ShadowDisciple wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

Crows srs you became annoying. Just git gud

I'm only asking a general question.

you asked a general question and 2-3 posts later you classified the object of your question as a "nice thing to have".

Well it isnt..it just promotes a "block and load" type of playstyle that doesent benefit anyone...DD's have to do good rotations, Healers need to keep an eye on EVERYONE and Tank has to keep an eye on resources and let go off block once in a while... its finee..

the ppl who tank now are good tanks and rarely i see a bad one because of the sole purpose that it is hard to be a tank nowadays and once who comitt...suceed..

BUT NO PLS... ZOS LISTEN, ALUCARDO AND CROW NEED STAMINA RECHARGE ON BLOCK AND NEED YOU TO NER NB'S AND WRECKING BLOW PLSSSSS.... cuz otherwise they cant do squat..

At least before we had tons of ppl qqing...now only nerf threads are by you 2..

p.s. there is thread right now that says that (and lsiteb to this) : "trolls are too hard to kill in cyrodill cuz your battle leveled"...
trolls...realy???

Pve is and always will be easy, only hard pve is VMSA and that doesn't require a tank.

I more about the fact it's affecting pvp, i can no longer hold block when a nb cloaks and i lose track of them and way for the Sa/fear because ill have no stamina.

I can't bash/dodge effectively on console because it hurts my stamina regen ticks.

Also just to add on WB is broken, it's not a balance skill at all.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

You block to dodgeroll on consoles? O_O
>.<

At least before that nerf, tanks struggled less and new unexperienced players didn't just give up tanking for dd role.

There is no need for regen while blocking, the community still functions as a whole, but it is a huge disadvantage. We are missing tanks so bad for pve now, that I do most of my pledges without a tank. It's doable but also messy..

Have to hold block to bash as well.

My sustain on my s+b is terrible even with 2k regen my stamina just vanishes mainly because of don't regen when attacking and also because when i'm not attacking i'm usually healing and dodge rolling e.g. No regen ticks either way.

I should really just go stick wb on and 2 hit people with the dodgy cc/range and it's insane dmg...

Not discrediting most of what you say here, because I understand there are limitations. I play on PC, but I still face similar issues on my stam sorc in pvp. However, I want to point out that WB is not just inherently OP like many suggest. I've been tickled by a large number of WBs in my pvp experience - some people just don't do it right.

I suggest that there's more to consider here than just WB, i.e. amount of stamina, weapon power, and even some things we may easily disregard, like being skilled enough to actually land one. The more we see WB chatter on these forums, the more privy the majority of the pvp community is on how to mitigate it. In order to actually whoop someone with a WB, it needs to be well-timed, and you need to have built your character correctly.

Personally, I don't rely on WB in pvp, I use it in a variety of situations, such as when someone is clearly not trying to dodge, but instead relying on shield stacking or permablocking - a case in which WB usually wins. Outside of that, I utilize dots and CC and, surprisingly to some, light and heavy attacks. When I take my stam sorc into cyro, I don't just go for the kill on everyone I see. I play the "who can outlast the other" game, unless the other person gives me a golden opportunity to end the fight. I want to emphasize this part - gives me a golden opportunity - because that's usually the only time I land a WB anyway, is when I'm handed the opportunity. If I want to use a WB combo in cyro without being handed the chance to do so, it usually goes something like this:

Back up, use Defensive Rune & Vigor, then use ranged attacks (such as throwing blade or a bow or something) and wait for the other person to attack me. As soon as I see them wind up for an attack or start to cast, bar swap + crit rush, then WB, light attack, and then usually executioner. As I'm sure is evident from this rotation, the WB doesn't just get handed over on a silver platter. The Defensive Rune is what allows me to force someone into, otherwise it's almost always dodged.

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

Crows srs you became annoying. Just git gud

I'm only asking a general question.

you asked a general question and 2-3 posts later you classified the object of your question as a "nice thing to have".

Well it isnt..it just promotes a "block and load" type of playstyle that doesent benefit anyone...DD's have to do good rotations, Healers need to keep an eye on EVERYONE and Tank has to keep an eye on resources and let go off block once in a while... its finee..

the ppl who tank now are good tanks and rarely i see a bad one because of the sole purpose that it is hard to be a tank nowadays and once who comitt...suceed..

BUT NO PLS... ZOS LISTEN, ALUCARDO AND CROW NEED STAMINA RECHARGE ON BLOCK AND NEED YOU TO NER NB'S AND WRECKING BLOW PLSSSSS.... cuz otherwise they cant do squat..

At least before we had tons of ppl qqing...now only nerf threads are by you 2..

p.s. there is thread right now that says that (and lsiteb to this) : "trolls are too hard to kill in cyrodill cuz your battle leveled"...
trolls...realy???

Pve is and always will be easy, only hard pve is VMSA and that doesn't require a tank.

I more about the fact it's affecting pvp, i can no longer hold block when a nb cloaks and i lose track of them and way for the Sa/fear because ill have no stamina.

I can't bash/dodge effectively on console because it hurts my stamina regen ticks.

Also just to add on WB is broken, it's not a balance skill at all.

Maybe it's time for decaf?


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ShadowDisciple wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

Crows srs you became annoying. Just git gud

I'm only asking a general question.

you asked a general question and 2-3 posts later you classified the object of your question as a "nice thing to have".

Well it isnt..it just promotes a "block and load" type of playstyle that doesent benefit anyone...DD's have to do good rotations, Healers need to keep an eye on EVERYONE and Tank has to keep an eye on resources and let go off block once in a while... its finee..

the ppl who tank now are good tanks and rarely i see a bad one because of the sole purpose that it is hard to be a tank nowadays and once who comitt...suceed..

BUT NO PLS... ZOS LISTEN, ALUCARDO AND CROW NEED STAMINA RECHARGE ON BLOCK AND NEED YOU TO NER NB'S AND WRECKING BLOW PLSSSSS.... cuz otherwise they cant do squat..

At least before we had tons of ppl qqing...now only nerf threads are by you 2..

p.s. there is thread right now that says that (and lsiteb to this) : "trolls are too hard to kill in cyrodill cuz your battle leveled"...
trolls...realy???

Pve is and always will be easy, only hard pve is VMSA and that doesn't require a tank.

I more about the fact it's affecting pvp, i can no longer hold block when a nb cloaks and i lose track of them and way for the Sa/fear because ill have no stamina.

I can't bash/dodge effectively on console because it hurts my stamina regen ticks.

Also just to add on WB is broken, it's not a balance skill at all.

i get what your saying bro... i dont pve...cuz i dont like it..repetitive grind for what, few extra stat points..blehh..i do every content once and im done with it... i am a pvper and i was since the year 2004 when i played my first mmo (tibia and everquest bit later...then all major mmo's since then lol).....

I dont care about WB...but i agree its a lil broken..i can deal with it but sometimes its a pain i agree...but not nearly as much broken as people describe it to be...still a bit broken tough.

Alsoi am getting PS4 in 2 days and I SWEAR TO GOD ILL BUY ESO JUST SO I CAN FIND CROWSDESCEND AND ABUSE HIM WITH CLOAK+WB COMBO....I WILL RUSH HIS GROUP AND LITERALLY SPAM CLOACK+WB UNTIL I DIE AND REPEAT FOR HOWEVER LONG I FIND IT AMUSING...ill even consider buying a jester costume just so i make it a tad more amusing

OH YEAH?! WELL... COME AND FIND ME THEN!

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

Crows srs you became annoying. Just git gud

I'm only asking a general question.

you asked a general question and 2-3 posts later you classified the object of your question as a "nice thing to have".

Well it isnt..it just promotes a "block and load" type of playstyle that doesent benefit anyone...DD's have to do good rotations, Healers need to keep an eye on EVERYONE and Tank has to keep an eye on resources and let go off block once in a while... its finee..

the ppl who tank now are good tanks and rarely i see a bad one because of the sole purpose that it is hard to be a tank nowadays and once who comitt...suceed..

BUT NO PLS... ZOS LISTEN, ALUCARDO AND CROW NEED STAMINA RECHARGE ON BLOCK AND NEED YOU TO NER NB'S AND WRECKING BLOW PLSSSSS.... cuz otherwise they cant do squat..

At least before we had tons of ppl qqing...now only nerf threads are by you 2..

p.s. there is thread right now that says that (and lsiteb to this) : "trolls are too hard to kill in cyrodill cuz your battle leveled"...
trolls...realy???

Pve is and always will be easy, only hard pve is VMSA and that doesn't require a tank.

I more about the fact it's affecting pvp, i can no longer hold block when a nb cloaks and i lose track of them and way for the Sa/fear because ill have no stamina.

I can't bash/dodge effectively on console because it hurts my stamina regen ticks.

Also just to add on WB is broken, it's not a balance skill at all.

i get what your saying bro... i dont pve...cuz i dont like it..repetitive grind for what, few extra stat points..blehh..i do every content once and im done with it... i am a pvper and i was since the year 2004 when i played my first mmo (tibia and everquest bit later...then all major mmo's since then lol).....

I dont care about WB...but i agree its a lil broken..i can deal with it but sometimes its a pain i agree...but not nearly as much broken as people describe it to be...still a bit broken tough.

Alsoi am getting PS4 in 2 days and I SWEAR TO GOD ILL BUY ESO JUST SO I CAN FIND CROWSDESCEND AND ABUSE HIM WITH CLOAK+WB COMBO....I WILL RUSH HIS GROUP AND LITERALLY SPAM CLOACK+WB UNTIL I DIE AND REPEAT FOR HOWEVER LONG I FIND IT AMUSING...ill even consider buying a jester costume just so i make it a tad more amusing

OH YEAH?! WELL... COME AND FIND ME THEN!

tbh i tought about how to do it but i saw your signature and it made things easier xD

hahaha damn it

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

I was hoping something like this would be implimented alongside the nerf take a read: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/228257/reflex-blocking-a-new-defense-concept#latest

Took a look at your suggestion, as I hadn't seen it before. It's not a bad idea. I really like gearing things towards skill, but I'm sure upon further examination or during actual implementation there would be setbacks, as with anything.

Still, a good concept and would be fun/interesting to explore further. Not entirely sure it's necessary anymore though, as most of us have long since adapted. But hey, there's no reason to nix a good idea just because we simply "got used to it."

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

xellink wrote: »

nope, when cps caps are raised, people will start block casting again. Also promotes bad habits.

This is why they should simply remove the ability to block cast and let stamina regen while blocking again.

Believe it or not, it was MONTHS after ESO launched that I even figured out block casting was possible! I had never played a game that let you block and attack at the same time, so I never bothered trying. Block casting is both illogical and counter-intuitive... it never should have been in the game in the first place.

I definitely understand your reasoning, but I have to say that I disagree with the idea that block casting is counter-intuitive. There are definitely some skills for which this is true - I will back you up on that. But there are many (especially for tanks) that make sense. Now, if some of those skills, which are actually logical in terms of being able to block cast them, are more commonly used by tanks, then this pretty much supports your argument: Just bring back regen while blocking.

I still sit on the fence with this issue. But hey, what's it gonna hurt to throw in my 2 septims?

acw37162 wrote: »

The removal of stamina regen while blocking is one of my least favorite additions to the game, on top of the fact it's buggy as hell it seems that ways to me. You try to dodge roll or so much as tap block in a Zerg fest all of the sudden you go from 60% to 0 stamina and it always seems to be related this.

Also the introduction of no stamina regen while blocking introduced the whole pemanent stamina glitch and is prob behind the new one.

That is ONE thing that I noticed and I couldn't explain it! I'm trying to escape from groups and if I block for just one second, there goes all my stamina, even on my sword & board bar with the passives and CPs in decreasing my block cost by around 8%, which is about.. a total of 46% reduced cost to blocking turns out to be irrelevant due to that "bug"

CrowsDescend wrote: »

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

Crows srs you became annoying. Just git gud

I'm only asking a general question.

you asked a general question and 2-3 posts later you classified the object of your question as a "nice thing to have".

Well it isnt..it just promotes a "block and load" type of playstyle that doesent benefit anyone...DD's have to do good rotations, Healers need to keep an eye on EVERYONE and Tank has to keep an eye on resources and let go off block once in a while... its finee..

the ppl who tank now are good tanks and rarely i see a bad one because of the sole purpose that it is hard to be a tank nowadays and once who comitt...suceed..

BUT NO PLS... ZOS LISTEN, ALUCARDO AND CROW NEED STAMINA RECHARGE ON BLOCK AND NEED YOU TO NER NB'S AND WRECKING BLOW PLSSSSS.... cuz otherwise they cant do squat..

At least before we had tons of ppl qqing...now only nerf threads are by you 2..

p.s. there is thread right now that says that (and lsiteb to this) : "trolls are too hard to kill in cyrodill cuz your battle leveled"...
trolls...realy???

Lol and by the way, I brought it up because mainly it effects PvP, even though it was PvP players (and permablockers in PvE maybe?) that got it nerfed, but... I don't know. This isn't a nerf thread btw! this is simply a question/thought. Stamina stopping completely while blocking was harsh in my opinion. Even if it was just slowed down by 70%, that would have been better.

20% stamina regen when blocking could be ok i guess

Autolycus wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

xellink wrote: »

nope, when cps caps are raised, people will start block casting again. Also promotes bad habits.

This is why they should simply remove the ability to block cast and let stamina regen while blocking again.

Believe it or not, it was MONTHS after ESO launched that I even figured out block casting was possible! I had never played a game that let you block and attack at the same time, so I never bothered trying. Block casting is both illogical and counter-intuitive... it never should have been in the game in the first place.

I definitely understand your reasoning, but I have to say that I disagree with the idea that block casting is counter-intuitive. There are definitely some skills for which this is true - I will back you up on that. But there are many (especially for tanks) that make sense. Now, if some of those skills, which are actually logical in terms of being able to block cast them, are more commonly used by tanks, then this pretty much supports your argument: Just bring back regen while blocking.

I still sit on the fence with this issue. But hey, what's it gonna hurt to throw in my 2 septims?

Blocking while casting = cheating

Stamina regen nerf killed Magicka DKs. It was the last nail in their coffin. What @Wrobel should do was to introduce a new debuff 75% less damage and healing which should be active while you are holding block.

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Stamina regen nerf killed Magicka DKs. It was the last nail in their coffin. What @Wrobel should do was to introduce a new debuff 75% less damage and healing which should be active while you are holding block.

Now that's an even better suggestion.

If @Wrobel was wise and did something similar to that, then even tanks would be viable in PvP again. A tank will be able to turtle and CC the enemies. Now a tank try to turtle and die faster than a Sorc in 7 light. But again this is @Wrobel 's logic and his vision to the game. Now if somebody tells me that this change was for PvE that would be so wrong. Now my tank DK can hold block all the time with 2.5k magicka recovery and 30k stamina.

sirrmattus wrote: »

Blocking while casting = cheating

Lol @sirrmattus ....

When are you going to grow up? Are you really blaming me for the admins deleting all of your rage posts? You know, the ones where you started swearing and flaming at every person in the thread, even though you were the only person in the entire discussion who disagreed?

Stop following me around and commenting on everything I have to say, because whether you like it or not, I'm going to continue to have discussions with other people on the forums about this game. I told you before your rage posts were deleted that I would give you one more chance to be mature before I wrote you off - and then cussed me out like a child. Don't bother quoting me or messaging me anymore - I will never help you again.

sirrmattus wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

Blocking while casting = cheating

Lol @sirrmattus ....

When are you going to grow up? Are you really blaming me for the admins deleting all of your rage posts? You know, the ones where you started swearing and flaming at every person in the thread, even though you were the only person in the entire discussion who disagreed?

Stop following me around and commenting on everything I have to say, because whether you like it or not, I'm going to continue to have discussions with other people on the forums about this game. I told you before your rage posts were deleted that I would give you one more chance to be mature before I wrote you off - and then cussed me out like a child. Don't bother quoting me or messaging me anymore - I will never help you again.

You didnt help me before and you arent helping now. You are a perma-blocking, block-casting tank trying to give advice. L2P bro.

When I first learned of block casting I was baffled. It's cheap and cheat.

You didn't listen before, all you did was swear at me and everyone else like a child. You didn't get help because you didn't listen. Permablocking isn't always easy to do, and it's not cheap. If you can manage your resources well enough to permablock, then you're doing it right. It's in the game, and therefor it is not cheating. Quit following me around - I'm tired of being harassed by someone who can't carry a mature conversation. I spend 90% of my time on these forums trying to help people, and all you do is quote me and QQ.

sirrmattus wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

Blocking while casting = cheating

Lol @sirrmattus ....

When are you going to grow up? Are you really blaming me for the admins deleting all of your rage posts? You know, the ones where you started swearing and flaming at every person in the thread, even though you were the only person in the entire discussion who disagreed?

Stop following me around and commenting on everything I have to say, because whether you like it or not, I'm going to continue to have discussions with other people on the forums about this game. I told you before your rage posts were deleted that I would give you one more chance to be mature before I wrote you off - and then cussed me out like a child. Don't bother quoting me or messaging me anymore - I will never help you again.

You didnt help me before and you arent helping now. You are a perma-blocking, block-casting tank trying to give advice. L2P bro.

When I first learned of block casting I was baffled. It's cheap and cheat.

That's your personal opinion. It definitely doesn't fall under cheat as it is an intended mechanic so please refrain from throwing around random accusations like a 12 year old.


Block casting is completely needed for one simple reason: The latency in this game is too crappy to not allow blockcasting. But as we have seen, ZoS is all about removing defensive mechanics. Just watch how cloak is gonna get the nerfhammer next. That's what we get for the constant QQ from noobs being outplayed because they simply suck and don't want to l2p.