Is 51 Champion Points per Quarter the right mark for ZOS to set?

TheShadowScout · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter seems about right

redspecter23 wrote: »

I really hope they remove the "spend 1200 CP in this tree" achievements sometime soon. I'm hopefully optimistic about this game but putting in an achievement that won't be achievable for 15 years is a bit silly.

I would hope they redo those come the final phase of the champion system... they might like to have some acievements to give out the 15 attribute and skill points for the then-to-vanish veteran ranks, and layered c-point achievements would just do the trick... get 5 points for spending 10 c-points in each, get another 5 points for spending 25 points in each, get the final 5 points for spending 50 points each - that sort of thing.

Leandor · January 2016

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With medium-high playtime, I managed ~100 CP in 2 months. From that point of view, 51 seems low, for quarterly raises. EDIT for clarity: those were the last 100 CP to cap, at which I am now (plus 3 or so, have been playing nonvet PvP to level another char in the last two weeks, so sitting on 900k enlightenment currently)

I would guess that I'd manage another 30 in the approx. 1.5 months until Update 9 goes live, meaning that I'll be at cap about 1 month in with another 2 to 3 months to go until next rise. Even with the progression of point cost, players will at some point be at the new cap upon its release.

But then, they said they will reevaluate the cap steps once a substantial amount of players are at or near cap. While I fear that this strategy will only increase turnaround (long term players leaving, newbies joining), I am willing to give it a shot.

asneakybanana · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter is too low

51 cp is just 17 points into each tree and the champion system is put in place so you can feel stronger the more you play, however getting so few cp every 3 months won't feel like much an increase in power level and people will get bored with no progression like the champion system originally offered. I think that 99 or 102 cp per dlc would be much more reasonable.

SnuggleMePlease · January 2016

What's a CP?

I really don't know what CP is and how it affects your performance in PvP. Also, how do you view your character's CP? Anyone care to explain? Thanks!

Cheers,
Snuggle

Lenikus · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter is too low

120, or 180 are more reasonable numbers here, we are talking about a period of months. Not to mention that there WILL be an refresh on the catching up system, so in theory, there will be no chances in the disparity between 'casuals' and 'harcore' players, given a certain proportion.

AllPlayAndNoWork · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter is too low

Derra wrote: »

I have made ~ 50cp at a cost of 1.3 million per cp since the release of wrothgar.

If the don´t increase it with thieves guild and then go by only 51 cp every quater of a year i get to use the cp i have now middle of 2017. Rework the whole system but please i want character progression too.

Going with 99 for every update introduced with TG would be something i could get behind even though i´d like a system rework that allows for permanent minimal progression better than caps.

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

It's about right. They want people to catch up not get trampled on. If people are such good players they won't mind the competition being the same skill/power level as them. If they do mind they need to get gud

It´s not about outleveling and stomping noobs - they could easily circumvent that by having a catchup questline putting you at ~50% of the current cap (cadwells gold/silver after vet removal anyone?).
People want character progression. With this announcement they´ve stated that i won´t have any character advancement for ALL of my characters for atleast 1.5 years.
I don´t think that´s acceptable.

Its all about the progression, already the game doesn't have enough content to progress in a normal way, so now its all down to grinding, which they don't really want you to do. They should just open up more avenues to grind (IE un-nerf all the old grinding spots and be done with it).... People want to play the game, fine... People want to grind, fine... People want to PvP, fine also... Just make the progression of CP's equal for all.

Can you imagine the content they will have to come up with to keep you progressing along normally so you dont have to grind.... It just wont happen. Releasing content every quarter to keep you progressing normally...... LOL pipe dream stuff, for ZoS and us.

Gimmie more grind spots so everyone can grind in different places, then I can go PvP more often.... Or make PvP CP's easier to get than they are now and i will never have to PvE or grind again.

AshTal · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter seems about right

They need to be really careful. A lot of hard core players will already have 1000+ CP which means that the second they raise the cap these players till hit it. They need to make sure that the game never stops new players from competing at all.

FireCowCommando · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter is too low

TERMINAT0R_XVII wrote: »

You remember the guy who soloed Molag bal on PC in the IC sewer event? The cap is never going to go to where it once was. Or else it will happen again.

The player who did that, had 300 CP. He was emperor at the time. The cap has had no effect on preventing what you fear, since it does not even apply to the player in question.

The Cap is being raised at a terribly slow rate. Its like ZoS is telling us, "please don't play this game too much, you are not supposed to be at cap yet".

Elhanan · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter seems about right

51 CP is a relative equivalent to 5.1 VR ranks (I can't remember the exact wording, but ZOS has stated they are currently viewing 10CP ~ 1 VR). In light of this, you could look at CP increase to be an addition of 5 VRs. Admittedly, this is an account-wide increase and overall seems like a reasonable number.

Troneon · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter is too low

50 seems kinda pointless....

Make it 200 and increase enlightenment exp.

TERMINAT0R_XVII · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter seems about right

FireCowCommando wrote: »

TERMINAT0R_XVII wrote: »

You remember the guy who soloed Molag bal on PC in the IC sewer event? The cap is never going to go to where it once was. Or else it will happen again.

The player who did that, had 300 CP. He was emperor at the time. The cap has had no effect on preventing what you fear, since it does not even apply to the player in question.

The Cap is being raised at a terribly slow rate. Its like ZoS is telling us, "please don't play this game too much, you are not supposed to be at cap yet".

Huh where in the world did you hear that???? That is completely incorrect he had over 60k magicka and over 2k CP. they even said it in an ESO live episode. Go watch it for yourself. If you still try to argue then I'm guessing your his friend trying to defend him. The video is on youtube look it up.

Alcast · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter is too low

At least we will still have content in 15 years right?

mtwiggz · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter is too low

51 CP per quarter is far too low. Fifteen years to max out the CP system is absolutely ludacris. Even 90 would have been a better number. One CP per day every day of the quarter. Definitely reasonable.

In such case of 90 CP per quarter we would reach the hard cap in 8.5 years. Which to me still seems too long, but it's more reasonable than FIFTEEN years.

Fruity_Ninja · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter is too low

Just your 1 CP per day will net you around 90 CP per quarter. That's 30 mins of gametime at most per day.

If it's going to be so low, at least get rid of enlightenment so we're not all at the new cap 2 weeks in...

TERMINAT0R_XVII · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter seems about right

I'll make it easier for you, here's proof as to why the CP cap most likely WONT GO ABOVE 1,200 maybe even 800

https://youtu.be/PW2gvI_73HY

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2016

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TERMINAT0R_XVII wrote: »

FireCowCommando wrote: »

TERMINAT0R_XVII wrote: »

You remember the guy who soloed Molag bal on PC in the IC sewer event? The cap is never going to go to where it once was. Or else it will happen again.

The player who did that, had 300 CP. He was emperor at the time. The cap has had no effect on preventing what you fear, since it does not even apply to the player in question.

The Cap is being raised at a terribly slow rate. Its like ZoS is telling us, "please don't play this game too much, you are not supposed to be at cap yet".

Huh where in the world did you hear that???? That is completely incorrect he had over 60k magicka and over 2k CP. they even said it in an ESO live episode. Go watch it for yourself. If you still try to argue then I'm guessing your his friend trying to defend him. The video is on youtube look it up.

LOL !!
Yes the guy who did that had such stats because he was emperor. This "prowess" had nothing to do with Champion Points.
And yes they mentioned this on an ESO live (it was Rich Lambert) and it was a huge mistake on their side.

And according to Rich, only 2 (TWO !!) people had over 2K CP at the time and this player wasn't one of them.

Fact checking doesn't hurt, you know.

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rotaugen454 · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter seems about right

I am currently at 415 CP and should hit the cap, and will hit the 51 cap too. I'm fine with that, because huge CP gaps are a major problem. I am in a gaming group that is hesitant to join because of huge CP gaps. The catchup helps, but is still a grind and most of us can't get online every day.

joleda4ub17_ESO · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter is too low

Why not remove the cap and have tiered Cyrodiil campaigns? Example campaigns: (after VR is removed)

Below Level 50 with no CP
Level 50 with 0<CP<100
Level 50 with 100<CP<250
Level 50 with 250<CP<500
Level 50 with CP>500

PVE can have adjusted difficulty dungeons or trials with adjusted rewards in a similar fashion.

BTW, I've turned into a carebear at my age and only have about 30 CP. I only play healers in PVP and have accepted my role as fodder. My 4 characters, one of each class, are levels VR2, VR1, VR1, and 40. All are Argonian and all can heal.

TERMINAT0R_XVII · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter seems about right

I'm keeping my Stance on the points its just right, if you want to solo everything GO PLAY SKYRIM WE WONT MISS YOU
Judging by the year ahead article were only getting a 204 CP cap increase this year so dont hold your breath

lolo_01b16_ESO · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter is too low

51cp every 3 months means I'll always reach the cap if I spend about 30min per day with questing.
Seems as if they want to get rid of all the players who have a subscription or buy scrolls and rings of mara to get more xp.

Acrolas · January 2016

The funny thing about the Molag Bal video guy is that people are like, "OMG HE'S SO OP" instead of the more rational response, "You only get 38 gold and 5 Planar scrap for doing all that?" The most lucrative reward was the 1500 TV stones which came from his 3x multiplier. Otherwise it would have been 500, which is a little more than the combat chests in IC.

The core issue is that the game is really stingy with rewards while it continues its multi-year identity crisis. If they were more liberal with rewards, they'd have to actually work on finding in-game things for you to do with them. So while there is a catch up mechanic, low cap gains are an excuse for ZOS to get lazy with design and content. Give you 'just enough' for a few months.

I'd rather have an ambitious game that knows what the *** it's trying to do and has a passion about doing it. ESO Live? I've seen more liveliness at a retirement home. I'm still waiting to feel that 'they care about what they're doing' vibe.

Jura23 · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter is too low

Too low. If they say ppl don't progress fast enough, maybe they should look into ways how to motivate more ppl to play ESO daily rather than just setting CP caps so low.

silky_soft · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter is too low

They just don't want to admit their formula was wrong. We told them no increase after softcap. But they no listen

Wollust · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter is too low

TERMINAT0R_XVII wrote: »

FireCowCommando wrote: »

TERMINAT0R_XVII wrote: »

You remember the guy who soloed Molag bal on PC in the IC sewer event? The cap is never going to go to where it once was. Or else it will happen again.

The player who did that, had 300 CP. He was emperor at the time. The cap has had no effect on preventing what you fear, since it does not even apply to the player in question.

The Cap is being raised at a terribly slow rate. Its like ZoS is telling us, "please don't play this game too much, you are not supposed to be at cap yet".

Huh where in the world did you hear that???? That is completely incorrect he had over 60k magicka and over 2k CP. they even said it in an ESO live episode. Go watch it for yourself. If you still try to argue then I'm guessing your his friend trying to defend him. The video is on youtube look it up.

You have no idea do you? That guy was emperor when he did that. And every sorc emperor can solo molag bal if he is slightly capable and has some time at hands. That has nothing to do with champion points. I don't know that guy but I know that a friend of mine soloed molag bal as well a few weeks ago while he was emp. No big deal he said.

Aimora · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter is too low

Far too low I am currently at 526 CP's and will probably hit the new cap before TG arrives, so will always be ahead of the game, I don't see the point of a progression system if it doesn't allow you to progress. Catering to the lowest gainers leaves everyone else shackled - to me 101 seems a better number

Refuse2GrowUp · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter is too low

The issue of player equity aside (and the fact that I work hard for my CPs and ultra casuals are catching up thus negating my hard work)...

It is too easy to get CP. I enjoy forward progression. The game gets stale when I feel I am not progressing in some way. You can only run the same dungeons and trials so many times before they suck the life out of you. And PvP stays mostly interesting tho zerg balls are killing the fun. It is the forward progression that rounds the game out for me and keeps me driving forward.

Shogunami · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter seems about right

I was surprised when I heard that the incremental increase would be 51 CP, pleasantly surprised. However, I wouldn't mind them upping that value a bit if they make the catch up mechanic faster.

People need to remember that not everyone plays several hours every day. Some people play a few hours, a few days a week, and will fall (have already fallen) far behind and are unable to compete with the grinders.

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

51cp every 3 months means I'll always reach the cap if I spend about 30min per day with questing.
Seems as if they want to get rid of all the players who have a subscription or buy scrolls and rings of mara to get more xp.

Technically impossible, but sure. (Unless you've found an exploit you'd like to share with us?)
I've done maybe 50 quests in two-three weeks, WITH catch up mechanic and I've gotten maybe 70-80 CP, this includes daily boss quests and killing almost every day.

Unless you mean 30 minutes questing every day for three months? Sure.

obscure7 · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter seems about right

I am willing to trade low caps and my inability to spend my CP in order to keep the game attractive to new players.

Jhunn · January 2016

TERMINAT0R_XVII wrote: »

All of you guys who say its too low seem to be forgetting why the CP cap was put in place in the first place. You remember the guy who soloed Molag bal on PC in the IC sewer event? The cap is never going to go to where it once was. Or else it will happen again. Then the game will be no fun anymore because everyone can solo everything and no need for grouping. This is an mmo not a skyrim copy. If you want to solo everything go play skyrim ok? The cap most likely will not go above 1,200. So for those who farmed to the CP cap becore orsinium, dont expect to see those CP again.

He was emperor. Lol.

Jura23 · January 2016

51 CP per Quarter is too low

mtwiggz wrote: »

51 CP per quarter is far too low. Fifteen years to max out the CP system is absolutely ludacris. Even 90 would have been a better number. One CP per day every day of the quarter. Definitely reasonable.

In such case of 90 CP per quarter we would reach the hard cap in 8.5 years. Which to me still seems too long, but it's more reasonable than FIFTEEN years.

I walys felt like 1cp per day should be minimum taken into consideration. I guess I was wrong.