You see your Sorcerer DD hard casting frags

Shadesofkin · January 2016

Help him/her constructively or stop trying to run with pugs and join a guild.

Nifty2g · January 2016

Rylana wrote: »

I look at you out of the corner of my eye and dare you to tell me to stop.

Kick me from the group? Good luck finding someone outside of a premade die hard group doing as much damage as I was, your loss.

I then laugh at people saying they will waste their stam bashing me in some kind of pseudo challenge to kill me in PvP.

I then laugh at people saying they will waste their stam trying to defensive posture me in PvP.

I then laugh at everyone talking about waiting for a proc for 20 percent more damage at lower cost... when during all that time generating a proc, they arent really doing anything that does significant damage anyway. Degeneration? lol. Crushing shock? lol. curse? lol.

When....

every 1.5 seconds...

20k 20k 20k 20k 20k 20k 20k

And I never run out of juice. I only have to hit one button. I have it easy. Just like a wrecking blow spammer.

Tell me again how to play.

I mean, I COULD throw on overload, but thats just overkill by this point. then its 30k 30k 30k 30k 30k 30k

So tell me more about attack weaving 4k crushing shocks with ~10k medium/heavies. top fricken kek. Animation cancel weaves are for plebs.

And no, this post is not sarcasm. I legit despise this hard cast taboo, because the people that perpetuate it are utter morons. A hard cast sorc can do over 15k DPS just pushing one button, you DPS meter junkies really need to get out more. The amount of mouse acrobatics with "rotations" you try to persuade/shame players into using, for what really amounts oftentimes to negligible increases (and usually results in actually LOWER damage numbers), is ridiculous.

Destro for AoE trash killing, throw on power surge + frags with dual wield, and maybe a damage shield if you do so much damn damage you end up pulling aggro. gg, sorc isnt some uber complex thing to play. PROTIP - the more sorc abilities on your bar the more damage you do. Check the passives once. Hell if you really want to be hardcore, throw in an entropy between every hardcast just to empower every one of them, you might even get a proc frag in between hardcasts.

Sorc is hard. -eyeroll-

Edit to add: I do 15-20k DPS sustain single without overload as a sorc using dual wield and sorc abilities. if i pop overload I go into 25-30k territory. If i even use a destro staff (oftentimes I run resto on the backbar just cause i hate switching gear around) the only change is ill swap out healing ward for ele ring because sorcs lack a spammable lowcost non-synergy dependent aoe. The last thing I need is single target help in any form.

dps means damage per second not damage per cast

you say every 1.5 seconds is 20,000 damage and your average is 15-20k (which is considered pretty low these days unless you're talking about Sanctum). But anyway the cast is 1.5 seconds but take into considered how far away you are you're probably hitting 20,000 damage (or less depending on crit) every 2 seconds, which equals you out to ~10,000 damage.

Why not just use Force Pulse, Mines, Lightning Splash, and Crystal Frag as they proc?

Flaminir · January 2016

This discussion has made me curious....

I think I'm going to go and have a little test and see what the difference is.

Do a boss on my current build..... no ulti's.... and use my normal Liquid lightning, force pulse, frag proc, medium weave rotation... and then another built around spamming CFrags.

For the Cfrags test switch to dual wield, stack into Thaumaturge.... see what the difference actually is!

Praeficere · January 2016

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Lol, you need regen for pve dps?

Besides that you're completely missing the point by 'countering' my argument.

Keep on hard-casting those cfrags!

To be fair, you would need regen without resource aid from another in your group.

Heindrich · January 2016

I try to offer basic advice and tell them to check out Tamriel Foundry.

But even though I am always polite about it, quite often the response is silence or "I'm just having fun man" or "don't tell me how to play!".

I've learnt to adjust my expectations. For easy dungeons where I can do all the dps necessary for completion, then it doesn't matter and I say nothing, for moderately hard dungeons I make sure to at least bring one or two friends I know to be capable of carrying a bad noobie. For the hardest dungeons I only run with friends and ask any randoms to show achievement.

Honestly I am not an elitist, but I don't have 2hrs to waste on a pledge run that cudda taken 25mins.

NateAssassin · January 2016

tfw sorc w/ no kena 2 pc

Browiseth · January 2016

I question why they're not stamina, kick them and three-man challenge mode the dungeon

Edit: the ego is cancerous in this thread

a1x23 · January 2016

As a sorc DPS, i gotta say hard casting frags happens accidentally all the time. Now if you see them repeatedly hard casting thats a different issue

nine9six · January 2016

I'd ask if he / she would like to spend some time going over their build after we're done doing whatever we're doing, solely in the name of increasing their DPS.

Also, mention to them while we're doing whatever we're doing that you shouldn't really be hard casting CF.

It's a fixable problem that some people aren't familiar with.

LadyNalcarya · January 2016

Haha, once I met a sorc healer that hardcasted frags instead of healing

When asked, what the hell is going on, he replied that he wanted to practice dpsing.

DatRascal · January 2016

Hard casting just happens...you think frags is still up but the split second you hit it, you find yourself hard casting. I normally just cancel with a light or force weave. Not really a big deal.

Tryxus · January 2016

Emma_Overload · January 2016

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The worst thing is getting called a noob for using DW on your buff/Overload bar, all you can do is facepalm and link your 25k+ dps at the end of the fight.

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Sorry Ive never rolled a Sorc. Why is hard casting Frags bad as opposed to exiling a blue card and losing 1 life to pay for it?

20% less dmg, 50% higher cost and a cast time of 1 second (which feels more like 1,5-2 seconds).

The underlaying issue is that the sorc in question doesnt understand his class if he's hard-casting cfrags so his dps will be low and he will probably die easily.

5x Kags/Julianos, 2x torugs, 3x willpower, Kena/Bloodspawn 4x divines 3xinfused (prismatics on infused, magicka on others) - 40k Magicka. 2k recovery, 22k health, Dual wield swords, atro mundus, 3500 spell damage, 501 champs will 75/75 split on theurm and elfborn

Literally I need 3 total abilities on my bar to counter your whole argument, and I will do both 15k-25k DPS and not die a single time.

Frag/HardenedWard with Overload ultimate. And all i will do is spam overload light attacks and hardcast frags (ill throw in a light attack on my offbar for ultigen or put ele ring for trash clearing here and there).

gg

Lol, you need regen for pve dps?

Besides that you're completely missing the point by 'countering' my argument.

Keep on hard-casting those cfrags!

Youre missing the point. I am a pvper. That is my PvP suit. Even better its my only suit. (Kags version) I dont need fancy smancy elitist uberyoutube herpaderp to match numbers with durr pve'ers.

A PvP suit... able to do just as well as a PvE copypastafromdeltiaswebsite thinking the end all be all of the game is anim cancelling.

I will keep hardcasting, because the real jokes on you =D

But please, PLEASE, keep propagating the hilarious notion that its "bad."

I take out pro pvpers every damn day with hardcasts because they do over 10k pvp damage. Its kinda funny how that works out. Spend all your stam dodging or casting def posture, im not even at 90 percent resources yet. And the frag goes on.

Let me put it differently, if hard-casting Cfrags would do more dps than Force Pulse weave, everyone would do it because you only have to press one button repeatedly.

Your dps could be higher, thats all Im saying..

Your DPS IS higher by hard casting Frags, BUT you have to weave medium attacks. It works exactly the same as weaving medium attacks with Wrecking Blow... the underlying timing mechanic is EXACTLY the same. You can easily fit a Frag/Blast AND a medium attack in 1300 milliseconds.

The only problem with hard cast Frags is the magicka cost, because you're only getting Elemental Drain returns on the weaved weapon attack.

LadyNalcarya · January 2016

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The worst thing is getting called a noob for using DW on your buff/Overload bar, all you can do is facepalm and link your 25k+ dps at the end of the fight.

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Sorry Ive never rolled a Sorc. Why is hard casting Frags bad as opposed to exiling a blue card and losing 1 life to pay for it?

20% less dmg, 50% higher cost and a cast time of 1 second (which feels more like 1,5-2 seconds).

The underlaying issue is that the sorc in question doesnt understand his class if he's hard-casting cfrags so his dps will be low and he will probably die easily.

5x Kags/Julianos, 2x torugs, 3x willpower, Kena/Bloodspawn 4x divines 3xinfused (prismatics on infused, magicka on others) - 40k Magicka. 2k recovery, 22k health, Dual wield swords, atro mundus, 3500 spell damage, 501 champs will 75/75 split on theurm and elfborn

Literally I need 3 total abilities on my bar to counter your whole argument, and I will do both 15k-25k DPS and not die a single time.

Frag/HardenedWard with Overload ultimate. And all i will do is spam overload light attacks and hardcast frags (ill throw in a light attack on my offbar for ultigen or put ele ring for trash clearing here and there).

gg

Lol, you need regen for pve dps?

Besides that you're completely missing the point by 'countering' my argument.

Keep on hard-casting those cfrags!

Youre missing the point. I am a pvper. That is my PvP suit. Even better its my only suit. (Kags version) I dont need fancy smancy elitist uberyoutube herpaderp to match numbers with durr pve'ers.

A PvP suit... able to do just as well as a PvE copypastafromdeltiaswebsite thinking the end all be all of the game is anim cancelling.

I will keep hardcasting, because the real jokes on you =D

But please, PLEASE, keep propagating the hilarious notion that its "bad."

I take out pro pvpers every damn day with hardcasts because they do over 10k pvp damage. Its kinda funny how that works out. Spend all your stam dodging or casting def posture, im not even at 90 percent resources yet. And the frag goes on.

Let me put it differently, if hard-casting Cfrags would do more dps than Force Pulse weave, everyone would do it because you only have to press one button repeatedly.

Your dps could be higher, thats all Im saying..

Your DPS IS higher by hard casting Frags, BUT you have to weave medium attacks. It works exactly the same as weaving medium attacks with Wrecking Blow... the underlying timing mechanic is EXACTLY the same. You can easily fit a Frag/Blast AND a medium attack in 1300 milliseconds.

The only problem with hard cast Frags is the magicka cost, because you're only getting Elemental Drain returns on the weaved weapon attack.

Actually weaving force pulse and shooting frags when they proc is much more efficient...

Emma_Overload · January 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The worst thing is getting called a noob for using DW on your buff/Overload bar, all you can do is facepalm and link your 25k+ dps at the end of the fight.

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Sorry Ive never rolled a Sorc. Why is hard casting Frags bad as opposed to exiling a blue card and losing 1 life to pay for it?

20% less dmg, 50% higher cost and a cast time of 1 second (which feels more like 1,5-2 seconds).

The underlaying issue is that the sorc in question doesnt understand his class if he's hard-casting cfrags so his dps will be low and he will probably die easily.

5x Kags/Julianos, 2x torugs, 3x willpower, Kena/Bloodspawn 4x divines 3xinfused (prismatics on infused, magicka on others) - 40k Magicka. 2k recovery, 22k health, Dual wield swords, atro mundus, 3500 spell damage, 501 champs will 75/75 split on theurm and elfborn

Literally I need 3 total abilities on my bar to counter your whole argument, and I will do both 15k-25k DPS and not die a single time.

Frag/HardenedWard with Overload ultimate. And all i will do is spam overload light attacks and hardcast frags (ill throw in a light attack on my offbar for ultigen or put ele ring for trash clearing here and there).

gg

Lol, you need regen for pve dps?

Besides that you're completely missing the point by 'countering' my argument.

Keep on hard-casting those cfrags!

Youre missing the point. I am a pvper. That is my PvP suit. Even better its my only suit. (Kags version) I dont need fancy smancy elitist uberyoutube herpaderp to match numbers with durr pve'ers.

A PvP suit... able to do just as well as a PvE copypastafromdeltiaswebsite thinking the end all be all of the game is anim cancelling.

I will keep hardcasting, because the real jokes on you =D

But please, PLEASE, keep propagating the hilarious notion that its "bad."

I take out pro pvpers every damn day with hardcasts because they do over 10k pvp damage. Its kinda funny how that works out. Spend all your stam dodging or casting def posture, im not even at 90 percent resources yet. And the frag goes on.

Let me put it differently, if hard-casting Cfrags would do more dps than Force Pulse weave, everyone would do it because you only have to press one button repeatedly.

Your dps could be higher, thats all Im saying..

Your DPS IS higher by hard casting Frags, BUT you have to weave medium attacks. It works exactly the same as weaving medium attacks with Wrecking Blow... the underlying timing mechanic is EXACTLY the same. You can easily fit a Frag/Blast AND a medium attack in 1300 milliseconds.

The only problem with hard cast Frags is the magicka cost, because you're only getting Elemental Drain returns on the weaved weapon attack.

Actually weaving force pulse and shooting frags when they proc is much more efficient...

Of course it's more "efficient" because the magicka cost of a procced Frag is cut in half and Force Pulse is cheap to begin with, but it's not higher DPS. Furthermore, splitting CP between Thaumaturge and Elemental damage only makes the DPS gap worse.

Moonshadow66 · January 2016

If only I knew what "hard casting" means.. I guess it's a language issue again.
Maybe I hard cast it, maybe not; I just use it whenever I feel it's the best moment, that's all.

GhostwalkerLD · January 2016

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

If only I knew what "hard casting" means.. I guess it's a language issue again.
Maybe I hard cast it, maybe not; I just use it whenever I feel it's the best moment, that's all.

@Moonshadow66 , "hard casting" I'm guessing means casting Crystal Shard/Frag for the full cast time (1.5 seconds), instead of waiting for it's "instant cast" proc when your hands glow purple (from casting other spells).

Julianos · January 2016

i would kiss him on the forehead

Moonshadow66 · January 2016

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

If only I knew what "hard casting" means.. I guess it's a language issue again.
Maybe I hard cast it, maybe not; I just use it whenever I feel it's the best moment, that's all.

@Moonshadow66 , "hard casting" I'm guessing means casting Crystal Shard/Frag for the full cast time (1.5 seconds), instead of waiting for it's "instant cast" proc when your hands glow purple (from casting other spells).

Ooooh, ok, thank you so much for the explanation, I had no idea! Well, so I guess I'm a hard-caster lol
The thing is that I didn't even know that you can get the instant-cast chance from casting other spells as well, so I just cast it until it becomes an insta-cast every once in a while. Good to know, thanks again

GhostwalkerLD · January 2016

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

If only I knew what "hard casting" means.. I guess it's a language issue again.
Maybe I hard cast it, maybe not; I just use it whenever I feel it's the best moment, that's all.

@Moonshadow66 , "hard casting" I'm guessing means casting Crystal Shard/Frag for the full cast time (1.5 seconds), instead of waiting for it's "instant cast" proc when your hands glow purple (from casting other spells).

Ooooh, ok, thank you so much for the explanation, I had no idea! Well, so I guess I'm a hard-caster lol
The thing is that I didn't even know that you can get the instant-cast chance from casting other spells as well, so I just cast it until it becomes an insta-cast every once in a while. Good to know, thanks again

@Moonshadow66 Indeed! In fact, casting OTHER spells is the only way to get the instant cast to proc!

I didn't figure that out for a few months, but it make sense! Would be a bit too OP if it could proc the instant cast by casting itself!

leepalmer95 · January 2016

Buff up with entropy or such.

Put liquid lightning down.

Weave force pulse/crushing with medium fire attacks and use frag when proc'd = more dps. It isn't hard. More ult regen + less magicka cost.

2 hard casted frags = 3 medium weaves + 3 force pulse (or 1-2 + 1-2 proc frags.)

Statistically it's 3 medium weaves + 2 force pules + 1 hardcasted frags. + liquid dmg.

Moonshadow66 · January 2016

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

If only I knew what "hard casting" means.. I guess it's a language issue again.
Maybe I hard cast it, maybe not; I just use it whenever I feel it's the best moment, that's all.

@Moonshadow66 , "hard casting" I'm guessing means casting Crystal Shard/Frag for the full cast time (1.5 seconds), instead of waiting for it's "instant cast" proc when your hands glow purple (from casting other spells).

Ooooh, ok, thank you so much for the explanation, I had no idea! Well, so I guess I'm a hard-caster lol
The thing is that I didn't even know that you can get the instant-cast chance from casting other spells as well, so I just cast it until it becomes an insta-cast every once in a while. Good to know, thanks again

@Moonshadow66 Indeed! In fact, casting OTHER spells is the only way to get the instant cast to proc! I didn't figure that out for a few months, but it make sense! Would be a bit too OP if it could proc the instant cast by casting itself!

@GhostwalkerLD Today I tried checking the hands for a purple glow, but I didn't see a thing. This character is using Inner Light as well, so there's always some glow or "smoke" around everything in that area. I guess it's best to see in 1st person then? Because I'm in 3rd and won't go back to 1st. I'm also zoomed out about a mile, at least most of the time, so it's really hard to tell if the hands are a tad more purple than before or not.. as a matter of fact, I could not tell at all.

What I also don't get is why nowhere in the skill description of CF does it tell the player that other skills/spells are required for this morph to work; how on earth am I supposed to know this (except for reading it here)? And why would it be OP if it's triggered by (hard-) casting CF?

For my taste, there's too much stuff in the game that is nowhere explained to the player how it actually works. I don't know how often other players (friends) ask me things about how "this" or "that" works and all that, which I only can tell them just because I'm reading the forum(s). Imo, the forum shouldn't be required to read just to get ALL infos about in-game functions.

Anyways, thanks again for your help, much appreciated nonetheless

Islyn · January 2016

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Sorry Ive never rolled a Sorc. Why is hard casting Frags bad as opposed to exiling a blue card and losing 1 life to pay for it?

Because is has no cast time if you wait for a proc using force pulse weaves single target/aoe if trash mobs

Should be using (in pve) force pulse weaves unless on overload.

I cannot say for pvp.

ETA and as stated above. Exactly.

Mojmir · January 2016

I love my add one that tells me when i have insta cast. But yet i still hard cast lol

Xantaria · January 2016

ESO developers play like this aswell and that's probably the main reason they can't balance the game.

daemonios · January 2016

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

If only I knew what "hard casting" means.. I guess it's a language issue again.
Maybe I hard cast it, maybe not; I just use it whenever I feel it's the best moment, that's all.

@Moonshadow66 , "hard casting" I'm guessing means casting Crystal Shard/Frag for the full cast time (1.5 seconds), instead of waiting for it's "instant cast" proc when your hands glow purple (from casting other spells).

Ooooh, ok, thank you so much for the explanation, I had no idea! Well, so I guess I'm a hard-caster lol
The thing is that I didn't even know that you can get the instant-cast chance from casting other spells as well, so I just cast it until it becomes an insta-cast every once in a while. Good to know, thanks again

@Moonshadow66 Indeed! In fact, casting OTHER spells is the only way to get the instant cast to proc! I didn't figure that out for a few months, but it make sense! Would be a bit too OP if it could proc the instant cast by casting itself!

@GhostwalkerLD Today I tried checking the hands for a purple glow, but I didn't see a thing. This character is using Inner Light as well, so there's always some glow or "smoke" around everything in that area. I guess it's best to see in 1st person then? Because I'm in 3rd and won't go back to 1st. I'm also zoomed out about a mile, at least most of the time, so it's really hard to tell if the hands are a tad more purple than before or not.. as a matter of fact, I could not tell at all.

What I also don't get is why nowhere in the skill description of CF does it tell the player that other skills/spells are required for this morph to work; how on earth am I supposed to know this (except for reading it here)? And why would it be OP if it's triggered by (hard-) casting CF?

For my taste, there's too much stuff in the game that is nowhere explained to the player how it actually works. I don't know how often other players (friends) ask me things about how "this" or "that" works and all that, which I only can tell them just because I'm reading the forum(s). Imo, the forum shouldn't be required to read just to get ALL infos about in-game functions.

Anyways, thanks again for your help, much appreciated nonetheless

Usually, everything that "procs" in this game has a visual and audio cure. For frags there's the glowing hands but also a very distinctive sound. It's tricky to notice all the cues in fight because of all the mess, especially visual cues when you have all kinds of light effects and things proccing, but in any case I never fight in 1st person perspective - you lose all perception of your surroundings, AoE on the ground, etc. Strongly advise against it.

Xantaria · January 2016

Rylana wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The worst thing is getting called a noob for using DW on your buff/Overload bar, all you can do is facepalm and link your 25k+ dps at the end of the fight.

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Sorry Ive never rolled a Sorc. Why is hard casting Frags bad as opposed to exiling a blue card and losing 1 life to pay for it?

20% less dmg, 50% higher cost and a cast time of 1 second (which feels more like 1,5-2 seconds).

The underlaying issue is that the sorc in question doesnt understand his class if he's hard-casting cfrags so his dps will be low and he will probably die easily.

5x Kags/Julianos, 2x torugs, 3x willpower, Kena/Bloodspawn 4x divines 3xinfused (prismatics on infused, magicka on others) - 40k Magicka. 2k recovery, 22k health, Dual wield swords, atro mundus, 3500 spell damage, 501 champs will 75/75 split on theurm and elfborn

Literally I need 3 total abilities on my bar to counter your whole argument, and I will do both 15k-25k DPS and not die a single time.

Frag/HardenedWard with Overload ultimate. And all i will do is spam overload light attacks and hardcast frags (ill throw in a light attack on my offbar for ultigen or put ele ring for trash clearing here and there).

gg

Lol, you need regen for pve dps?

Besides that you're completely missing the point by 'countering' my argument.

Keep on hard-casting those cfrags!

Youre missing the point. I am a pvper. That is my PvP suit. Even better its my only suit. (Kags version) I dont need fancy smancy elitist uberyoutube herpaderp to match numbers with durr pve'ers.

A PvP suit... able to do just as well as a PvE copypastafromdeltiaswebsite thinking the end all be all of the game is anim cancelling.

I will keep hardcasting, because the real jokes on you =D

But please, PLEASE, keep propagating the hilarious notion that its "bad."

I take out pro pvpers every damn day with hardcasts because they do over 10k pvp damage. Its kinda funny how that works out. Spend all your stam dodging or casting def posture, im not even at 90 percent resources yet. And the frag goes on.

LOL

Flameheart · January 2016

a1x23 wrote: »

As a sorc DPS, i gotta say hard casting frags happens accidentally all the time. Now if you see them repeatedly hard casting thats a different issue

This. Actually AUI should gimme a message crossover my screen for a frag proc, but it doesn't work for me, although the message is enabled in the addon settings. So I need to notice that frag proc buff in my buff bars. In 99% of all times I cast it instant, but it might happen once in a while that it is hard cast.

Islyn · January 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

I love my add one that tells me when i have insta cast. But yet i still hard cast lol

I know right? I sometimes have the purple hands with the black mini frags (you know what I mean) and she'll start winding up for a hard cast....?

Mojmir · January 2016

Flameheart wrote: »

a1x23 wrote: »

As a sorc DPS, i gotta say hard casting frags happens accidentally all the time. Now if you see them repeatedly hard casting thats a different issue

This. Actually AUI should gimme a message crossover my screen for a frag proc, but it doesn't work for me, although the message is enabled in the addon settings. So I need to notice that frag proc buff in my buff bars. In 99% of all times I cast it instant, but it might happen once in a while that it is hard cast.

It works for me, i had to adjust it a few times to get it to show