Templar ???

Gizit · January 2016

At a loss, whats the best to do now for templar in PvP

Solariken · January 2016

The only place Templars excel right now is group healing. They are inferior in all other builds/roles. I'm holding on to hope that @Wrobel and his posse have plans to rectify this.

caeliusstarbreaker · January 2016

Magicka or stam dps

Minno · January 2016

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/219232/rinaldos-templar-sun-preist-1-7-2-1-pve-build

This one says pve, but for pvp you can quickly turn it into a pvp build by using Radiant ward shield and max out bastion. (For non jabs dmg.)

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/241054/video-magicka-templar-ranged-dps-build#latest

Magicka version of the above.

There are plenty of jabs builds around (and healer builds. )

Minno · January 2016

Solariken wrote: »

The only place Templars excel right now is group healing. They are inferior in all other builds/roles. I'm holding on to hope that @Wrobel and his posse have plans to rectify this.

For now most templars have to avoid the buggy spells and use as many instant casts as they can.

Strength of templars:

- channeled focus
- purifying ritual
- breath of life.

Those 3 skills have to be on one of your bars.

You'll need reflects, gap closer, main dmg and dots from other skill lines sadly.

Gizit · January 2016

Thanks peeps, its tough coming back after being gone so long.
new equipment zones etc.

Next i need to find a decent guild.
cheers and thanks for the help.

Minno · January 2016

Gizit wrote: »

Thanks peeps, its tough coming back after being gone so long.
new equipment zones etc.

Next i need to find a decent guild.
cheers and thanks for the help.

You'll need agility/willpower jewelry in imperial city (depending on stat preference).

Kagrenacs hope is a strong pvp set. Magnus very good cheap alternative. Molag kena shoulders and most monster sets are good.

Guilds: just ask in cyro in Azura/Haderus. If not ask us here!

In the new game patches, spell power/weapon power stacking is popular. But don't ignore more sustain/health builds for pvp. Dmg can't crit shields, most players are Nightblades now, and burst is needed.

caeliusstarbreaker · January 2016

What's your race? And are you trying to go mag or stam?

Baconlad · January 2016

Template (magicka Mainly) also excell at soloing/ duoing, and all around badassery

Baconlad · January 2016

*** auto correct...templars

Darnathian · January 2016

Not true. Stamplar excels in one on ones. Hundings/Morok/Agility.

2h and s and b.

Stampede wb jabs. exectioner. rally

shuffle. caltrops. derensive stance. vigor. purify.

defensive stance for sorcs. keep it up at all times and purge when they put curse on you. against a good sorc best you can do is draw. which is a win since they are OP.

caltrops will take care of nbs.

Cinbri · January 2016

You guyz realise that Cyro is not place of 1v1, right?

JaJaLuka · January 2016

Templar strangely enough is pretty good as a heavy armoured stam build. I'm not quite sure the specifics but I fought a pretty OP AD Templar today on my magica sorc in that set up and was pretty impressed, just have to think on how to kill it now without resorting to shield stacking sorc build lol. Hope to see lots more of them out there soon, was some fun fights.

hammayolettuce · January 2016

Solariken wrote: »

The only place Templars excel right now is group healing. They are inferior in all other builds/roles. I'm holding on to hope that @Wrobel and his posse have plans to rectify this.

What? Group healing? Templars are great right now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4909f4zuzA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZuCX1GfLk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDU-jnv97Zo

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Gizit · January 2016

I could post up stats, but stand alone I used to be a tanky healer Prior to IC.

I could hold my own 1v2 (not that i am super hero, like blablafat) but my play style mirrored his for a while.

Truthfully, it seems from what i have seen the Meta for PvP doesn't even involve siege anymore. Magic Det and Knives throwing going on.
Man what a damage nerf! LOL i was not ready for this i can barely kill the NPC healers in IC. Cauterize rs

I would love to swap from Heals to some damage. Healing can be done on one bar and just one damage bar would be nice to not be forced into one style of play per Character.

NORD/TEMPLAR V15 currently,. Old armor sets i now realize i need new stuffs will be working on that next.
again thanks for the replies, very helpful.
I found "Darksideofthepact" Still need a solid PvP guild for a bit and perhaps a fun raiding guild.

AJ_1988 · January 2016

Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now

CatchMeTrolling · January 2016

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

The only place Templars excel right now is group healing. They are inferior in all other builds/roles. I'm holding on to hope that @Wrobel and his posse have plans to rectify this.

What? Group healing? Templars are great right now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4909f4zuzA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZuCX1GfLk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDU-jnv97Zo

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Do not confuse good Templar's with them being in a good place, big difference.

Alcast · January 2016

Reroll NB

Be very careful with Youtube videos, most videos show top players killing lesser experienced players and it may look like the class is crazy....then you try the same and you get steamrolled

hammayolettuce · January 2016

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

The only place Templars excel right now is group healing. They are inferior in all other builds/roles. I'm holding on to hope that @Wrobel and his posse have plans to rectify this.

What? Group healing? Templars are great right now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4909f4zuzA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZuCX1GfLk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDU-jnv97Zo

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Do not confuse good Templar's with them being in a good place, big difference.

Templars in general need very minor adjustments. Overall the class as a whole is very well balanced. Small things like the passive that gives minor sorcery should give the equivalent for weapon dmg. If anyone playing magicka templar is having issues with sustain, dps, survivabilty it is honestly an issue with their overall build. The real issue with templars is they fall victim to the same thing DKs do which is an effective mobility tool.

AJ_1988 wrote: »

Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now

Do you even play this game? 1 BoL can heal as high as 13k .. how is rapid regen even an example of how templar heals arent needed haha .. I would pick 1 Templar healer over 8 people using rapid regen.

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danno8 · January 2016

Alcast wrote: »

Reroll NB

Be very careful with Youtube videos, most videos show top players killing lesser experienced players and it may look like the class is crazy....then you try the same and you get steamrolled

It's pretty funny at times. Like watching Blabafat's video above. 1-2 good fights, the rest all terrible.

At 5:50 mark, V16 Sorcerer rotation on full health Blab: Mages Fury (lol), 2 light attacks (missed both somehow), then held block (or bashed?), dead.

These guys are almost never around when I go to Cyro.

CatchMeTrolling · January 2016

hammayolettuce wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

The only place Templars excel right now is group healing. They are inferior in all other builds/roles. I'm holding on to hope that @Wrobel and his posse have plans to rectify this.

What? Group healing? Templars are great right now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4909f4zuzA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZuCX1GfLk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDU-jnv97Zo

*

Do not confuse good Templar's with them being in a good place, big difference.

Templars in general need very minor adjustments. Overall the class as a whole is very well balanced. Small things like the passive that gives minor sorcery should give the equivalent for weapon dmg. If anyone playing magicka templar is having issues with sustain, dps, survivabilty it is honestly an issue with their overall build. The real issue with templars is they fall victim to the same thing DKs do which is an effective mobility tool.

AJ_1988 wrote: »

Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now

Do you even play this game? 1 BoL can heal as high as 13k .. how is rapid regen even an example of how templar heals arent needed haha .. I would pick 1 Templar healer over 8 people using rapid regen.

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13k BOL, I'm assuming you mean without looking at the tool tip or crits because even if you go close to Templars Max SD it's around 10k but at that point you wouldn't be built for healing because you'd have little sustain. And if you decide to go with recovery it lowers your heal with bol, one of the thing's that makes bol good is it's a very quick heal.

And Templar's as a whole are in a rough spot, I refuse to believe they're underplayed simply because of the lack of mobility. We're not even meant to be mobile, we're meant to stand our ground though we don't have many skills to back that.

hammayolettuce · January 2016

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

The only place Templars excel right now is group healing. They are inferior in all other builds/roles. I'm holding on to hope that @Wrobel and his posse have plans to rectify this.

What? Group healing? Templars are great right now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4909f4zuzA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZuCX1GfLk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDU-jnv97Zo

*

Do not confuse good Templar's with them being in a good place, big difference.

Templars in general need very minor adjustments. Overall the class as a whole is very well balanced. Small things like the passive that gives minor sorcery should give the equivalent for weapon dmg. If anyone playing magicka templar is having issues with sustain, dps, survivabilty it is honestly an issue with their overall build. The real issue with templars is they fall victim to the same thing DKs do which is an effective mobility tool.

AJ_1988 wrote: »

Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now

Do you even play this game? 1 BoL can heal as high as 13k .. how is rapid regen even an example of how templar heals arent needed haha .. I would pick 1 Templar healer over 8 people using rapid regen.

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13k BOL, I'm assuming you mean without looking at the tool tip or crits because even if you go close to Templars Max SD it's around 10k but at that point you wouldn't be built for healing because you'd have little sustain. And if you decide to go with recovery it lowers your heal with bol, one of the thing's that makes bol good is it's a very quick heal.

And Templar's as a whole are in a rough spot, I refuse to believe they're underplayed simply because of the lack of mobility. We're not even meant to be mobile, we're meant to stand our ground though we don't have many skills to back that.

Seeing 13.1k crits on BoL is very common when using tri food. If you run drink it will be less obviously but even an average of 10k burst heals is infintly better than someone spamming rapid regen

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blabafat · January 2016

Templar, as @hammayolettuce stated, is in a good spot.

Templar is the most balanced class in the game right now. It excels at some things, but it also lacks some things. That's what a balanced class is.

The only changes I think should occur:
-Radiant Destruction shouldn't be dodgeable
-Purifying Light should be able to crit
-Explosive Charge should have a snare or something(Kinda weak atm)
-Fix bugs associated with Focused Charge
-Vampires Bane should be "Magic" damage not "Flame" damage
-Activating a Dawn's Wrath ability gives you 5% spell damage(Minor Sorcery). A different Templar passive gives 6% weapon damage(not a major/minor buff) without requiring anything slotted. Since Templar is seen as a weaker DPS class, a balanced change can be adding a 6% spell damage bonus to the weapon damage passive and changing the 5% spell damage from using a dawn's wrath ability to 5% overall damage

As you can see, these aren't OP, drastic changes. Most of them are minor tweaks to passives or abilities(much of which aren't working as intended).

Minno · January 2016

Alcast wrote: »

Reroll NB

Be very careful with Youtube videos, most videos show top players killing lesser experienced players and it may look like the class is crazy....then you try the same and you get steamrolled

Most of their builds also have a certain gear requiement and CP setup. Also look at fengrush with stam sorc; hes great at it but other players get steamrolled. Just means certain builds require you to love and accept AC and the specific playstyle. And he dies too, but such is Cyro.

There are builds available that bring templars little closer; most stopped posting because they gave up or people think its stack dmg or don't bother.

My current build (modified version of sun priest mentioned above which is a modied setup of Divine's build) allows the right amount of dps with the proper survivability that templars should run (more points to health, stam at 16k, stack bastion for Radiant ward to negate NB/stam crits, 340 CP minimum, destro staff nirn main/ S+B back healing for defensive posture.). Just have to position and play defensively at times.

Lisbettes (tamerlin) build, allows a magicka version of a ranged templar. Using Resto light attacks (highly unorthodox but could be great alt to jabs.)We just can't use our main dps for pvp anymore (jabs) because the burst isn't there and it's a channel. Can't use gap closer cause it bugs at the end. And we have to accept we will never be running around Call of Duty style pretending to still be in 1.3 or lower patches.

IMHO saying everyone to run NB hurts templars more than templars trying to learn alternative ways to play pvp. Explore away from the popular choices and you'll surprise yourself. Yes that surprise attack ambush spam is cheap and effective. But so is ransack so stam temps can utilize powerful penetrative skillsets and dmg reduction to match their healings strengths.

Sucks to fill our bars with non Templar skills, but we do what we can.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · January 2016

blabafat wrote: »

Templar, as @hammayolettuce stated, is in a good spot.

Templar is the most balanced class in the game right now. It excels at some things, but it also lacks some things. That's what a balanced class is.

The only changes I think should occur:
-Radiant Destruction shouldn't be dodgeable
-Purifying Light should be able to crit
-Explosive Charge should have a snare or something(Kinda weak atm)
-Fix bugs associated with Focused Charge
-Vampires Bane should be "Magic" damage not "Flame" damage
-Activating a Dawn's Wrath ability gives you 5% spell damage(Minor Sorcery). A different Templar passive gives 6% weapon damage(not a major/minor buff) without requiring anything slotted. Since Templar is seen as a weaker DPS class, a balanced change can be adding a 6% spell damage bonus to the weapon damage passive and changing the 5% spell damage from using a dawn's wrath ability to 5% overall damage

As you can see, these aren't OP, drastic changes. Most of them are minor tweaks to passives or abilities(much of which aren't working as intended).

Wouldn't it also be nice to have blazing shield activate on a greater portion of health? (or shield strength increase 50% on caster). The health nerf + shield nerf hit blazing shield pretty hard. B-shield used to be a staple of templar builds, and so much fun to use.

caeliusstarbreaker · January 2016

blabafat wrote: »

Templar, as @hammayolettuce stated, is in a good spot.

Templar is the most balanced class in the game right now. It excels at some things, but it also lacks some things. That's what a balanced class is.

The only changes I think should occur:
-Radiant Destruction shouldn't be dodgeable
-Purifying Light should be able to crit
-Explosive Charge should have a snare or something(Kinda weak atm)
-Fix bugs associated with Focused Charge
-Vampires Bane should be "Magic" damage not "Flame" damage
-Activating a Dawn's Wrath ability gives you 5% spell damage(Minor Sorcery). A different Templar passive gives 6% weapon damage(not a major/minor buff) without requiring anything slotted. Since Templar is seen as a weaker DPS class, a balanced change can be adding a 6% spell damage bonus to the weapon damage passive and changing the 5% spell damage from using a dawn's wrath ability to 5% overall damage

As you can see, these aren't OP, drastic changes. Most of them are minor tweaks to passives or abilities(much of which aren't working as intended).

Restoring light passives should work on all heals. As it stands I only have points in the passives cause repentance. Even then I think repentance would shine just as well from a stam pov without the passives

Dawns wrath should give a recovery passive or perhaps even something worth putting skill points in other than cost reduc (albeit from a stam pov)

Magicka templar lacks a little in dps compared to stam but has access to all skill line passives.
Stamplar has more dmg but you basically forfeit 2 entire class skill passive trees for the trade off.

Templar as a whole is a tough class to buff. Any paradigm shift can easily lead to it being imbalanced or OP.

americansteel · January 2016

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

The only place Templars excel right now is group healing. They are inferior in all other builds/roles. I'm holding on to hope that @Wrobel and his posse have plans to rectify this.

What? Group healing? Templars are great right now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4909f4zuzA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZuCX1GfLk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDU-jnv97Zo

*

Do not confuse good Templar's with them being in a good place, big difference.

Templars in general need very minor adjustments. Overall the class as a whole is very well balanced. Small things like the passive that gives minor sorcery should give the equivalent for weapon dmg. If anyone playing magicka templar is having issues with sustain, dps, survivabilty it is honestly an issue with their overall build. The real issue with templars is they fall victim to the same thing DKs do which is an effective mobility tool.

AJ_1988 wrote: »

Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now

Do you even play this game? 1 BoL can heal as high as 13k .. how is rapid regen even an example of how templar heals arent needed haha .. I would pick 1 Templar healer over 8 people using rapid regen.

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13k BOL, I'm assuming you mean without looking at the tool tip or crits because even if you go close to Templars Max SD it's around 10k but at that point you wouldn't be built for healing because you'd have little sustain. And if you decide to go with recovery it lowers your heal with bol, one of the thing's that makes bol good is it's a very quick heal.

And Templar's as a whole are in a rough spot, I refuse to believe they're underplayed simply because of the lack of mobility. We're not even meant to be mobile, we're meant to stand our ground though we don't have many skills to back that.

spot on.

caeliusstarbreaker · January 2016

Also templar is the only class that seems to have an entire class skill line solely dedicated to non offensive gameplay ... Which may be the lynch pin to why the class is balanced

Minno · January 2016

americansteel wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

The only place Templars excel right now is group healing. They are inferior in all other builds/roles. I'm holding on to hope that @Wrobel and his posse have plans to rectify this.

What? Group healing? Templars are great right now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4909f4zuzA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZuCX1GfLk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDU-jnv97Zo

*

Do not confuse good Templar's with them being in a good place, big difference.

Templars in general need very minor adjustments. Overall the class as a whole is very well balanced. Small things like the passive that gives minor sorcery should give the equivalent for weapon dmg. If anyone playing magicka templar is having issues with sustain, dps, survivabilty it is honestly an issue with their overall build. The real issue with templars is they fall victim to the same thing DKs do which is an effective mobility tool.

AJ_1988 wrote: »

Even then need for healing Templars in pvp is disappearing with everyone running around spamming rapid regen. I feel my Templar doesn't have much of a place in pvp right now

Do you even play this game? 1 BoL can heal as high as 13k .. how is rapid regen even an example of how templar heals arent needed haha .. I would pick 1 Templar healer over 8 people using rapid regen.

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13k BOL, I'm assuming you mean without looking at the tool tip or crits because even if you go close to Templars Max SD it's around 10k but at that point you wouldn't be built for healing because you'd have little sustain. And if you decide to go with recovery it lowers your heal with bol, one of the thing's that makes bol good is it's a very quick heal.

And Templar's as a whole are in a rough spot, I refuse to believe they're underplayed simply because of the lack of mobility. We're not even meant to be mobile, we're meant to stand our ground though we don't have many skills to back that.

spot on.

Purifying ritual alone negates meteor, crystal frags, and host of single target spells that give a status effect. That skill +channeled focus add to your healing. You'll need 10 minimum CP into quick recovery, at least 10 into blessed if DPS to take advantage of our healing passives (if magicka.). Stam has its negatives! But penetration is a templars native bonus to stam with weapon dmg passive.

Issue is, we only have builds for NB and Sorc's. How they are built differ from templars and DKs akillwise and gearwise. So we shouldn't be looking at straight dmg/stat pool stack and pretend it works like it does for the other classes.

Minno · January 2016

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Also templar is the only class that seems to have an entire class skill line solely dedicated to non offensive gameplay ... Which may be the lynch pin to why the class is balanced

Not true. Negating meteor, curse, crystal frags and a few other skills using puryfing ritual sets you up for offensive moments. I'd say it's a strength not a disadvantage.

manny254 · January 2016

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

blabafat wrote: »

Templar, as @hammayolettuce stated, is in a good spot.

Templar is the most balanced class in the game right now. It excels at some things, but it also lacks some things. That's what a balanced class is.

The only changes I think should occur:
-Radiant Destruction shouldn't be dodgeable
-Purifying Light should be able to crit
-Explosive Charge should have a snare or something(Kinda weak atm)
-Fix bugs associated with Focused Charge
-Vampires Bane should be "Magic" damage not "Flame" damage
-Activating a Dawn's Wrath ability gives you 5% spell damage(Minor Sorcery). A different Templar passive gives 6% weapon damage(not a major/minor buff) without requiring anything slotted. Since Templar is seen as a weaker DPS class, a balanced change can be adding a 6% spell damage bonus to the weapon damage passive and changing the 5% spell damage from using a dawn's wrath ability to 5% overall damage

As you can see, these aren't OP, drastic changes. Most of them are minor tweaks to passives or abilities(much of which aren't working as intended).

Restoring light passives should work on all heals. As it stands I only have points in the passives cause repentance. Even then I think repentance would shine just as well from a stam pov without the passives

Dawns wrath should give a recovery passive or perhaps even something worth putting skill points in other than cost reduc (albeit from a stam pov)

Magicka templar lacks a little in dps compared to stam but has access to all skill line passives.
Stamplar has more dmg but you basically forfeit 2 entire class skill passive trees for the trade off.

Templar as a whole is a tough class to buff. Any paradigm shift can easily lead to it being imbalanced or OP.

The essential issue with stam right now is that you are not better than the other stam classes at anything.

NB will have more damage.
All other 3 have better sustain/recovery.
DK has better healing/shield
NB and DK have better ults
You have no class mobility, and the only reliable magic skill is really purify.

The only thing you really get is jabs, but sadly WB is a overall more effective skill. Not to mention with the cool down on burning light it will deal more damage since you would have to get 4 crits for jabs to deal max damage.