Sorc healers: why?

MrDerrikk · January 2016

I ask thus because of a recent dungeons I crashed an burned on with a Sorc "healer" who only used Repid Regen, Healing Ward and Healing Springs, which on Vet Banished Cells isn't really enough for the last boss unless they're paying a lot of attention to the health of their teammates.

It made me wonder what Sorcs have going for them to make them a healer? Templars are the normal healers, NB's have siphoning, and DK's have Igneous, wheras Sorc's just seem to have the Resto Staff heals.

I'm not saying that Sorcs can't heal btw, just wondering why people make them?

Artjuh90 · January 2016

fit's to level resto staff but i found out after my first dungeon they don't really work. but i assume it's about most sorc run resto staff anyway and it's a faster que time

FriedEggSandwich · January 2016

The only thing they really have going for them is the potential for high spell damage. But as you pointed out they only have access to the resto staff heals so..
I imagine blessing of restoration can be pretty pokey in pve, but yeah sorcs don't make great healers, be afraid

Islyn · January 2016

I have a friend sorc who healed v16 vet bc the other day just fine. The hard part is no shards for tank, but we clear timed, no deaths at all.

He also has healed vet DC - some deaths, no wipes. The deaths were only due to one standing in fire at final boss. Otherwise no deaths.

I am our group's usual healer but I wanted pledges on my DK so.....

I personally prefer a Templar, but a sorc who pays attention is just fine.

Tonnopesce · January 2016

Sorcerers that heal "or pretend to " do the healers in the 90% of the case are there only to ruin other players day, dont get me wrong i've done a lot of really good runs with sorcerers healers but they where just "above the average players" even NB and DK healers need coordination to be effective and all the group have to know how to manage a not templar healer.

If you run pug just go with a templar since the chances to get another class that is not a wannabe are very low.

But yeah resto - destro sorcerers are a FOTM from game release.

Stranglehands · January 2016

What ults would you run? Negate magic is really scraping the bottom of the barrel

Tonnopesce · January 2016

Stranglehands wrote: »

What ults would you run? Negate magic is really scraping the bottom of the barrel

Barrier from the pvp skill line is an awesome panic button for not templars

Wollust · January 2016

For the vet dungeons (except WGT and ICP) you'll never need more than healing springs and occasionally healing ward/combat prayer.
A buddy of mine tankheals most vet pledges on his sorc. So I guess it's doable.

Aimora · January 2016

I love my sorcerer healer - I have healed all content up to trials ( even been 2nd healer in there) Bogdan's helm helps loads

It's more of a challenge than my Templar, but great fun - it's annoying that people assume the only good healers are Temps, a NB friend was an amazing healer too

Artjuh90 · January 2016

why do people think a tank needs shard? i main tank in the plegdes and i rarely need the shards. sure if i know the temp runs it i would be more generous with my stamina but you don't actually need it. and im at bit under 300 cp

Lucky28 · January 2016

I've healed a couple vet dungeons out of necessity. it's alright, Sorcs can stack the highest max magicka of any class, have high spell damage and often high spell crit.

Though as pointed out already. they are limited.

DRXHarbinger · January 2016

I wouldn't blame the healer. My group burned Rilis down to 2% in less than a minute. Then spent a couple waiting for daedroth to spawn and just fended off the feasts. Easy gold key. No need for a tank at all. It's just burn and sustain for a few minutes. If you cannot do that you need to be dependant on a healer. BC is far too easy. Issues with tanks again is far too low dps. Rilis doesn't even attack anyone in particular he just darts between 2 spots that's all.

MrDerrikk · January 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

I wouldn't blame the healer. My group burned Rilis down to 2% in less than a minute. Then spent a couple waiting for daedroth to spawn and just fended off the feasts. Easy gold key. No need for a tank at all. It's just burn and sustain for a few minutes. If you cannot do that you need to be dependant on a healer. BC is far too easy. Issues with tanks again is far too low dps. Rilis doesn't even attack anyone in particular he just darts between 2 spots that's all.

It was an issue of DPS, however it's still quite easy to take it slow and take down the first few Daedroth as it used to be. As I'm a Magicka DK with melee only and no maneuverability, I wasn't getting nearly the DPS I could have, so it was taking a very long time. I'll admit that the main issue in this run was the fact that nobody would take the time to talk about tactics, and would instead just run in and go nuts (especially when nobody would purge the DOT).

However, it did get me thinking about how we all could have been better, and question as to why the healer chose a Sorc to do it with. Whatever reason behind why we failed (I need to stack more health I think), I wondered how we could have done better.

DRXHarbinger · January 2016

You on console XB at all? There are 2 sorc healers on here at the moment who insist to everyone that they are beast and fail miserably. Hearing about then quite a lot. Both in AD. But for Rilis we generally just burn him, burn the Daedroth, burn Rilis again and another daedroth then when he has nothing left just all 4 makes laps and kite daedroth about and take the feasts out. Soon as the 3rd one appears it's bye bye Rilis. But never group with a sorc healer. Templar cannot be beaten just on the fact they also dps with the likes of purifying ritual, the stupid op beam too. Sorc healers will have nothing to use and won't be able to heal and dps at the same time. Sorcs can tank though if set up properly. Some are quite beast in pve.

Aimora · January 2016

I think what people also forget, runs are not just about the healer/tank's responsibility, DPS are also complicit in the success of a run. I always find if the DPS do their job then runs are actually easy.

Brrrofski · January 2016

On a pug group I can see it being an issue. With a good group of people you know, it's not an issue. I've done some, including really mobile fight like EG with a sorc healer.

Banished cells is pretty faceroll anyway. I've done it when healer disconnected before last boss. I put healing ward on my bar, tank and nb dps put vigor. 3 manned it pretty easilly.

One thing a sorc will have... Barrier.

On my sorc i have 100 points into bastion. Barrier on my sorc is 42k I believe off top of my head. So popping thay in clutch moments would help a lot I'd imagine.

teladoy · January 2016

People associate Sorcerer with the rol of healer or Priest and that's wrong.

The best healer is the Templar and there is no more discussion.

All other classes if we compare them always with templars, is like comparing two different worlds. What I mean is, templars are excelent, very good, a lot much better than any other class.

Brrrofski · January 2016

teladoy wrote: »

People associate Sorcerer with the rol of healer or Priest and that's wrong.

The best healer is the Templar and there is no more discussion.

All other classes if we compare them always with templars, is like comparing two different worlds. What I mean is, templars are excelent, very good, a lot much better than any other class.

That doean't mean others can't do it. Nothing is right or wrong. I've done dungeons with most classes playing most roles. Good players can do it with anything.

Temp healing is so easy that most the time in pledges on when I'm healing I'm DPSing. My team is good so I don't need to constantly spam breath of life. I dps and off heal/buff almost.

I'll be sure to tell the next templar I group with who wants to dps to get their healing setup on the go. That's your role!

DRXHarbinger · January 2016

People also think only a DK can tank..NB tanks are actually beast. I had one through a pug group on Grotto and couldn't belive how tough he was. Didn't die once. Sponged everything. Even that *** dude that swings an axe and steals all you magika but not stamina attack.

Vanady · January 2016

DK = Tank (chains)
Templar = Healer (repentance, blazing spears)

Still best choices. It''s possible to play all roles on every class though with some you just can't get the best out of it.

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2016

MrDerrikk wrote: »

I'll admit that the main issue in this run was the fact that nobody would take the time to talk about tactics, and would instead just run in and go nuts (especially when nobody would purge the DOT).

However, it did get me thinking about how we all could have been better, and question as to why the healer chose a Sorc to do it with. Whatever reason behind why we failed (I need to stack more health I think), I wondered how we could have done better.

There is your reason. No need to look further.

As to the eternal "only templars can heal" that is one of those stupid game-killing widespread assumptions. Templars are the best healers due to their dedicated skill line, yes, but ALL other classes can heal just fine.

Since for the time being most content is a little bit too easy, me and my guildmates have a lot of fun swapping roles. I'd tank with my glasscannon sorc-DD, the DK tank would grab a resto staff and heal, and so on. It works much better than we expected, we learn a lot by playing the same instances from another role's perspective, and most of all, we have tons of fun.

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DuckNoodles · January 2016

Iv played with some very good sorc healers, I think it all comes down to, is the players skill.

I'm a templer healer and depending on what dungeon, I am running, I equip healing spring on my bar, it is a really good heal especially when bosses are doing DoT abilitys.

Islyn · January 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

why do people think a tank needs shard? i main tank in the plegdes and i rarely need the shards. sure if i know the temp runs it i would be more generous with my stamina but you don't actually need it. and im at bit under 300 cp

Idk but the tank there did.

I've healtanked with 3 dps vet bc, vet Elden hollow and straight tanked (with a sorc healer) vet coa successfully in all light (was healer's habit gear then) with s&b and undaunted and one taunt from s&b and obvi cannot use my own shards - but the alternate morph to repentance was also good then, so....

But I am not a tank and without on point dps I think it would not have been as successful.

Calboy · January 2016

Sorcerer is a very poorly designed class. Lack of stamina morphs, lack of heavy armour options that allow a tank build that doesn't revolve around stacking magicka to increase shields and very very very VERY poor summoning options outside of using a clannfear to level. Oh, but we are capable of a very strong cookie cutter magicka dps build so I guess thats alright.

Tonnopesce · January 2016

MrDerrikk wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

I wouldn't blame the healer. My group burned Rilis down to 2% in less than a minute. Then spent a couple waiting for daedroth to spawn and just fended off the feasts. Easy gold key. No need for a tank at all. It's just burn and sustain for a few minutes. If you cannot do that you need to be dependant on a healer. BC is far too easy. Issues with tanks again is far too low dps. Rilis doesn't even attack anyone in particular he just darts between 2 spots that's all.

It was an issue of DPS, however it's still quite easy to take it slow and take down the first few Daedroth as it used to be. As I'm a Magicka DK with melee only and no maneuverability, I wasn't getting nearly the DPS I could have, so it was taking a very long time. I'll admit that the main issue in this run was the fact that nobody would take the time to talk about tactics, and would instead just run in and go nuts (especially when nobody would purge the DOT).

However, it did get me thinking about how we all could have been better, and question as to why the healer chose a Sorc to do it with. Whatever reason behind why we failed (I need to stack more health I think), I wondered how we could have done better.

Why you don't run force pulse as a ranged ability? i use my DK dual destro Single target and Aoe and i keep both Force Pulse and Molted Wiph in the single target skill bar, in fights like this one where the boss don't keep the position is very useful.
The dots are not a big issue if you can still DPS ranged, you go purge the dot and then in the comeback to melee distance you use force pulse.
Don't blame yourself blame the healer is the best choice!

Jaeysa · January 2016

MrDerrikk wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

I wouldn't blame the healer. My group burned Rilis down to 2% in less than a minute. Then spent a couple waiting for daedroth to spawn and just fended off the feasts. Easy gold key. No need for a tank at all. It's just burn and sustain for a few minutes. If you cannot do that you need to be dependant on a healer. BC is far too easy. Issues with tanks again is far too low dps. Rilis doesn't even attack anyone in particular he just darts between 2 spots that's all.

It was an issue of DPS, however it's still quite easy to take it slow and take down the first few Daedroth as it used to be. As I'm a Magicka DK with melee only and no maneuverability, I wasn't getting nearly the DPS I could have, so it was taking a very long time. I'll admit that the main issue in this run was the fact that nobody would take the time to talk about tactics, and would instead just run in and go nuts (especially when nobody would purge the DOT).

However, it did get me thinking about how we all could have been better, and question as tthe healer.o why the healer chose a Sorc to do it with. Whatever reason behind why we failed (I need to stack more health I think), I wondered how we could have done better.

Yet you made a thread all but blaming them. Which, admittedly from your description, sounds like they could have done better but was by far the least of your problems.

As for why make a sorc over a templar - I like sorcs better. Have both at Vet level, I pure and simple like my sorc better.

Sleep · January 2016

Because it's very hard for a dd to find a group. I think any experienced sorcerer healer can provide good enough healing for vet BC as long as his teammates are not running away from him or standing in fire. If you don't think the healer in your group heal good enough, try taking less damage yourself, or quit and look for another group.

Khaos_Bane · January 2016

Any class can heal all vet dungeon content and I have with my sorc, mostly out of necessity. Though the sorcerer is probably the worst healer in the game, it's more likely an indicator of a bad group of players if it cannot be done. Some players are just bad, they don't understand healing in the game.

My sorc has so much spell power that it's better for the group to stay close together and simply let me cast healing springs and out HPS most DPS.

It's my guess that the OPs group had no clue how to do vet BC and didn't cure the curse on the last boss. If that's the case any healer is going to struggle. So likely this was a group of novice players that did not understand the event.

I remember doing Vet BC when people first started doing Vet dungeons. Some just did not understand removing the curse and cursed me out for not healing them. There really isn't much you can do for people who don't understand and don't want to listen.

Refuse2GrowUp · January 2016

Aimora wrote: »

I love my sorcerer healer - I have healed all content up to trials ( even been 2nd healer in there) Bogdan's helm helps loads It's more of a challenge than my Templar, but great fun - it's annoying that people assume the only good healers are Temps, a NB friend was an amazing healer too

Mentioning that you use Bogdan Helm to heal ruins any credibility you might have as a healer

Tan9oSuccka · January 2016

Careful with this topic.

You'll have every neckbeard Sorcerer healer on here tell you that YOUR the problem.

MrDerrikk · January 2016

Jaeysa wrote: »

MrDerrikk wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

I wouldn't blame the healer. My group burned Rilis down to 2% in less than a minute. Then spent a couple waiting for daedroth to spawn and just fended off the feasts. Easy gold key. No need for a tank at all. It's just burn and sustain for a few minutes. If you cannot do that you need to be dependant on a healer. BC is far too easy. Issues with tanks again is far too low dps. Rilis doesn't even attack anyone in particular he just darts between 2 spots that's all.

It was an issue of DPS, however it's still quite easy to take it slow and take down the first few Daedroth as it used to be. As I'm a Magicka DK with melee only and no maneuverability, I wasn't getting nearly the DPS I could have, so it was taking a very long time. I'll admit that the main issue in this run was the fact that nobody would take the time to talk about tactics, and would instead just run in and go nuts (especially when nobody would purge the DOT).

However, it did get me thinking about how we all could have been better, and question as tthe healer.o why the healer chose a Sorc to do it with. Whatever reason behind why we failed (I need to stack more health I think), I wondered how we could have done better.

Yet you made a thread all but blaming them. Which, admittedly from your description, sounds like they could have done better but was by far the least of your problems.

As for why make a sorc over a templar - I like sorcs better. Have both at Vet level, I pure and simple like my sorc better.

It was less a thread about blaming the Sorc healer as the cause of the problem, as I tried to explain, but to ask why people choose Sorcs as dedicated healers and showing how I came to that question. I run a NB healer and I'm constantly over-healing peeps, so I was asking how people decide to make a Sorc one that doesn't have skills made for healing as much.

Your second paragraph though answers my question; I guess there's just people out there who like a challenge! (I like my Argonian challenge).