You see your Sorcerer DD hard casting frags

Kammakazi · December 2015

What do you do?

NateAssassin · December 2015

kick him and blame group finder

Makkir · December 2015

Offer him flowers for his funeral

Valrien · December 2015

Tell him he broke the golden rule of Sorc DPS and kick him.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · December 2015

I had a Duel Wield tank that didn't know aggro was. He eventually decided my heals were crap and quit the group.

In these situations, you simply check your patience reserves, and see if you have it in you to help a new player. If you kick him, hes just going to be hard casting in someone else's group. Sometimes all it takes is a few comments if you are feeling nice to steer someone on to the right direction. Other times you will get a "Don't Tell me how to play my character" type of response and there's nothing you can do.

In PvP, there is always one person in every siege that is on a Fire ballista shooting straight at the postern door. I whispered them and told them it did no damage and they should aim for the wall next to the door. This has worked 2/3 times.

TL;DR: Help new players or don't run in pugs.

lolo_01b16_ESO · December 2015

Lure him to pvp, secretly switch alliance and bash him every time he tries to hardcast frags untill he learns it.

Flaminir · December 2015

As Yolokin says... try and help...

A whisper only takes a few seconds. I find that a whisper often goes down better than writing publicly in a group chat. The people that are going to get crappy will do anyway... but many feel a bit self conscious if they are doing something very wrong... and that's easier for them to adjust and less likely to provoke a negative reaction I find when done 1 on 1 via whispering.

All in all... just try and be friendly, positive, and provide guidance.

Don't just kick automatically... that doesn't help anybody, you'll need to find another player... and who knows, maybe the winds of fate will put that person in your group again in the future!

Flaminir · December 2015

Valrien wrote: »

Tell him he broke the golden rule of Sorc DPS and kick him.

That he wasn't spamming overload while wearing Kena?

CavalierPrime · December 2015

Sorry Ive never rolled a Sorc. Why is hard casting Frags bad as opposed to exiling a blue card and losing 1 life to pay for it?

DannyLV702 · December 2015

I always solo four man dungeons simply by hard casting frags. True story.

Valrien · December 2015

Flaminir wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Tell him he broke the golden rule of Sorc DPS and kick him.

That he wasn't spamming overload while wearing Kena?

I don't even wear Kena :P I was talking about the fact that you never hardcast frags.

PBpsy · December 2015

Be thankful that he does not hard spam Crystal blast while they stay in one spot the whole fight until they die the seventh time and I decide not to rez them.
Yes that happens.

AzraelKrieg · December 2015

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

I had a Duel Wield tank that didn't know aggro was. He eventually decided my heals were crap and quit the group.

In these situations, you simply check your patience reserves, and see if you have it in you to help a new player. If you kick him, hes just going to be hard casting in someone else's group. Sometimes all it takes is a few comments if you are feeling nice to steer someone on to the right direction. Other times you will get a "Don't Tell me how to play my character" type of response and there's nothing you can do.

In PvP, there is always one person in every siege that is on a Fire ballista shooting straight at the postern door. I whispered them and told them it did no damage and they should aim for the wall next to the door. This has worked 2/3 times.

TL;DR: Help new players or don't run in pugs.

Something similar happened to a couple of guildmates of mine. They had a tank that would go in and spam steel tornado and then not have enough stamina to actually do any tanking.

Sithisvoid · December 2015

I would actually explain to him the 20% more dmg and reduced cost of the proc were more beneficial. Try it out sometimes it works wonders. If they don't listen, well you did your part.

Robo_Hobo · December 2015

I only just recently found out that the purple glowing hands was the indicator that instant cast was ready, at vet level 7 or 8 lol. Ive only ever done one group dungeon once though.

Mettaricana · December 2015

If I see your sorc hard casting.. my sorc uses defensive stance.

Rylana · December 2015

I look at you out of the corner of my eye and dare you to tell me to stop.

Kick me from the group? Good luck finding someone outside of a premade die hard group doing as much damage as I was, your loss.

I then laugh at people saying they will waste their stam bashing me in some kind of pseudo challenge to kill me in PvP.

I then laugh at people saying they will waste their stam trying to defensive posture me in PvP.

I then laugh at everyone talking about waiting for a proc for 20 percent more damage at lower cost... when during all that time generating a proc, they arent really doing anything that does significant damage anyway. Degeneration? lol. Crushing shock? lol. curse? lol.

When....

every 1.5 seconds...

20k 20k 20k 20k 20k 20k 20k

And I never run out of juice. I only have to hit one button. I have it easy. Just like a wrecking blow spammer.

Tell me again how to play.

I mean, I COULD throw on overload, but thats just overkill by this point. then its 30k 30k 30k 30k 30k 30k

So tell me more about attack weaving 4k crushing shocks with ~10k medium/heavies. top fricken kek. Animation cancel weaves are for plebs.

And no, this post is not sarcasm. I legit despise this hard cast taboo, because the people that perpetuate it are utter morons. A hard cast sorc can do over 15k DPS just pushing one button, you DPS meter junkies really need to get out more. The amount of mouse acrobatics with "rotations" you try to persuade/shame players into using, for what really amounts oftentimes to negligible increases (and usually results in actually LOWER damage numbers), is ridiculous.

Destro for AoE trash killing, throw on power surge + frags with dual wield, and maybe a damage shield if you do so much damn damage you end up pulling aggro. gg, sorc isnt some uber complex thing to play. PROTIP - the more sorc abilities on your bar the more damage you do. Check the passives once. Hell if you really want to be hardcore, throw in an entropy between every hardcast just to empower every one of them, you might even get a proc frag in between hardcasts.

Sorc is hard. -eyeroll-

Edit to add: I do 15-20k DPS sustain single without overload as a sorc using dual wield and sorc abilities. if i pop overload I go into 25-30k territory. If i even use a destro staff (oftentimes I run resto on the backbar just cause i hate switching gear around) the only change is ill swap out healing ward for ele ring because sorcs lack a spammable lowcost non-synergy dependent aoe. The last thing I need is single target help in any form.

hrothbern · December 2015

Kammakazi wrote: »

What do you do?

In that situation: whisper

I checked just now BTW how much usefull info there is on the ESO Forum on Frags for the unexperienced.

Zero

ofc there are very detailed posts that are absolutely usefull for experienced players. Sharing between pro's.
But also absolutely useless for newbies !

It would not hurt either when the very experienced write now and then on a e.g. a specific ability a small simple manual for dummies. Sharing with newbies.

Combat & Character Mechanics is a nice place to do that.

Septimus_Magna · December 2015

The worst thing is getting called a noob for using DW on your buff/Overload bar, all you can do is facepalm and link your 25k+ dps at the end of the fight.

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Sorry Ive never rolled a Sorc. Why is hard casting Frags bad as opposed to exiling a blue card and losing 1 life to pay for it?

20% less dmg, 50% higher cost and a cast time of 1 second (which feels more like 1,5-2 seconds).

The underlaying issue is that the sorc in question doesnt understand his class if he's hard-casting cfrags so his dps will be low and he will probably die easily.

Rylana · December 2015

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The worst thing is getting called a noob for using DW on your buff/Overload bar, all you can do is facepalm and link your 25k+ dps at the end of the fight.

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Sorry Ive never rolled a Sorc. Why is hard casting Frags bad as opposed to exiling a blue card and losing 1 life to pay for it?

20% less dmg, 50% higher cost and a cast time of 1 second (which feels more like 1,5-2 seconds).

The underlaying issue is that the sorc in question doesnt understand his class if he's hard-casting cfrags so his dps will be low and he will probably die easily.

5x Kags/Julianos, 2x torugs, 3x willpower, Kena/Bloodspawn 4x divines 3xinfused (prismatics on infused, magicka on others) - 40k Magicka. 2k recovery, 22k health, Dual wield swords, atro mundus, 3500 spell damage, 501 champs with 75/75 split on theurm and elfborn

Literally I need 3 total abilities on my bar to counter your whole argument, and I will do both 15k-25k DPS and not die a single time.

Frag/HardenedWard with Overload ultimate. And all i will do is spam overload light attacks and hardcast frags (ill throw in a light attack on my offbar for ultigen or put ele ring for trash clearing here and there).

gg

SienneYviete · December 2015

Rylana wrote: »

I look at you out of the corner of my eye and dare you to tell me to stop.

Kick me from the group? Good luck finding someone outside of a premade die hard group doing as much damage as I was, your loss.

I then laugh at people saying they will waste their stam bashing me in some kind of pseudo challenge to kill me in PvP.

I then laugh at people saying they will waste their stam trying to defensive posture me in PvP.

I then laugh at everyone talking about waiting for a proc for 20 percent more damage at lower cost... when during all that time generating a proc, they arent really doing anything that does significant damage anyway. Degeneration? lol. Crushing shock? lol. curse? lol.

When....

every 1.5 seconds...

20k 20k 20k 20k 20k 20k 20k

And I never run out of juice. I only have to hit one button. I have it easy. Just like a wrecking blow spammer.

Tell me again how to play.

I mean, I COULD throw on overload, but thats just overkill by this point. then its 30k 30k 30k 30k 30k 30k

So tell me more about attack weaving 4k crushing shocks with ~10k medium/heavies. top fricken kek. Animation cancel weaves are for plebs.

And no, this post is not sarcasm. I legit despise this hard cast taboo, because the people that perpetuate it are utter morons. A hard cast sorc can do over 15k DPS just pushing one button, you DPS meter junkies really need to get out more. The amount of mouse acrobatics with "rotations" you try to persuade/shame players into using, for what really amounts oftentimes to negligible increases (and usually results in actually LOWER damage numbers), is ridiculous.

Destro for AoE trash killing, throw on power surge + frags with dual wield, and maybe a damage shield if you do so much damn damage you end up pulling aggro. gg, sorc isnt some uber complex thing to play. PROTIP - the more sorc abilities on your bar the more damage you do. Check the passives once. Hell if you really want to be hardcore, throw in an entropy between every hardcast just to empower every one of them, you might even get a proc frag in between hardcasts.

Sorc is hard. -eyeroll-

Edit to add: I do 15-20k DPS sustain single without overload as a sorc using dual wield and sorc abilities. if i pop overload I go into 25-30k territory. If i even use a destro staff (oftentimes I run resto on the backbar just cause i hate switching gear around) the only change is ill swap out healing ward for ele ring because sorcs lack a spammable lowcost non-synergy dependent aoe. The last thing I need is single target help in any form.

☐ not REKT ☑ REKT

hard casting frags ftw

Septimus_Magna · December 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The worst thing is getting called a noob for using DW on your buff/Overload bar, all you can do is facepalm and link your 25k+ dps at the end of the fight.

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Sorry Ive never rolled a Sorc. Why is hard casting Frags bad as opposed to exiling a blue card and losing 1 life to pay for it?

20% less dmg, 50% higher cost and a cast time of 1 second (which feels more like 1,5-2 seconds).

The underlaying issue is that the sorc in question doesnt understand his class if he's hard-casting cfrags so his dps will be low and he will probably die easily.

5x Kags/Julianos, 2x torugs, 3x willpower, Kena/Bloodspawn 4x divines 3xinfused (prismatics on infused, magicka on others) - 40k Magicka. 2k recovery, 22k health, Dual wield swords, atro mundus, 3500 spell damage, 501 champs will 75/75 split on theurm and elfborn

Literally I need 3 total abilities on my bar to counter your whole argument, and I will do both 15k-25k DPS and not die a single time.

Frag/HardenedWard with Overload ultimate. And all i will do is spam overload light attacks and hardcast frags (ill throw in a light attack on my offbar for ultigen or put ele ring for trash clearing here and there).

gg

Lol, you need regen for pve dps?

Besides that you're completely missing the point by 'countering' my argument.

Keep on hard-casting those cfrags!

daemonios · December 2015

Valrien wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Tell him he broke the golden rule of Sorc DPS and kick him.

That he wasn't spamming overload while wearing Kena?

I don't even wear Kena :P I was talking about the fact that you never hardcast frags.

Except from stealth as an opener in PvP

Sithisvoid · December 2015

Rylana wrote: »

I look at you out of the corner of my eye and dare you to tell me to stop.

Kick me from the group? Good luck finding someone outside of a premade die hard group doing as much damage as I was, your loss.

I then laugh at people saying they will waste their stam bashing me in some kind of pseudo challenge to kill me in PvP.

I then laugh at people saying they will waste their stam trying to defensive posture me in PvP.

I then laugh at everyone talking about waiting for a proc for 20 percent more damage at lower cost... when during all that time generating a proc, they arent really doing anything that does significant damage anyway. Degeneration? lol. Crushing shock? lol. curse? lol.

When....

every 1.5 seconds...

20k 20k 20k 20k 20k 20k 20k

And I never run out of juice. I only have to hit one button. I have it easy. Just like a wrecking blow spammer.

Tell me again how to play.

I mean, I COULD throw on overload, but thats just overkill by this point. then its 30k 30k 30k 30k 30k 30k

So tell me more about attack weaving 4k crushing shocks with ~10k medium/heavies. top fricken kek. Animation cancel weaves are for plebs.

And no, this post is not sarcasm. I legit despise this hard cast taboo, because the people that perpetuate it are utter morons. A hard cast sorc can do over 15k DPS just pushing one button, you DPS meter junkies really need to get out more. The amount of mouse acrobatics with "rotations" you try to persuade/shame players into using, for what really amounts oftentimes to negligible increases (and usually results in actually LOWER damage numbers), is ridiculous.

Destro for AoE trash killing, throw on power surge + frags with dual wield, and maybe a damage shield if you do so much damn damage you end up pulling aggro. gg, sorc isnt some uber complex thing to play. PROTIP - the more sorc abilities on your bar the more damage you do. Check the passives once. Hell if you really want to be hardcore, throw in an entropy between every hardcast just to empower every one of them, you might even get a proc frag in between hardcasts.

Sorc is hard. -eyeroll-

Edit to add: I do 15-20k DPS sustain single without overload as a sorc using dual wield and sorc abilities. if i pop overload I go into 25-30k territory. If i even use a destro staff (oftentimes I run resto on the backbar just cause i hate switching gear around) the only change is ill swap out healing ward for ele ring because sorcs lack a spammable lowcost non-synergy dependent aoe. The last thing I need is single target help in any form.

Nerf Sorc

Rylana · December 2015

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The worst thing is getting called a noob for using DW on your buff/Overload bar, all you can do is facepalm and link your 25k+ dps at the end of the fight.

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Sorry Ive never rolled a Sorc. Why is hard casting Frags bad as opposed to exiling a blue card and losing 1 life to pay for it?

20% less dmg, 50% higher cost and a cast time of 1 second (which feels more like 1,5-2 seconds).

The underlaying issue is that the sorc in question doesnt understand his class if he's hard-casting cfrags so his dps will be low and he will probably die easily.

5x Kags/Julianos, 2x torugs, 3x willpower, Kena/Bloodspawn 4x divines 3xinfused (prismatics on infused, magicka on others) - 40k Magicka. 2k recovery, 22k health, Dual wield swords, atro mundus, 3500 spell damage, 501 champs will 75/75 split on theurm and elfborn

Literally I need 3 total abilities on my bar to counter your whole argument, and I will do both 15k-25k DPS and not die a single time.

Frag/HardenedWard with Overload ultimate. And all i will do is spam overload light attacks and hardcast frags (ill throw in a light attack on my offbar for ultigen or put ele ring for trash clearing here and there).

gg

Lol, you need regen for pve dps?

Besides that you're completely missing the point by 'countering' my argument.

Keep on hard-casting those cfrags!

Youre missing the point. I am a pvper. That is my PvP suit. Even better its my only suit. (Kags version) I dont need fancy smancy elitist uberyoutube herpaderp to match numbers with durr pve'ers.

A PvP suit... able to do just as well as a PvE copypastafromdeltiaswebsite thinking the end all be all of the game is anim cancelling.

I will keep hardcasting, because the real jokes on you =D

But please, PLEASE, keep propagating the hilarious notion that its "bad."

I take out pro pvpers every damn day with hardcasts because they do over 10k pvp damage. Its kinda funny how that works out. Spend all your stam dodging or casting def posture, im not even at 90 percent resources yet. And the frag goes on.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · December 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The worst thing is getting called a noob for using DW on your buff/Overload bar, all you can do is facepalm and link your 25k+ dps at the end of the fight.

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Sorry Ive never rolled a Sorc. Why is hard casting Frags bad as opposed to exiling a blue card and losing 1 life to pay for it?

20% less dmg, 50% higher cost and a cast time of 1 second (which feels more like 1,5-2 seconds).

The underlaying issue is that the sorc in question doesnt understand his class if he's hard-casting cfrags so his dps will be low and he will probably die easily.

5x Kags/Julianos, 2x torugs, 3x willpower, Kena/Bloodspawn 4x divines 3xinfused (prismatics on infused, magicka on others) - 40k Magicka. 2k recovery, 22k health, Dual wield swords, atro mundus, 3500 spell damage, 501 champs will 75/75 split on theurm and elfborn

Literally I need 3 total abilities on my bar to counter your whole argument, and I will do both 15k-25k DPS and not die a single time.

Frag/HardenedWard with Overload ultimate. And all i will do is spam overload light attacks and hardcast frags (ill throw in a light attack on my offbar for ultigen or put ele ring for trash clearing here and there).

gg

Lol, you need regen for pve dps?

Besides that you're completely missing the point by 'countering' my argument.

Keep on hard-casting those cfrags!

Youre missing the point. I am a pvper. That is my PvP suit. I dont need fancy smancy elitist uberyoutube herpaderp to match numbers with durr pve'ers.

A PvP suit... able to do just as well as a PvE copypastafromdeltiaswebsite thinking the end all be all of the game is anim cancelling.

I will keep hardcasting, because the real jokes on you =D

But please, PLEASE, keep propagating the hilarious notion that its "bad."

I take out pro pvpers every damn day with hardcasts because they do over 10k pvp damage. Its kinda funny how that works out. Spend all your stam dodging or casting def posture, im not even at 90 percent resources yet. And the frag goes on.

Great job hijacking a thread for this same pedantic argument lol. It's highly unlikely (notice I didn't say impossible) that some random PUG hard casting C-Frags is going to be min/maxed enough that they are better off hard casting then actually learning what it means when their hands turn purple. It's generally better (note the lack of an absolute) for a new sorcerer (which is the type we are are talking about this thread) to learn how to use the crystal fragments morph for instant procs before they start figuring out when it is better to hardcast.

What you are doing is like criticizing a ski instructor from stopping a new skier who forgot their poles by pointing out that its possible and sometimes better to ski without them if you know what you are doing.

Every time this topic comes up, you jump to point out that hard casting isn't ALWAYS something you should avoid. Congratulations. You are arguing for an exception to an absolute. Which is one of the easiest things to do rhetorically. I've been careful to avoid any further absolutes in this response to try and prevent any further pettifogging.

Here: PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: There is a time and a place for everything, even hard-casting C-frags. Turn Turn Turn. Thank you Rylana for this mind-blowing revelation.

Now back to the topic of how we tactfully teach new players not to hard cast frags.

Septimus_Magna · December 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The worst thing is getting called a noob for using DW on your buff/Overload bar, all you can do is facepalm and link your 25k+ dps at the end of the fight.

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Sorry Ive never rolled a Sorc. Why is hard casting Frags bad as opposed to exiling a blue card and losing 1 life to pay for it?

20% less dmg, 50% higher cost and a cast time of 1 second (which feels more like 1,5-2 seconds).

The underlaying issue is that the sorc in question doesnt understand his class if he's hard-casting cfrags so his dps will be low and he will probably die easily.

5x Kags/Julianos, 2x torugs, 3x willpower, Kena/Bloodspawn 4x divines 3xinfused (prismatics on infused, magicka on others) - 40k Magicka. 2k recovery, 22k health, Dual wield swords, atro mundus, 3500 spell damage, 501 champs will 75/75 split on theurm and elfborn

Literally I need 3 total abilities on my bar to counter your whole argument, and I will do both 15k-25k DPS and not die a single time.

Frag/HardenedWard with Overload ultimate. And all i will do is spam overload light attacks and hardcast frags (ill throw in a light attack on my offbar for ultigen or put ele ring for trash clearing here and there).

gg

Lol, you need regen for pve dps?

Besides that you're completely missing the point by 'countering' my argument.

Keep on hard-casting those cfrags!

Youre missing the point. I am a pvper. That is my PvP suit. Even better its my only suit. (Kags version) I dont need fancy smancy elitist uberyoutube herpaderp to match numbers with durr pve'ers.

A PvP suit... able to do just as well as a PvE copypastafromdeltiaswebsite thinking the end all be all of the game is anim cancelling.

I will keep hardcasting, because the real jokes on you =D

But please, PLEASE, keep propagating the hilarious notion that its "bad."

I take out pro pvpers every damn day with hardcasts because they do over 10k pvp damage. Its kinda funny how that works out. Spend all your stam dodging or casting def posture, im not even at 90 percent resources yet. And the frag goes on.

Let me put it differently, if hard-casting Cfrags would do more dps than Force Pulse weave, everyone would do it because you only have to press one button repeatedly.

Your dps could be higher, thats all Im saying..

jim_mau · December 2015

Ive played MMOs on and off a while, being bad at first in every game and then L2P same as ESO, im still at the L2P phase.

Now... ive seen some terribad dudes, mostly guild wise this is not an issue when DPS numbers simply make him ask what hes doing wrong and then comes advice..

but PUGs... maybe wipe a couple times and then offer to lead and take EVERYONE and hand out instructions, not just the hard caster... people do not take criticism well from strangers and better if everyone gets a few words.. no one likes to get singled out for being bad...

On a personal note, life and *** doesnt let me get too involved in guild activities so i dont know my dungeons yet, but a quick review of mechanics or things to look out for... and im good...

its not about L2P its more about L2People

SmalltalkJava · January 2016

Rylana wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The worst thing is getting called a noob for using DW on your buff/Overload bar, all you can do is facepalm and link your 25k+ dps at the end of the fight.

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Sorry Ive never rolled a Sorc. Why is hard casting Frags bad as opposed to exiling a blue card and losing 1 life to pay for it?

20% less dmg, 50% higher cost and a cast time of 1 second (which feels more like 1,5-2 seconds).

The underlaying issue is that the sorc in question doesnt understand his class if he's hard-casting cfrags so his dps will be low and he will probably die easily.

5x Kags/Julianos, 2x torugs, 3x willpower, Kena/Bloodspawn 4x divines 3xinfused (prismatics on infused, magicka on others) - 40k Magicka. 2k recovery, 22k health, Dual wield swords, atro mundus, 3500 spell damage, 501 champs will 75/75 split on theurm and elfborn

Literally I need 3 total abilities on my bar to counter your whole argument, and I will do both 15k-25k DPS and not die a single time.

Frag/HardenedWard with Overload ultimate. And all i will do is spam overload light attacks and hardcast frags (ill throw in a light attack on my offbar for ultigen or put ele ring for trash clearing here and there).

gg

Lol, you need regen for pve dps?

Besides that you're completely missing the point by 'countering' my argument.

Keep on hard-casting those cfrags!

Youre missing the point. I am a pvper. That is my PvP suit. Even better its my only suit. (Kags version) I dont need fancy smancy elitist uberyoutube herpaderp to match numbers with durr pve'ers.

A PvP suit... able to do just as well as a PvE copypastafromdeltiaswebsite thinking the end all be all of the game is anim cancelling.

I will keep hardcasting, because the real jokes on you =D

But please, PLEASE, keep propagating the hilarious notion that its "bad."

I take out pro pvpers every damn day with hardcasts because they do over 10k pvp damage. Its kinda funny how that works out. Spend all your stam dodging or casting def posture, im not even at 90 percent resources yet. And the frag goes on.

I agree with Rylana, hard cast crystal blast is pretty damn amazing. 22k pve crits, and I don't have top end gear yet. and it is amazing how many times I can stand and chain cast it in pvp. Combat roll on occasion. Yes I hard cast. Nothing quite like dropping bombs on people. Its a faster casting inevitable detonation but with aoe fall off.

Mojmir · January 2016

SmalltalkJava wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The worst thing is getting called a noob for using DW on your buff/Overload bar, all you can do is facepalm and link your 25k+ dps at the end of the fight.

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Sorry Ive never rolled a Sorc. Why is hard casting Frags bad as opposed to exiling a blue card and losing 1 life to pay for it?

20% less dmg, 50% higher cost and a cast time of 1 second (which feels more like 1,5-2 seconds).

The underlaying issue is that the sorc in question doesnt understand his class if he's hard-casting cfrags so his dps will be low and he will probably die easily.

5x Kags/Julianos, 2x torugs, 3x willpower, Kena/Bloodspawn 4x divines 3xinfused (prismatics on infused, magicka on others) - 40k Magicka. 2k recovery, 22k health, Dual wield swords, atro mundus, 3500 spell damage, 501 champs will 75/75 split on theurm and elfborn

Literally I need 3 total abilities on my bar to counter your whole argument, and I will do both 15k-25k DPS and not die a single time.

Frag/HardenedWard with Overload ultimate. And all i will do is spam overload light attacks and hardcast frags (ill throw in a light attack on my offbar for ultigen or put ele ring for trash clearing here and there).

gg

Lol, you need regen for pve dps?

Besides that you're completely missing the point by 'countering' my argument.

Keep on hard-casting those cfrags!

Youre missing the point. I am a pvper. That is my PvP suit. Even better its my only suit. (Kags version) I dont need fancy smancy elitist uberyoutube herpaderp to match numbers with durr pve'ers.

A PvP suit... able to do just as well as a PvE copypastafromdeltiaswebsite thinking the end all be all of the game is anim cancelling.

I will keep hardcasting, because the real jokes on you =D

But please, PLEASE, keep propagating the hilarious notion that its "bad."

I take out pro pvpers every damn day with hardcasts because they do over 10k pvp damage. Its kinda funny how that works out. Spend all your stam dodging or casting def posture, im not even at 90 percent resources yet. And the frag goes on.

I agree with Rylana, hard cast crystal blast is pretty damn amazing. 22k pve crits, and I don't have top end gear yet. and it is amazing how many times I can stand and chain cast it in pvp. Combat roll on occasion. Yes I hard cast. Nothing quite like dropping bombs on people. Its a faster casting inevitable detonation but with aoe fall off.

wish there was a *** spot on button

Septimus_Magna · January 2016

SmalltalkJava wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The worst thing is getting called a noob for using DW on your buff/Overload bar, all you can do is facepalm and link your 25k+ dps at the end of the fight.

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Sorry Ive never rolled a Sorc. Why is hard casting Frags bad as opposed to exiling a blue card and losing 1 life to pay for it?

20% less dmg, 50% higher cost and a cast time of 1 second (which feels more like 1,5-2 seconds).

The underlaying issue is that the sorc in question doesnt understand his class if he's hard-casting cfrags so his dps will be low and he will probably die easily.

5x Kags/Julianos, 2x torugs, 3x willpower, Kena/Bloodspawn 4x divines 3xinfused (prismatics on infused, magicka on others) - 40k Magicka. 2k recovery, 22k health, Dual wield swords, atro mundus, 3500 spell damage, 501 champs will 75/75 split on theurm and elfborn

Literally I need 3 total abilities on my bar to counter your whole argument, and I will do both 15k-25k DPS and not die a single time.

Frag/HardenedWard with Overload ultimate. And all i will do is spam overload light attacks and hardcast frags (ill throw in a light attack on my offbar for ultigen or put ele ring for trash clearing here and there).

gg

Lol, you need regen for pve dps?

Besides that you're completely missing the point by 'countering' my argument.

Keep on hard-casting those cfrags!

Youre missing the point. I am a pvper. That is my PvP suit. Even better its my only suit. (Kags version) I dont need fancy smancy elitist uberyoutube herpaderp to match numbers with durr pve'ers.

A PvP suit... able to do just as well as a PvE copypastafromdeltiaswebsite thinking the end all be all of the game is anim cancelling.

I will keep hardcasting, because the real jokes on you =D

But please, PLEASE, keep propagating the hilarious notion that its "bad."

I take out pro pvpers every damn day with hardcasts because they do over 10k pvp damage. Its kinda funny how that works out. Spend all your stam dodging or casting def posture, im not even at 90 percent resources yet. And the frag goes on.

I agree with Rylana, hard cast crystal blast is pretty damn amazing. 22k pve crits, and I don't have top end gear yet. and it is amazing how many times I can stand and chain cast it in pvp. Combat roll on occasion. Yes I hard cast. Nothing quite like dropping bombs on people. Its a faster casting inevitable detonation but with aoe fall off.

22k might seem like a lot but with the cast time that only 11k dps, if you have 100% spell crit.

For high dps you want to maximize the dmg and minimize the time to do it. A skill with a cast time is fatal by definition imo.

Dont get me wrong, cfrags is an amazing ability for single target dps when it procs, just weave Force Pulse (+ cfrags when it procs) and keep Liquid Lightning on the target, I guarantee you your dps will increase.