Templar ???
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Lisbette✭✭✭Templar, as @hammayolettuce stated, is in a good spot.
Templar is the most balanced class in the game right now. It excels at some things, but it also lacks some things. That's what a balanced class is.
The only changes I think should occur:
-Radiant Destruction shouldn't be dodgeable
-Purifying Light should be able to crit
-Explosive Charge should have a snare or something(Kinda weak atm)
-Fix bugs associated with Focused Charge
-Vampires Bane should be "Magic" damage not "Flame" damage
-Activating a Dawn's Wrath ability gives you 5% spell damage(Minor Sorcery). A different Templar passive gives 6% weapon damage(not a major/minor buff) without requiring anything slotted. Since Templar is seen as a weaker DPS class, a balanced change can be adding a 6% spell damage bonus to the weapon damage passive and changing the 5% spell damage from using a dawn's wrath ability to 5% overall damage
As you can see, these aren't OP, drastic changes. Most of them are minor tweaks to passives or abilities(much of which aren't working as intended).
This plus give us Blinding Flashes back. A magicka Major Evasion buff would go a long way in improving survivability.
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americansteel✭✭✭✭americansteel wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »The only place Templars excel right now is group healing. They are inferior in all other builds/roles. I'm holding on to hope that @Wrobel and his posse have plans to rectify this.
What? Group healing? Templars are great right now...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4909f4zuzA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZuCX1GfLk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDU-jnv97Zo
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Do not confuse good Templar's with them being in a good place, big difference.
Templars in general need very minor adjustments. Overall the class as a whole is very well balanced. Small things like the passive that gives minor sorcery should give the equivalent for weapon dmg. If anyone playing magicka templar is having issues with sustain, dps, survivabilty it is honestly an issue with their overall build. The real issue with templars is they fall victim to the same thing DKs do which is an effective mobility tool.Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now
Do you even play this game? 1 BoL can heal as high as 13k .. how is rapid regen even an example of how templar heals arent needed haha .. I would pick 1 Templar healer over 8 people using rapid regen.
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13k BOL, I'm assuming you mean without looking at the tool tip or crits because even if you go close to Templars Max SD it's around 10k but at that point you wouldn't be built for healing because you'd have little sustain. And if you decide to go with recovery it lowers your heal with bol, one of the thing's that makes bol good is it's a very quick heal.
And Templar's as a whole are in a rough spot, I refuse to believe they're underplayed simply because of the lack of mobility. We're not even meant to be mobile, we're meant to stand our ground though we don't have many skills to back that.
spot on.
Purifying ritual alone negates meteor, crystal frags, and host of single target spells that give a status effect. That skill +channeled focus add to your healing. You'll need 10 minimum CP into quick recovery, at least 10 into blessed if DPS to take advantage of our healing passives (if magicka.). Stam has its negatives! But penetration is a templars native bonus to stam with weapon dmg passive.
Issue is, we only have builds for NB and Sorc's. How they are built differ from templars and DKs akillwise and gearwise. So we shouldn't be looking at straight dmg/stat pool stack and pretend it works like it does for the other classes.
bottom line we suck.
my dark flare hits 12.4k but my main DPS source hits under 5k even with 330cp. my V1 sorc CF hits ford 5.3kNO LONGER PLAYING ESO
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✭✭✭✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »The only place Templars excel right now is group healing. They are inferior in all other builds/roles. I'm holding on to hope that @Wrobel and his posse have plans to rectify this.
What? Group healing? Templars are great right now...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4909f4zuzAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZuCX1GfLkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDU-jnv97Zo
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Do not confuse good Templar's with them being in a good place, big difference.
Templars in general need very minor adjustments. Overall the class as a whole is very well balanced. Small things like the passive that gives minor sorcery should give the equivalent for weapon dmg. If anyone playing magicka templar is having issues with sustain, dps, survivabilty it is honestly an issue with their overall build. The real issue with templars is they fall victim to the same thing DKs do which is an effective mobility tool.Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now
Do you even play this game? 1 BoL can heal as high as 13k .. how is rapid regen even an example of how templar heals arent needed haha .. I would pick 1 Templar healer over 8 people using rapid regen.
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13k BOL, I'm assuming you mean without looking at the tool tip or crits because even if you go close to Templars Max SD it's around 10k but at that point you wouldn't be built for healing because you'd have little sustain. And if you decide to go with recovery it lowers your heal with bol, one of the thing's that makes bol good is it's a very quick heal.
And Templar's as a whole are in a rough spot, I refuse to believe they're underplayed simply because of the lack of mobility. We're not even meant to be mobile, we're meant to stand our ground though we don't have many skills to back that.
Templars are underplayed??? What game are you guys playing? Cyro is filled with groups running NBs and templars. All of them.Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now
Rapid regen replacing templars??? Theyre disappearing? Serioulsy who are these people posting?1 -
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✭✭✭✭americansteel wrote: »americansteel wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »The only place Templars excel right now is group healing. They are inferior in all other builds/roles. I'm holding on to hope that @Wrobel and his posse have plans to rectify this.
What? Group healing? Templars are great right now...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4909f4zuzAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZuCX1GfLkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDU-jnv97Zo
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Do not confuse good Templar's with them being in a good place, big difference.
Templars in general need very minor adjustments. Overall the class as a whole is very well balanced. Small things like the passive that gives minor sorcery should give the equivalent for weapon dmg. If anyone playing magicka templar is having issues with sustain, dps, survivabilty it is honestly an issue with their overall build. The real issue with templars is they fall victim to the same thing DKs do which is an effective mobility tool.Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now
Do you even play this game? 1 BoL can heal as high as 13k .. how is rapid regen even an example of how templar heals arent needed haha .. I would pick 1 Templar healer over 8 people using rapid regen.
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13k BOL, I'm assuming you mean without looking at the tool tip or crits because even if you go close to Templars Max SD it's around 10k but at that point you wouldn't be built for healing because you'd have little sustain. And if you decide to go with recovery it lowers your heal with bol, one of the thing's that makes bol good is it's a very quick heal.
And Templar's as a whole are in a rough spot, I refuse to believe they're underplayed simply because of the lack of mobility. We're not even meant to be mobile, we're meant to stand our ground though we don't have many skills to back that.
spot on.
Purifying ritual alone negates meteor, crystal frags, and host of single target spells that give a status effect. That skill +channeled focus add to your healing. You'll need 10 minimum CP into quick recovery, at least 10 into blessed if DPS to take advantage of our healing passives (if magicka.). Stam has its negatives! But penetration is a templars native bonus to stam with weapon dmg passive.
Issue is, we only have builds for NB and Sorc's. How they are built differ from templars and DKs akillwise and gearwise. So we shouldn't be looking at straight dmg/stat pool stack and pretend it works like it does for the other classes.
bottom line we suck.
my dark flare hits 12.4k but my main DPS source hits under 5k even with 330cp. my V1 sorc CF hits ford 5.3k
Battle leveling lets you hit harder at V1. Syphers V1 stamplar performs very well due to battle spirit.0 -
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I got a stamblade for thatAD // Marc the Epic Goat // Templar // AR50
EP // The Goatfather // Templar // AR44
AD // Unforgoatable // Sorc // AR33
EP // You Goat Rekt // NB // AR28
EP // Bill Goats // Swarden // AR28
AD // Goat Ya // NB // AR24
AD // Unforgoatten // StamDK // AR 21
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✭caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »Also templar is the only class that seems to have an entire class skill line solely dedicated to non offensive gameplay ... Which may be the lynch pin to why the class is balanced
Not true. Negating meteor, curse, crystal frags and a few other skills using puryfing ritual sets you up for offensive moments. I'd say it's a strength not a disadvantage.
By no means am I saying it isn't vital or a weakness.. I'm just stipulating that templar is the only class that has an entire skills tree delegated to simply support which may in fact be why they are balanced as a class because they don't have a myriad of class skill cohesive synergy which garnishes the give and take and pros and cons of the class.Rhage Lionpride DC Stamina Templar
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americansteel✭✭✭✭americansteel wrote: »americansteel wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »The only place Templars excel right now is group healing. They are inferior in all other builds/roles. I'm holding on to hope that @Wrobel and his posse have plans to rectify this.
What? Group healing? Templars are great right now...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4909f4zuzAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZuCX1GfLkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDU-jnv97Zo
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Do not confuse good Templar's with them being in a good place, big difference.
Templars in general need very minor adjustments. Overall the class as a whole is very well balanced. Small things like the passive that gives minor sorcery should give the equivalent for weapon dmg. If anyone playing magicka templar is having issues with sustain, dps, survivabilty it is honestly an issue with their overall build. The real issue with templars is they fall victim to the same thing DKs do which is an effective mobility tool.Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now
Do you even play this game? 1 BoL can heal as high as 13k .. how is rapid regen even an example of how templar heals arent needed haha .. I would pick 1 Templar healer over 8 people using rapid regen.
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13k BOL, I'm assuming you mean without looking at the tool tip or crits because even if you go close to Templars Max SD it's around 10k but at that point you wouldn't be built for healing because you'd have little sustain. And if you decide to go with recovery it lowers your heal with bol, one of the thing's that makes bol good is it's a very quick heal.
And Templar's as a whole are in a rough spot, I refuse to believe they're underplayed simply because of the lack of mobility. We're not even meant to be mobile, we're meant to stand our ground though we don't have many skills to back that.
spot on.
Purifying ritual alone negates meteor, crystal frags, and host of single target spells that give a status effect. That skill +channeled focus add to your healing. You'll need 10 minimum CP into quick recovery, at least 10 into blessed if DPS to take advantage of our healing passives (if magicka.). Stam has its negatives! But penetration is a templars native bonus to stam with weapon dmg passive.
Issue is, we only have builds for NB and Sorc's. How they are built differ from templars and DKs akillwise and gearwise. So we shouldn't be looking at straight dmg/stat pool stack and pretend it works like it does for the other classes.
bottom line we suck.
my dark flare hits 12.4k but my main DPS source hits under 5k even with 330cp. my V1 sorc CF hits ford 5.3k
Battle leveling lets you hit harder at V1. Syphers V1 stamplar performs very well due to battle spirit.
this is out side of cyrodiil.NO LONGER PLAYING ESO
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✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »The only place Templars excel right now is group healing. They are inferior in all other builds/roles. I'm holding on to hope that @Wrobel and his posse have plans to rectify this.
What? Group healing? Templars are great right now...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4909f4zuzAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZuCX1GfLkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDU-jnv97Zo
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Do not confuse good Templar's with them being in a good place, big difference.
Templars in general need very minor adjustments. Overall the class as a whole is very well balanced. Small things like the passive that gives minor sorcery should give the equivalent for weapon dmg. If anyone playing magicka templar is having issues with sustain, dps, survivabilty it is honestly an issue with their overall build. The real issue with templars is they fall victim to the same thing DKs do which is an effective mobility tool.Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now
Do you even play this game? 1 BoL can heal as high as 13k .. how is rapid regen even an example of how templar heals arent needed haha .. I would pick 1 Templar healer over 8 people using rapid regen.
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13k BOL, I'm assuming you mean without looking at the tool tip or crits because even if you go close to Templars Max SD it's around 10k but at that point you wouldn't be built for healing because you'd have little sustain. And if you decide to go with recovery it lowers your heal with bol, one of the thing's that makes bol good is it's a very quick heal.
And Templar's as a whole are in a rough spot, I refuse to believe they're underplayed simply because of the lack of mobility. We're not even meant to be mobile, we're meant to stand our ground though we don't have many skills to back that.
Templars are underplayed??? What game are you guys playing? Cyro is filled with groups running NBs and templars. All of them.Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now
Rapid regen replacing templars??? Theyre disappearing? Serioulsy who are these people posting?
Most people are playing nbs and sorcs. Templars and dks are usually the longest bounties for me to complete and I play large scale pvp, not just small scale. And I play on console where we have a bigger player base, at least bigger than PC NA.
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✭✭✭✭✭caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »Also templar is the only class that seems to have an entire class skill line solely dedicated to non offensive gameplay ... Which may be the lynch pin to why the class is balanced
Not true. Negating meteor, curse, crystal frags and a few other skills using puryfing ritual sets you up for offensive moments. I'd say it's a strength not a disadvantage.
By no means am I saying it isn't vital or a weakness.. I'm just stipulating that templar is the only class that has an entire skills tree delegated to simply support which may in fact be why they are balanced as a class because they don't have a myriad of class skill cohesive synergy which garnishes the give and take and pros and cons of the class.
Right on! Your point is very valid and on spot! My apologiesMinno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭✭✭✭americansteel wrote: »americansteel wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »The only place Templars excel right now is group healing. They are inferior in all other builds/roles. I'm holding on to hope that @Wrobel and his posse have plans to rectify this.
What? Group healing? Templars are great right now...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4909f4zuzAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZuCX1GfLkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDU-jnv97Zo
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Do not confuse good Templar's with them being in a good place, big difference.
Templars in general need very minor adjustments. Overall the class as a whole is very well balanced. Small things like the passive that gives minor sorcery should give the equivalent for weapon dmg. If anyone playing magicka templar is having issues with sustain, dps, survivabilty it is honestly an issue with their overall build. The real issue with templars is they fall victim to the same thing DKs do which is an effective mobility tool.Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now
Do you even play this game? 1 BoL can heal as high as 13k .. how is rapid regen even an example of how templar heals arent needed haha .. I would pick 1 Templar healer over 8 people using rapid regen.
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13k BOL, I'm assuming you mean without looking at the tool tip or crits because even if you go close to Templars Max SD it's around 10k but at that point you wouldn't be built for healing because you'd have little sustain. And if you decide to go with recovery it lowers your heal with bol, one of the thing's that makes bol good is it's a very quick heal.
And Templar's as a whole are in a rough spot, I refuse to believe they're underplayed simply because of the lack of mobility. We're not even meant to be mobile, we're meant to stand our ground though we don't have many skills to back that.
spot on.
Purifying ritual alone negates meteor, crystal frags, and host of single target spells that give a status effect. That skill +channeled focus add to your healing. You'll need 10 minimum CP into quick recovery, at least 10 into blessed if DPS to take advantage of our healing passives (if magicka.). Stam has its negatives! But penetration is a templars native bonus to stam with weapon dmg passive.
Issue is, we only have builds for NB and Sorc's. How they are built differ from templars and DKs akillwise and gearwise. So we shouldn't be looking at straight dmg/stat pool stack and pretend it works like it does for the other classes.
bottom line we suck.
my dark flare hits 12.4k but my main DPS source hits under 5k even with 330cp. my V1 sorc CF hits ford 5.3k
Battle leveling lets you hit harder at V1. Syphers V1 stamplar performs very well due to battle spirit.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »The only place Templars excel right now is group healing. They are inferior in all other builds/roles. I'm holding on to hope that @Wrobel and his posse have plans to rectify this.
What? Group healing? Templars are great right now...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4909f4zuzAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZuCX1GfLkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDU-jnv97Zo
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Do not confuse good Templar's with them being in a good place, big difference.
Templars in general need very minor adjustments. Overall the class as a whole is very well balanced. Small things like the passive that gives minor sorcery should give the equivalent for weapon dmg. If anyone playing magicka templar is having issues with sustain, dps, survivabilty it is honestly an issue with their overall build. The real issue with templars is they fall victim to the same thing DKs do which is an effective mobility tool.Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now
Do you even play this game? 1 BoL can heal as high as 13k .. how is rapid regen even an example of how templar heals arent needed haha .. I would pick 1 Templar healer over 8 people using rapid regen.
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13k BOL, I'm assuming you mean without looking at the tool tip or crits because even if you go close to Templars Max SD it's around 10k but at that point you wouldn't be built for healing because you'd have little sustain. And if you decide to go with recovery it lowers your heal with bol, one of the thing's that makes bol good is it's a very quick heal.
And Templar's as a whole are in a rough spot, I refuse to believe they're underplayed simply because of the lack of mobility. We're not even meant to be mobile, we're meant to stand our ground though we don't have many skills to back that.
Templars are underplayed??? What game are you guys playing? Cyro is filled with groups running NBs and templars. All of them.Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now
Rapid regen replacing templars??? Theyre disappearing? Serioulsy who are these people posting?
Most people are playing nbs and sorcs. Templars and dks are usually the longest bounties for me to complete and I play large scale pvp, not just small scale. And I play on console where we have a bigger player base, at least bigger than PC NA.
NB and sorc are the best for going out and soloing abroad. Groups are packed with templars, all of them.1 -
gw2only1b14_ESO✭✭✭americansteel wrote: »americansteel wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »The only place Templars excel right now is group healing. They are inferior in all other builds/roles. I'm holding on to hope that @Wrobel and his posse have plans to rectify this.
What? Group healing? Templars are great right now...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4909f4zuzAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZuCX1GfLkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDU-jnv97Zo
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Do not confuse good Templar's with them being in a good place, big difference.
Templars in general need very minor adjustments. Overall the class as a whole is very well balanced. Small things like the passive that gives minor sorcery should give the equivalent for weapon dmg. If anyone playing magicka templar is having issues with sustain, dps, survivabilty it is honestly an issue with their overall build. The real issue with templars is they fall victim to the same thing DKs do which is an effective mobility tool.Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now
Do you even play this game? 1 BoL can heal as high as 13k .. how is rapid regen even an example of how templar heals arent needed haha .. I would pick 1 Templar healer over 8 people using rapid regen.
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13k BOL, I'm assuming you mean without looking at the tool tip or crits because even if you go close to Templars Max SD it's around 10k but at that point you wouldn't be built for healing because you'd have little sustain. And if you decide to go with recovery it lowers your heal with bol, one of the thing's that makes bol good is it's a very quick heal.
And Templar's as a whole are in a rough spot, I refuse to believe they're underplayed simply because of the lack of mobility. We're not even meant to be mobile, we're meant to stand our ground though we don't have many skills to back that.
spot on.
Purifying ritual alone negates meteor, crystal frags, and host of single target spells that give a status effect. That skill +channeled focus add to your healing. You'll need 10 minimum CP into quick recovery, at least 10 into blessed if DPS to take advantage of our healing passives (if magicka.). Stam has its negatives! But penetration is a templars native bonus to stam with weapon dmg passive.
Issue is, we only have builds for NB and Sorc's. How they are built differ from templars and DKs akillwise and gearwise. So we shouldn't be looking at straight dmg/stat pool stack and pretend it works like it does for the other classes.
bottom line we suck.
my dark flare hits 12.4k but my main DPS source hits under 5k even with 330cp. my V1 sorc CF hits ford 5.3k
Battle leveling lets you hit harder at V1. Syphers V1 stamplar performs very well due to battle spirit.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »The only place Templars excel right now is group healing. They are inferior in all other builds/roles. I'm holding on to hope that @Wrobel and his posse have plans to rectify this.
What? Group healing? Templars are great right now...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4909f4zuzAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZuCX1GfLkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDU-jnv97Zo
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Do not confuse good Templar's with them being in a good place, big difference.
Templars in general need very minor adjustments. Overall the class as a whole is very well balanced. Small things like the passive that gives minor sorcery should give the equivalent for weapon dmg. If anyone playing magicka templar is having issues with sustain, dps, survivabilty it is honestly an issue with their overall build. The real issue with templars is they fall victim to the same thing DKs do which is an effective mobility tool.Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now
Do you even play this game? 1 BoL can heal as high as 13k .. how is rapid regen even an example of how templar heals arent needed haha .. I would pick 1 Templar healer over 8 people using rapid regen.
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13k BOL, I'm assuming you mean without looking at the tool tip or crits because even if you go close to Templars Max SD it's around 10k but at that point you wouldn't be built for healing because you'd have little sustain. And if you decide to go with recovery it lowers your heal with bol, one of the thing's that makes bol good is it's a very quick heal.
And Templar's as a whole are in a rough spot, I refuse to believe they're underplayed simply because of the lack of mobility. We're not even meant to be mobile, we're meant to stand our ground though we don't have many skills to back that.
Templars are underplayed??? What game are you guys playing? Cyro is filled with groups running NBs and templars. All of them.Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now
Rapid regen replacing templars??? Theyre disappearing? Serioulsy who are these people posting?
Most people are playing nbs and sorcs. Templars and dks are usually the longest bounties for me to complete and I play large scale pvp, not just small scale. And I play on console where we have a bigger player base, at least bigger than PC NA.
NB and sorc are the best for going out and soloing abroad. Groups are packed with templars, all of them.
Waite I know the real answer to this .......DK and templar have no escape mechanic thus they must roam in a small group or a group To be singled out from the herd can be insta (cheese) death.
On another note since the end of 2015 are there any templars still out there of note that make a sorc or Nb quake in there boots?1 -
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✭✭✭✭gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »americansteel wrote: »americansteel wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »The only place Templars excel right now is group healing. They are inferior in all other builds/roles. I'm holding on to hope that @Wrobel and his posse have plans to rectify this.
What? Group healing? Templars are great right now...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4909f4zuzAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZuCX1GfLkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDU-jnv97Zo
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Do not confuse good Templar's with them being in a good place, big difference.
Templars in general need very minor adjustments. Overall the class as a whole is very well balanced. Small things like the passive that gives minor sorcery should give the equivalent for weapon dmg. If anyone playing magicka templar is having issues with sustain, dps, survivabilty it is honestly an issue with their overall build. The real issue with templars is they fall victim to the same thing DKs do which is an effective mobility tool.Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now
Do you even play this game? 1 BoL can heal as high as 13k .. how is rapid regen even an example of how templar heals arent needed haha .. I would pick 1 Templar healer over 8 people using rapid regen.
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13k BOL, I'm assuming you mean without looking at the tool tip or crits because even if you go close to Templars Max SD it's around 10k but at that point you wouldn't be built for healing because you'd have little sustain. And if you decide to go with recovery it lowers your heal with bol, one of the thing's that makes bol good is it's a very quick heal.
And Templar's as a whole are in a rough spot, I refuse to believe they're underplayed simply because of the lack of mobility. We're not even meant to be mobile, we're meant to stand our ground though we don't have many skills to back that.
spot on.
Purifying ritual alone negates meteor, crystal frags, and host of single target spells that give a status effect. That skill +channeled focus add to your healing. You'll need 10 minimum CP into quick recovery, at least 10 into blessed if DPS to take advantage of our healing passives (if magicka.). Stam has its negatives! But penetration is a templars native bonus to stam with weapon dmg passive.
Issue is, we only have builds for NB and Sorc's. How they are built differ from templars and DKs akillwise and gearwise. So we shouldn't be looking at straight dmg/stat pool stack and pretend it works like it does for the other classes.
bottom line we suck.
my dark flare hits 12.4k but my main DPS source hits under 5k even with 330cp. my V1 sorc CF hits ford 5.3k
Battle leveling lets you hit harder at V1. Syphers V1 stamplar performs very well due to battle spirit.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »The only place Templars excel right now is group healing. They are inferior in all other builds/roles. I'm holding on to hope that @Wrobel and his posse have plans to rectify this.
What? Group healing? Templars are great right now...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4909f4zuzAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZuCX1GfLkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDU-jnv97Zo
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Do not confuse good Templar's with them being in a good place, big difference.
Templars in general need very minor adjustments. Overall the class as a whole is very well balanced. Small things like the passive that gives minor sorcery should give the equivalent for weapon dmg. If anyone playing magicka templar is having issues with sustain, dps, survivabilty it is honestly an issue with their overall build. The real issue with templars is they fall victim to the same thing DKs do which is an effective mobility tool.Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now
Do you even play this game? 1 BoL can heal as high as 13k .. how is rapid regen even an example of how templar heals arent needed haha .. I would pick 1 Templar healer over 8 people using rapid regen.
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13k BOL, I'm assuming you mean without looking at the tool tip or crits because even if you go close to Templars Max SD it's around 10k but at that point you wouldn't be built for healing because you'd have little sustain. And if you decide to go with recovery it lowers your heal with bol, one of the thing's that makes bol good is it's a very quick heal.
And Templar's as a whole are in a rough spot, I refuse to believe they're underplayed simply because of the lack of mobility. We're not even meant to be mobile, we're meant to stand our ground though we don't have many skills to back that.
Templars are underplayed??? What game are you guys playing? Cyro is filled with groups running NBs and templars. All of them.Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now
Rapid regen replacing templars??? Theyre disappearing? Serioulsy who are these people posting?
Most people are playing nbs and sorcs. Templars and dks are usually the longest bounties for me to complete and I play large scale pvp, not just small scale. And I play on console where we have a bigger player base, at least bigger than PC NA.
NB and sorc are the best for going out and soloing abroad. Groups are packed with templars, all of them.
Waite I know the real answer to this .......DK and templar have no escape mechanic thus they must roam in a small group or a group To be singled out from the herd can be insta (cheese) death.
On another note since the end of 2015 are there any templars still out there of note that make a sorc or Nb quake in there boots?
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✭✭✭✭✭gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »americansteel wrote: »americansteel wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »The only place Templars excel right now is group healing. They are inferior in all other builds/roles. I'm holding on to hope that @Wrobel and his posse have plans to rectify this.
What? Group healing? Templars are great right now...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4909f4zuzAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZuCX1GfLkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDU-jnv97Zo
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Do not confuse good Templar's with them being in a good place, big difference.
Templars in general need very minor adjustments. Overall the class as a whole is very well balanced. Small things like the passive that gives minor sorcery should give the equivalent for weapon dmg. If anyone playing magicka templar is having issues with sustain, dps, survivabilty it is honestly an issue with their overall build. The real issue with templars is they fall victim to the same thing DKs do which is an effective mobility tool.Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now
Do you even play this game? 1 BoL can heal as high as 13k .. how is rapid regen even an example of how templar heals arent needed haha .. I would pick 1 Templar healer over 8 people using rapid regen.
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13k BOL, I'm assuming you mean without looking at the tool tip or crits because even if you go close to Templars Max SD it's around 10k but at that point you wouldn't be built for healing because you'd have little sustain. And if you decide to go with recovery it lowers your heal with bol, one of the thing's that makes bol good is it's a very quick heal.
And Templar's as a whole are in a rough spot, I refuse to believe they're underplayed simply because of the lack of mobility. We're not even meant to be mobile, we're meant to stand our ground though we don't have many skills to back that.
spot on.
Purifying ritual alone negates meteor, crystal frags, and host of single target spells that give a status effect. That skill +channeled focus add to your healing. You'll need 10 minimum CP into quick recovery, at least 10 into blessed if DPS to take advantage of our healing passives (if magicka.). Stam has its negatives! But penetration is a templars native bonus to stam with weapon dmg passive.
Issue is, we only have builds for NB and Sorc's. How they are built differ from templars and DKs akillwise and gearwise. So we shouldn't be looking at straight dmg/stat pool stack and pretend it works like it does for the other classes.
bottom line we suck.
my dark flare hits 12.4k but my main DPS source hits under 5k even with 330cp. my V1 sorc CF hits ford 5.3k
Battle leveling lets you hit harder at V1. Syphers V1 stamplar performs very well due to battle spirit.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »The only place Templars excel right now is group healing. They are inferior in all other builds/roles. I'm holding on to hope that @Wrobel and his posse have plans to rectify this.
What? Group healing? Templars are great right now...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4909f4zuzAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZuCX1GfLkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDU-jnv97Zo
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Do not confuse good Templar's with them being in a good place, big difference.
Templars in general need very minor adjustments. Overall the class as a whole is very well balanced. Small things like the passive that gives minor sorcery should give the equivalent for weapon dmg. If anyone playing magicka templar is having issues with sustain, dps, survivabilty it is honestly an issue with their overall build. The real issue with templars is they fall victim to the same thing DKs do which is an effective mobility tool.Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now
Do you even play this game? 1 BoL can heal as high as 13k .. how is rapid regen even an example of how templar heals arent needed haha .. I would pick 1 Templar healer over 8 people using rapid regen.
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13k BOL, I'm assuming you mean without looking at the tool tip or crits because even if you go close to Templars Max SD it's around 10k but at that point you wouldn't be built for healing because you'd have little sustain. And if you decide to go with recovery it lowers your heal with bol, one of the thing's that makes bol good is it's a very quick heal.
And Templar's as a whole are in a rough spot, I refuse to believe they're underplayed simply because of the lack of mobility. We're not even meant to be mobile, we're meant to stand our ground though we don't have many skills to back that.
Templars are underplayed??? What game are you guys playing? Cyro is filled with groups running NBs and templars. All of them.Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now
Rapid regen replacing templars??? Theyre disappearing? Serioulsy who are these people posting?
Most people are playing nbs and sorcs. Templars and dks are usually the longest bounties for me to complete and I play large scale pvp, not just small scale. And I play on console where we have a bigger player base, at least bigger than PC NA.
NB and sorc are the best for going out and soloing abroad. Groups are packed with templars, all of them.
Waite I know the real answer to this .......DK and templar have no escape mechanic thus they must roam in a small group or a group To be singled out from the herd can be insta (cheese) death.
On another note since the end of 2015 are there any templars still out there of note that make a sorc or Nb quake in there boots?
ya, @blabafat
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gw2only1b14_ESO✭✭✭Ok yep guys with plenty of CP so not your average Joe...
so to play a Temp and keep playing it you have to have many CP and just be good the other classes you cna face roll the keyboard and make a dent in things
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✭✭✭✭✭gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »Ok yep guys with plenty of CP so not your average Joe...
so to play a Temp and keep playing it you have to have many CP and just be good the other classes you cna face roll the keyboard and make a dent in things
You just need 300. It's my understanding the current catch-up system allows you to reach 300 in no time.
Expect time to learn any of the classes and the proper counters. Also, the biggest lesson any of the above players will show you is the following:
-pick your fights. Fight on your terms not theirs.
You won't believe how many people miss that part
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✭✭✭✭gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »Ok yep guys with plenty of CP so not your average Joe...
so to play a Temp and keep playing it you have to have many CP and just be good the other classes you cna face roll the keyboard and make a dent in things
Ya thats an issue with balance - but you dont need max CP to do what those guys do. People will just pick the strongest classes for the patch and try to do it there rather than doing it on a suboptimal class.0 -
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gw2only1b14_ESO✭✭✭gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »Ok yep guys with plenty of CP so not your average Joe...
so to play a Temp and keep playing it you have to have many CP and just be good the other classes you cna face roll the keyboard and make a dent in things
You just need 300. It's my understanding the current catch-up system allows you to reach 300 in no time.
Expect time to learn any of the classes and the proper counters. Also, the biggest lesson any of the above players will show you is the following:
-pick your fights. Fight on your terms not theirs.
You won't believe how many people miss that part
Heheh if you cant sneak or dart away it becomes your fight lol in fact had a couple of those train wrecks last night0 -
Takllin✭✭✭✭✭gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »Ok yep guys with plenty of CP so not your average Joe...
so to play a Temp and keep playing it you have to have many CP and just be good the other classes you cna face roll the keyboard and make a dent in things
Which NB/DK/Sorc players can you name that are very good players without a large amount of CP?Jadokis - AD Redguard DK v16 AR 18
Jàsènn - AD Orc Templar 47 AR 10
Jessèn - AD Dunmer DK v16 AR 9 - Former Empress of Blackwater Blade
Tekllin - AD Altmer Sorcerer v16 AR 18 (Ret.)
Tekklin - AD Bosmer Nightblade v16 AR 12 (Ret.)
Jasenn - DC Imperial Templar v16 AR 18 (Ret.)
Jasènn - DC Orc Sorcerer v16 AR 15 (Ret.)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »Ok yep guys with plenty of CP so not your average Joe...
so to play a Temp and keep playing it you have to have many CP and just be good the other classes you cna face roll the keyboard and make a dent in things
You just need 300. It's my understanding the current catch-up system allows you to reach 300 in no time.
Expect time to learn any of the classes and the proper counters. Also, the biggest lesson any of the above players will show you is the following:
-pick your fights. Fight on your terms not theirs.
You won't believe how many people miss that part
Heheh if you cant sneak or dart away it becomes your fight lol in fact had a couple of those train wrecks last night
I learn only two ways to combat those fights:
1) Radiant magelight. Stops some of their burst for you to get defense going or go on the offense.
2) run more health for a better Radiant ward shield and always expect a NB. And always fight on my healing circles.
I only die to NB that can ignore my CC, find a gap in my shields, or catch me on a mistake (most of my deaths anyway.)
Magicka sorc's are tougher in my opinion. But defensive posture/S+B help greatly.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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gw2only1b14_ESO✭✭✭gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »Ok yep guys with plenty of CP so not your average Joe...
so to play a Temp and keep playing it you have to have many CP and just be good the other classes you cna face roll the keyboard and make a dent in things
Which NB/DK/Sorc players can you name that are very good players without a large amount of CP?
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gw2only1b14_ESO✭✭✭gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »Ok yep guys with plenty of CP so not your average Joe...
so to play a Temp and keep playing it you have to have many CP and just be good the other classes you cna face roll the keyboard and make a dent in things
You just need 300. It's my understanding the current catch-up system allows you to reach 300 in no time.
Expect time to learn any of the classes and the proper counters. Also, the biggest lesson any of the above players will show you is the following:
-pick your fights. Fight on your terms not theirs.
You won't believe how many people miss that part
Heheh if you cant sneak or dart away it becomes your fight lol in fact had a couple of those train wrecks last night
I learn only two ways to combat those fights:
1) Radiant magelight. Stops some of their burst for you to get defense going or go on the offense.
2) run more health for a better Radiant ward shield and always expect a NB. And always fight on my healing circles.
I only die to NB that can ignore my CC, find a gap in my shields, or catch me on a mistake (most of my deaths anyway.)
Magicka sorc's are tougher in my opinion. But defensive posture/S+B help greatly.
Ahh no it wasnt solo
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Takllin✭✭✭✭✭gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »Ok yep guys with plenty of CP so not your average Joe...
so to play a Temp and keep playing it you have to have many CP and just be good the other classes you cna face roll the keyboard and make a dent in things
Which NB/DK/Sorc players can you name that are very good players without a large amount of CP?
Thats a loaded question for sure and it answers itself
You posed the question about Templars, so it's only fair to ask the same about the other three.
If you can't name any, then your point about needing CP to be successful on a Templar is irrelevant as all of the top players with any class have high/capped CP.Jadokis - AD Redguard DK v16 AR 18
Jàsènn - AD Orc Templar 47 AR 10
Jessèn - AD Dunmer DK v16 AR 9 - Former Empress of Blackwater Blade
Tekllin - AD Altmer Sorcerer v16 AR 18 (Ret.)
Tekklin - AD Bosmer Nightblade v16 AR 12 (Ret.)
Jasenn - DC Imperial Templar v16 AR 18 (Ret.)
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gw2only1b14_ESO✭✭✭gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »Ok yep guys with plenty of CP so not your average Joe...
so to play a Temp and keep playing it you have to have many CP and just be good the other classes you cna face roll the keyboard and make a dent in things
Which NB/DK/Sorc players can you name that are very good players without a large amount of CP?
Thats a loaded question for sure and it answers itself
You posed the question about Templars, so it's only fair to ask the same about the other three.
If you can't name any, then your point about needing CP to be successful on a Templar is irrelevant as all of the top players with any class have high/capped CP.
Ill be 100% honest then since playing the game if I die I rarely keep track to whom but one scruffy something or something comes to mind and I know hes been around awhile
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ScarecrowBoat✭✭✭gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »Ok yep guys with plenty of CP so not your average Joe...
so to play a Temp and keep playing it you have to have many CP and just be good the other classes you cna face roll the keyboard and make a dent in things
Which NB/DK/Sorc players can you name that are very good players without a large amount of CP?
Thats a loaded question for sure and it answers itself
You posed the question about Templars, so it's only fair to ask the same about the other three.
If you can't name any, then your point about needing CP to be successful on a Templar is irrelevant as all of the top players with any class have high/capped CP.
Ill be 100% honest then since playing the game if I die I rarely keep track to whom but one scruffy something or something comes to mind and I know hes been around awhile
just being honest
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gw2only1b14_ESO✭✭✭ScarecrowBoat wrote: »gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »Ok yep guys with plenty of CP so not your average Joe...
so to play a Temp and keep playing it you have to have many CP and just be good the other classes you cna face roll the keyboard and make a dent in things
Which NB/DK/Sorc players can you name that are very good players without a large amount of CP?
Thats a loaded question for sure and it answers itself
You posed the question about Templars, so it's only fair to ask the same about the other three.
If you can't name any, then your point about needing CP to be successful on a Templar is irrelevant as all of the top players with any class have high/capped CP.
Ill be 100% honest then since playing the game if I die I rarely keep track to whom but one scruffy something or something comes to mind and I know hes been around awhile
just being honest
Scruffy Whiskers!
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ScarecrowBoat✭✭✭gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »ScarecrowBoat wrote: »gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »Ok yep guys with plenty of CP so not your average Joe...
so to play a Temp and keep playing it you have to have many CP and just be good the other classes you cna face roll the keyboard and make a dent in things
Which NB/DK/Sorc players can you name that are very good players without a large amount of CP?
Thats a loaded question for sure and it answers itself
You posed the question about Templars, so it's only fair to ask the same about the other three.
If you can't name any, then your point about needing CP to be successful on a Templar is irrelevant as all of the top players with any class have high/capped CP.
Ill be 100% honest then since playing the game if I die I rarely keep track to whom but one scruffy something or something comes to mind and I know hes been around awhile
just being honest
Scruffy Whiskers!
Yea that may be him a DC I think??
nah hes EPFANTASIAAAAAAAAAAGM of SBHMember of Zerona's Fan Boy ClubHow do i get out of cyrodiil0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭At a loss, whats the best to do now for templar in PvP
The obvious answer is the correct one: they can heal better than anything by a mile.
It is true you have no escape and awkward burst, but provided you know the class, which skills are clunky/bugged, and gear yourself optimally you can compete against most of what you will come across in Cyrodiil. I play one and find it fun. Well played sorcs and high burst stamina builds are going to be tough matchups, but that's mostly a function of the mechanics in ESO right now.
When the new PTS hits "in early February," according to Frior, much of the specific advice offered may be obsolete so I would hold off on crafting specific gear to a build you might have in mind.Edited by Joy_Division on January 18, 2016 8:40PMMake Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »
On that note:
- stick to vr 15 gear if you must craft.
- use IC weapons to get cheap vr16 weapons (trait depending.)Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭✭✭you can find someone who sucks like I do and spam jabs on them:D though I was playing my crappy mana DK when that happened.0