't get help because you didn't listen. Permablocking isn't always easy to do, and it's not cheap. If you can manage your resources well enough to permablock, then you're doing it right. It's in the game, and therefor it is not cheating. Quit following me around - I'm tired of being harassed by someone who can't carry a mature conversation. I spend 90% of my time on these forums trying to help people, and all you do is quote me and QQ.

I didnt rage and curse. You called me names and i fired back. Im not following you around, im not harrassing. I DONT NEED HELP, i was trying to HELP. Perma-block tanks do nothing for a group. All i said was block-casting = cheating, your the one QQ

we can agree to disagree, but you making things up isnt right.
and for the record, your post got deleted as well

Actually, I removed my own post and reported you. The only thing I ever called you was ignorant, because you are in fact ignorant. Allow me to clarify this for you:

ig·no·rant
ˈiɡnərənt/
adjective
lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.

synonyms: without knowledge of, unaware of, unconscious of, oblivious to, incognizant of, unfamiliar with, unacquainted with, uninformed about, ill-informed about, unenlightened about, unconversant with, inexperienced in/with, naive about, green about; More

informal
discourteous or rude.

You called me a liar right out of the gate. You were called out by numerous other individuals who all supported the advice I gave, and the advice was never even directed at you. You said what I was telling to a new player was nothing but lies, and you cussed me out. All of your posts were deleted, and only one of mine was, which I removed myself. If you didn't agree, you didn't have to post, because I wasn't talking to you.

cause you wer lying, telling him to run to wrothgar at lvl 3 and it be all gravy

Autolycus · January 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

cause you wer lying, telling him to run to wrothgar at lvl 3 and it be all gravy

False.

For starters, I personally never recommended a specific level to go to Wrothgar. I gave him two suggestions which would improve his chances of surviving:

1. Find someone who can craft better gear for him.
2. Practice avoiding certain mechanics, such as power attacks and interrupt-able attacks, and AOEs.

What makes either of these suggestions a lie? Do you realize how many new players don't use food, potions, don't block heavy attacks, don't move out of AOEs? These are all valid suggestions. These are things new players should learn if they want to survive on their own. This is a fact, and every experienced player knows it. So what is your problem?

Edit: I find it hilarious that you keep calling me a liar, but you have misquoted me twice already today. And you said you don't need help, but you also said when you went to Wrothgar you got killed by 2 wolves. I even tried to offer you help and you did nothing but swear at me.

sirrmattus · January 2016

Autolycus wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

cause you wer lying, telling him to run to wrothgar at lvl 3 and it be all gravy

False.

For starters, I personally never recommended a specific level to go to Wrothgar. I gave him two suggestions which would improve his chances of surviving:

1. Find someone who can craft better gear for him.
2. Practice avoiding certain mechanics, such as power attacks and interrupt-able attacks, and AOEs.

What makes either of these suggestions a lie? Do you realize how many new players don't use food, potions, don't block heavy attacks, don't move out of AOEs? These are all valid suggestions. These are things new players should learn if they want to survive on their own. This is a fact, and every experienced player knows it. So what is your problem?

Edit: I find it hilarious that you keep calling me a liar, but you have misquoted me twice already today.

I AGREE WITH THESE POINTS

when i told him to wait til at least lvl 10 yall all bashed me saying l2p, blah blah.. whatev man. leave me alone

olsborg · January 2016

Should be a passive in CP for the future that lets you block for 2 seconds without loosing stamina regen.

Artjuh90 · January 2016

at first i didn't like the no stam regen while blocking... but now it's made my runs on my tank more fun. the perma blocking sorc who can't be crit are bulky enough so don't tneed additional stamina regen. NB magicka build just perma cloak away and get stam that way. magicka templars should focus on buffing their team and healing over dps cause there DoT abilty's make it nearly imposseble to kill anyway. magicka dk in PvP we all know what that is

. at least they can make sorc QQ wuth reflective scale meteor on their head

Autolycus · January 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

cause you wer lying, telling him to run to wrothgar at lvl 3 and it be all gravy

False.

For starters, I personally never recommended a specific level to go to Wrothgar. I gave him two suggestions which would improve his chances of surviving:

1. Find someone who can craft better gear for him.
2. Practice avoiding certain mechanics, such as power attacks and interrupt-able attacks, and AOEs.

What makes either of these suggestions a lie? Do you realize how many new players don't use food, potions, don't block heavy attacks, don't move out of AOEs? These are all valid suggestions. These are things new players should learn if they want to survive on their own. This is a fact, and every experienced player knows it. So what is your problem?

Edit: I find it hilarious that you keep calling me a liar, but you have misquoted me twice already today.

I AGREE WITH THESE POINTS

when i told him to wait til at least lvl 10 yall all bashed me saying l2p, blah blah.. whatev man. leave me alone

False, yet again.

It really is unbelievable how you fabricate and twist the truth to suit your own side, and then turn around and have the wherewithal to call me a liar. You did not make the suggestion to go at level 10, you simply said we were lying and giving new players false hope for suggesting he attempt to get better gear and avoid heavy attacks. Nobody on that thread told you to L2P - I remember it perfectly. Four inviduals + myself simply told you that my suggestions were valid, and that perhaps you could benefit from them if you struggle in Wrothgar as well.

All I ever wanted was for you to leave me alone, and you've been following me around for 3 days quoting everything of mine you can find just to call me a liar. Finally found the ignore button though, so that's good. Also, you may be hearing from ZOS in the near future.

hedna123b14_ESO · January 2016

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

You block to dodgeroll on consoles? O_O
>.<

At least before that nerf, tanks struggled less and new unexperienced players didn't just give up tanking for dd role.

There is no need for regen while blocking, the community still functions as a whole, but it is a huge disadvantage. We are missing tanks so bad for pve now, that I do most of my pledges without a tank. It's doable but also messy..

Since the regen issue has been introduced I have run into 2-3 tanks that were bad, the rest did just fine...I pug ALL of my dungeon runs...No regen on block made tanking interesting, it actually makes you think...before all you needed was to put on the right armor, hold block and taunt....

Autolycus · January 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

at first i didn't like the no stam regen while blocking... but now it's made my runs on my tank more fun. the perma blocking sorc who can't be crit are bulky enough so don't tneed additional stamina regen. NB magicka build just perma cloak away and get stam that way. magicka templars should focus on buffing their team and healing over dps cause there DoT abilty's make it nearly imposseble to kill anyway. magicka dk in PvP we all know what that is . at least they can make sorc QQ wuth reflective scale meteor on their head

These are good examples, but it appears maybe just a pvp perspective? Some of the same applies in pve too, except cloaking as a NB. But hey, a NB tank has siphoning attacks, which is all anyone really needs to permablock.

I really want my next toon to be a magicka sorc tank with permafrost/footman/willpower or something to that effect. Sounds like it would be a lot of fun.

sirrmattus · January 2016

shivering in my boots

Infinite12 · January 2016

xellink wrote: »

nope, when cps caps are raised, people will start block casting again. Also promotes bad habits.

I never really ran into block casters when people were complaining about this (I'm on Xbox One). I feel like this really ruined tank builds rather than balanced them. It was a crappy move by zenimax. I only recently made a tank that is strictly for pve content, but it's pretty crappy the zero regeneration while blocking.

Draxys · January 2016

I am for stamina regen while blocking being reimplemented as a heavy armor passive.

Blocking barely even happens in pvp right now, which is the reason they nerfed it. When no one uses something that you nerfed, it's fair to look over it and say that you might have nerfed it too hard... [MAGICKA FREAKING DRAGONKNIGHT]

sirrmattus · January 2016

Draxys wrote: »

I am for stamina regen while blocking being reimplemented as a heavy armor passive.

Blocking barely even happens in pvp right now, which is the reason they nerfed it. When no one uses something that you nerfed, it's fair to look over it and say that you might have nerfed it too hard... [MAGICKA FREAKING DRAGONKNIGHT]

VERY GOOD SUGGESTION

Magdalina · January 2016

Doesn't look like lack of stam regen matters anymore with how OP everyone is this days - people adapt and CP make it that much easier. However I'm still not sure as for why this change was applied in PvE at all. It was specifically supposed to counter permablocking(and permarolling with dodgeroll cost increase) players in PvP, right? What does this have to do with some guy in a dungeon permablocking Kena or something, like AT ALL? Was there ever even any reasoning given?

Wollust · January 2016

Magdalina wrote: »

Doesn't look like lack of stam regen matters anymore with how OP everyone is this days - people adapt and CP make it that much easier. However I'm still not sure as for why this change was applied in PvE at all. It was specifically supposed to counter permablocking(and permarolling with dodgeroll cost increase) players in PvP, right? What does this have to do with some guy in a dungeon permablocking Kena or something, like AT ALL? Was there ever even any reasoning given?

There was. They stated on Reddit that they wanted to make tanking in PvE more dynamic and challenging. Which it still isnt. Tanking is still easy as hell so whatever.

Artjuh90 · January 2016

Autolycus wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

at first i didn't like the no stam regen while blocking... but now it's made my runs on my tank more fun. the perma blocking sorc who can't be crit are bulky enough so don't tneed additional stamina regen. NB magicka build just perma cloak away and get stam that way. magicka templars should focus on buffing their team and healing over dps cause there DoT abilty's make it nearly imposseble to kill anyway. magicka dk in PvP we all know what that is . at least they can make sorc QQ wuth reflective scale meteor on their head

These are good examples, but it appears maybe just a pvp perspective? Some of the same applies in pve too, except cloaking as a NB. But hey, a NB tank has siphoning attacks, which is all anyone really needs to permablock.

I really want my next toon to be a magicka sorc tank with permafrost/footman/willpower or something to that effect. Sounds like it would be a lot of fun.

well a sorc can be a good tank, just needs to adapt his build. a sorc is even a beter tank then healer.

Autolycus · January 2016

Wollust wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Doesn't look like lack of stam regen matters anymore with how OP everyone is this days - people adapt and CP make it that much easier. However I'm still not sure as for why this change was applied in PvE at all. It was specifically supposed to counter permablocking(and permarolling with dodgeroll cost increase) players in PvP, right? What does this have to do with some guy in a dungeon permablocking Kena or something, like AT ALL? Was there ever even any reasoning given?

There was. They stated on Reddit that they wanted to make tanking in PvE more dynamic and challenging. Which it still isnt. Tanking is still easy as hell so whatever.

Yeah, it's still very easy to tank PvE, even without the stam regen. I don't feel like it made it more dynamic... To make something dynamic, you should add mechanics, not remove resources.

I don't think it really had the desired effect in pvp either. As a few people at least have mentioned that it's really hurting the players that aren't tanks more, who really need to be able to block once in awhile but can't - there are a lot of tanks in cyrodiil that can still permablock.

Artjuh90 · January 2016

Autolycus wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Doesn't look like lack of stam regen matters anymore with how OP everyone is this days - people adapt and CP make it that much easier. However I'm still not sure as for why this change was applied in PvE at all. It was specifically supposed to counter permablocking(and permarolling with dodgeroll cost increase) players in PvP, right? What does this have to do with some guy in a dungeon permablocking Kena or something, like AT ALL? Was there ever even any reasoning given?

There was. They stated on Reddit that they wanted to make tanking in PvE more dynamic and challenging. Which it still isnt. Tanking is still easy as hell so whatever.

Yeah, it's still very easy to tank PvE, even without the stam regen. I don't feel like it made it more dynamic... To make something dynamic, you should add mechanics, not remove resources.

I don't think it really had the desired effect in pvp either. As a few people at least have mentioned that it's really hurting the players that aren't tanks more, who really need to be able to block once in awhile but can't - there are a lot of tanks in cyrodiil that can still permablock.

at least it isn't like WoW with aoe taunts

so we tanks have to at least be a bit aware of our team ^^

Joy_Division · January 2016

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

xellink wrote: »

nope, when cps caps are raised, people will start block casting again. Also promotes bad habits.

And so what? Loads of counters to block casting, especially these patches.

Removing stam regen while blocking is one of the most stupid decisions ZOS has made, and that says a lot.

Agreed, it's a nightmare as well because we HAVE to block to dodge roll on console. Let that sink in, PC players...

Please for once have a console mechanic work in favor of PCs and force ZoS to rethink this oversimplified nerf.

Magdalina · January 2016

Wollust wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Doesn't look like lack of stam regen matters anymore with how OP everyone is this days - people adapt and CP make it that much easier. However I'm still not sure as for why this change was applied in PvE at all. It was specifically supposed to counter permablocking(and permarolling with dodgeroll cost increase) players in PvP, right? What does this have to do with some guy in a dungeon permablocking Kena or something, like AT ALL? Was there ever even any reasoning given?

There was. They stated on Reddit that they wanted to make tanking in PvE more dynamic and challenging. Which it still isnt. Tanking is still easy as hell so whatever.

Oh, they stated it on Reddit. Well that explains why I missed it. Using official forums for that would be too mainstream I suppose.

Artjuh90 · January 2016

Magdalina wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Doesn't look like lack of stam regen matters anymore with how OP everyone is this days - people adapt and CP make it that much easier. However I'm still not sure as for why this change was applied in PvE at all. It was specifically supposed to counter permablocking(and permarolling with dodgeroll cost increase) players in PvP, right? What does this have to do with some guy in a dungeon permablocking Kena or something, like AT ALL? Was there ever even any reasoning given?

There was. They stated on Reddit that they wanted to make tanking in PvE more dynamic and challenging. Which it still isnt. Tanking is still easy as hell so whatever.

Oh, they stated it on Reddit. Well that explains why I missed it. Using official forums for that would be too mainstream I suppose.

ye they seem to favor reddit over their own forum, guess that's howmutch faith they have in their own products

Autolycus · January 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Doesn't look like lack of stam regen matters anymore with how OP everyone is this days - people adapt and CP make it that much easier. However I'm still not sure as for why this change was applied in PvE at all. It was specifically supposed to counter permablocking(and permarolling with dodgeroll cost increase) players in PvP, right? What does this have to do with some guy in a dungeon permablocking Kena or something, like AT ALL? Was there ever even any reasoning given?

There was. They stated on Reddit that they wanted to make tanking in PvE more dynamic and challenging. Which it still isnt. Tanking is still easy as hell so whatever.

Yeah, it's still very easy to tank PvE, even without the stam regen. I don't feel like it made it more dynamic... To make something dynamic, you should add mechanics, not remove resources.

I don't think it really had the desired effect in pvp either. As a few people at least have mentioned that it's really hurting the players that aren't tanks more, who really need to be able to block once in awhile but can't - there are a lot of tanks in cyrodiil that can still permablock.

at least it isn't like WoW with aoe taunts so we tanks have to at least be a bit aware of our team ^^

I agree completely. I really wish they would add more technical tanking mechanics to dungeons, or at the very least trials. Some of my favorite fights in WoW (and there are 1 or 2 examples in ESO, though not as complex) were ones that required two tanks. Fights where the boss(es) would apply stacks onto tanks, and they'd have to swap aggro, or do a certain mechanic to purge the stacks, etc. If they added these kinds of mechanics to ESO, I think we'd see a lot of positive feedback from our current tank community.

Autolycus · January 2016

Magdalina wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Doesn't look like lack of stam regen matters anymore with how OP everyone is this days - people adapt and CP make it that much easier. However I'm still not sure as for why this change was applied in PvE at all. It was specifically supposed to counter permablocking(and permarolling with dodgeroll cost increase) players in PvP, right? What does this have to do with some guy in a dungeon permablocking Kena or something, like AT ALL? Was there ever even any reasoning given?

There was. They stated on Reddit that they wanted to make tanking in PvE more dynamic and challenging. Which it still isnt. Tanking is still easy as hell so whatever.

Oh, they stated it on Reddit. Well that explains why I missed it. Using official forums for that would be too mainstream I suppose.

Well, what reason could we possible have to want to discuss on the official pages? That just makes too much sense... lol

hrothbern · January 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Doesn't look like lack of stam regen matters anymore with how OP everyone is this days - people adapt and CP make it that much easier. However I'm still not sure as for why this change was applied in PvE at all. It was specifically supposed to counter permablocking(and permarolling with dodgeroll cost increase) players in PvP, right? What does this have to do with some guy in a dungeon permablocking Kena or something, like AT ALL? Was there ever even any reasoning given?

There was. They stated on Reddit that they wanted to make tanking in PvE more dynamic and challenging. Which it still isnt. Tanking is still easy as hell so whatever.

Oh, they stated it on Reddit. Well that explains why I missed it. Using official forums for that would be too mainstream I suppose.

ye they seem to favor reddit over their own forum, guess that's howmutch faith they have in their own products

Sorry to say:

the posts on reddit are in general more enjoyable to read than on this forum, with all the rage, whining, the stupid trolling, narrow minded emotional blurps...

But I agree @Magdalina , @Artjuh90 , ZOS should keep this forum in honor !

nine9six · January 2016

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

xellink wrote: »

nope, when cps caps are raised, people will start block casting again. Also promotes bad habits.

And so what? Loads of counters to block casting, especially these patches.

Removing stam regen while blocking is one of the most stupid decisions ZOS has made, and that says a lot.

Agreed, it's a nightmare as well because we HAVE to block to dodge roll on console. Let that sink in, PC players...

We can use controllers to, so I know what you mean.

I wouldn't be opposed to a 50%.

Artjuh90 · January 2016

hrothbern wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Doesn't look like lack of stam regen matters anymore with how OP everyone is this days - people adapt and CP make it that much easier. However I'm still not sure as for why this change was applied in PvE at all. It was specifically supposed to counter permablocking(and permarolling with dodgeroll cost increase) players in PvP, right? What does this have to do with some guy in a dungeon permablocking Kena or something, like AT ALL? Was there ever even any reasoning given?

There was. They stated on Reddit that they wanted to make tanking in PvE more dynamic and challenging. Which it still isnt. Tanking is still easy as hell so whatever.

Oh, they stated it on Reddit. Well that explains why I missed it. Using official forums for that would be too mainstream I suppose.

ye they seem to favor reddit over their own forum, guess that's howmutch faith they have in their own products

Sorry to say:

the posts on reddit are in general more enjoyable to read than on this forum, with all the rage, whining, the stupid trolling, narrow minded emotional blurps...

But I agree @Magdalina , @Artjuh90 , ZOS should keep this forum in honor !

they could post on both forums though if they like reddit more. there are probably alot more people on this forum who just follow things on this forum and not reddit like me. and i won't start following both forums otherwise what is the point of having this forum anyway

sirrmattus · January 2016

why wouldnt anyone care for reddit, if this is official eso forums?