Store ads on log in... really?

FortheloveofKrist · January 2016

You could press the button to close the ad before you finish your morning fart. Are you really complaining about this?

Lazrael · January 2016

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

You could press the button to close the ad before you finish your morning fart. Are you really complaining about this?

See OP. Next!

NewBlacksmurf · January 2016

Lazrael wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

I think it's silly people complain about it in the first place. It's take half a second to click the X. ZOS is a business and the game now requires no subscription. May as well complain to the free newspapers you might get about the ads they run in there too.

Doesn't matter the when, how, or where's...people will always complain about something. This is so petty it's ridiculous.

Like I said. I know its as simple as closing it, I still find it tasteless. Next!

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

When you go to a store...what's at the front of every store? Ads

When you sign into the server to go into the game, it's basically like getting in a car to go to a store. When you reach the door...ads. If we don't keep spending money, the store goes away.

Do what you do when you go to a store....look and keep moving if you're not interested. It's a simple solution

ESO is a video game, not a store. It may happen to have a store, but it is a VIDEO GAME FIRST.

No actually the game first logs your into their infrastructure to show offers and info. The login screen, launched and console welcome page is the ads and the crown store pop-up is the sale.

The game and the store coexist. You can't have one without the other based on how it's designed so my point is, you can't play without being in the shopping mall.

Zorrashi · January 2016

I prefer for it to be toggleable myself. The crown store pop ups truly are distasteful imo.
If I want to check out the crown store, I will--no need to shove it in my face where it isn't wanted.

Lazrael · January 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Lazrael wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

I think it's silly people complain about it in the first place. It's take half a second to click the X. ZOS is a business and the game now requires no subscription. May as well complain to the free newspapers you might get about the ads they run in there too.

Doesn't matter the when, how, or where's...people will always complain about something. This is so petty it's ridiculous.

Like I said. I know its as simple as closing it, I still find it tasteless. Next!

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

When you go to a store...what's at the front of every store? Ads

When you sign into the server to go into the game, it's basically like getting in a car to go to a store. When you reach the door...ads. If we don't keep spending money, the store goes away.

Do what you do when you go to a store....look and keep moving if you're not interested. It's a simple solution

ESO is a video game, not a store. It may happen to have a store, but it is a VIDEO GAME FIRST.

No actually the game first logs your into their infrastructure to show offers and info. The login screen, launched and console welcome page is the ads and the crown store pop-up is the sale.

The game and the store coexist. You can't have one without the other based on how it's designed so my point is, you can't play without being in the shopping mall.

Then maybe ZOS should make a better game.
I think I can safely say that most people don't play video games to go shopping.

babedenny · January 2016

At least it's not the large yellow banner, scrolling across the screen in-game, at a time where I actually feel like I'm in Tamriel, only to get jerked back to LA.

It does come across as desperate though, which makes me sad.

Brightxdawn · January 2016

ZOS would have all kinds of steaks to eat if we had a barber shop.

Lazrael · January 2016

babedenny wrote: »

At least it's not the large yellow banner, scrolling across the screen in-game, at a time where I actually feel like I'm in Tamriel, only to get jerked back to LA.

It does come across as desperate though, which makes me sad.

I mean its really just a prettier version, but yeah, it's slightly more tactful.

Recremen · January 2016

I don't much like crown store adverts, but usually it's just one every time the update the store, and even then only on your first login after the update. This one was mildly more annoying since it was just for a sale, not actual new content. I'm guessing the bag space upgrades aren't selling well so they're testing the waters to see what price people are more willing to buy at. Either way, bleh, didn't like it.

Lazrael · January 2016

Brightxdawn wrote: »

ZOS would have all kinds of steaks to eat if we had a barber shop.

True, although I think that not following the suit of most games (using in game gold for a barber ect.) would be a bit crass, I am surprised they have yet to implement something so long requested by players.

But I'm still sitting here waiting for all the Elder Scrolls guilds to be in the Elder Scrolls game, so what do I know?

kevlarto_ESO · January 2016

All the problems this game has, this is such a non issue to complain about, a one time ad, that you close once and never see again. Wow is all I can say.

I don't go to the store, when I see the ad I close it and move along, never thinking about it again unless it is something that interests me.

Lazrael · January 2016

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

All the problems this game has, this is such a non issue to complain about, a one time ad, that you close once and never see again. Wow is all I can say.

I don't go to the store, when I see the ad I close it and move along, never thinking about it again unless it is something that interests me.

So make a thread talking about all those issues. I agree the game has a ton of issues, all the more reason not to begging for coin.

Nifty2g · January 2016

Acrolas wrote: »

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you okay there lol

Artjuh90 · January 2016

this feels like a politician stating commercials on TV bother him while watching a movie on kabel. it's exactly the same xD

Lazrael · January 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

this feels like a politician stating commercials on TV bother him while watching a movie on kabel. it's exactly the same xD

Cable...

SnuggleMePlease · January 2016

Lazrael wrote: »

So I'm sure this discussion has come up for a while and to most this is old news, but I just tried to get back into the game from a long time away, so there yah go.

Why do I need to see a bloody ad every time I log into the bloody game.

I thought we had been over this already ZOS!

When I want to worship the gods of consumerism guess what? I GO TO THE LOCAL SHOPS!
I know where the crown store is, don't worry.

But when I log into a video game that I have already spent more money than on would consider sane on, I log in to play, not to spend more money.

At this point, I think most adults with a functioning brain and a bank account are well aware of the "ZOS WANT MORE MONEY!" mantra.

So there, I've said my peace in regards to what I suppose should be another unsurprisingly tasteless little choice.

Chime in if you like, or just let this pass into the forums graveyard, but for the love of The Nine please don't give me the, "well you just have hit escape when you log in stop whining OMFG!" Yes I know thank you for stating the obvious, doesn't make the ads, or you, any less annoying, but thank you.

You're right! This is an outrage! If only there were some button you could press to simply exit out of this screen after you login. Oh, wait! There is! All you have to do is press the 'Alt' button to exit the screen. You could have solved your problem with a single keystroke without coming to the forums to complain about inconsequential things using many keystrokes. Think of all the energy you could have saved your fingers!

I barely finished reading the last part of your post, so you'll have to excuse my first paragraph. I really don't understand why you think something has suddenly changed. Of course, ZoS wants money. They are just as much a business as they have always been, a corporate entity that exists solely to make a financial gain by providing you with a service/product that you enjoy.

If you've believed anything different up until now, you're only deluding yourself. Does this mean that they shouldn't provide a quality and comprehensive service that satisfies their customer's desires? Of course not.

The only difference now is that their pay model is shifting towards micro-transactions. Whether or not this is good or bad is an entirely different conversation altogether. For me, personally, I would have never been able to afford to purchase the game, and then pay a consecutive subscription fee. So, in this aspect, I have benefited from this development. However, in the micro-transaction model, you have to advertise your micro-transactions, else less people will buy them. It is simply how things go.

firstdecan wrote: »

We knew this was going to happen when ZoS stopped making this a subscription service and made the game f2p (or whatever bastardization of f2p some pedant is going to flame me about).

It is B2P + Micro-transactions, not F2P. I mean, that isn't even a bastardization of free-to-play, so you're not even anywhere near the mark. In fact, they're polar opposites.

MattT1988 · January 2016

This doesn't just happen at log in, it happened after a loading screen after I'd been playing for a good hour and a half.

AzraelKrieg · January 2016

MattT1988 wrote: »

This doesn't just happen at log in, it happened after a loading screen after I'd been playing for a good hour and a half.

Store would have updated prior to zoning. Showing the update after the loading screen would be treated the same as initial log in. Happened to me when they added that satanic goat recently. Didn't know it had updated, entered a cave and saw the screen. Closed the alert, looked at the stuff, went back to doing whatever I had planned to do.

Lazrael · January 2016

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

Lazrael wrote: »

So I'm sure this discussion has come up for a while and to most this is old news, but I just tried to get back into the game from a long time away, so there yah go.

Why do I need to see a bloody ad every time I log into the bloody game.

I thought we had been over this already ZOS!

When I want to worship the gods of consumerism guess what? I GO TO THE LOCAL SHOPS!
I know where the crown store is, don't worry.

But when I log into a video game that I have already spent more money than on would consider sane on, I log in to play, not to spend more money.

At this point, I think most adults with a functioning brain and a bank account are well aware of the "ZOS WANT MORE MONEY!" mantra.

So there, I've said my peace in regards to what I suppose should be another unsurprisingly tasteless little choice.

Chime in if you like, or just let this pass into the forums graveyard, but for the love of The Nine please don't give me the, "well you just have hit escape when you log in stop whining OMFG!" Yes I know thank you for stating the obvious, doesn't make the ads, or you, any less annoying, but thank you.

You're right! This is an outrage! If only there were some button you could press to simply exit out of this screen after you login. Oh, wait! There is! All you have to do is press the 'Alt' button to exit the screen. You could have solved your problem with a single keystroke without coming to the forums to complain about inconsequential things using many keystrokes. Think of all the energy you could have saved your fingers!

I barely finished reading the last part of your post, so you'll have to excuse my first paragraph. I really don't understand why you think something has suddenly changed. Of course, ZoS wants money. They are just as much a business as they have always been, a corporate entity that exists solely to make a financial gain by providing you with a service/product that you enjoy.

If you've believed anything different up until now, you're only deluding yourself. Does this mean that they shouldn't provide a quality and comprehensive service that satisfies their customer's desires? Of course not.

The only difference now is that their pay model is shifting towards micro-transactions. Whether or not this is good or bad is an entirely different conversation altogether. For me, personally, I would have never been able to afford to purchase the game, and then pay a consecutive subscription fee. So, in this aspect, I have benefited from this development. However, in the micro-transaction model, you have to advertise your micro-transactions, else less people will buy them. It is simply how things go.

firstdecan wrote: »

We knew this was going to happen when ZoS stopped making this a subscription service and made the game f2p (or whatever bastardization of f2p some pedant is going to flame me about).

It is B2P + Micro-transactions, not F2P. I mean, that isn't even a bastardization of free-to-play, so you're not even anywhere near the mark. In fact, they're polar opposites.

I'll accept the apology, JUST DON'T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN!!! Kidding obviously.

But is this really something that we should just accept as the status quo? Is consistently misleading your most avid player base really going to help your long term survival? I don't think so and I don't really think it's particularly good business.

Look when I first heard the game was going to be on the subscription model, I thought it was a stupid, near sighted plan, but damned if they didn't stick to their guns and make a fine argument for it, so I got behind them with the expectation that they'd back up their talk. They didn't. That's fine, glad it made the game accessible to a wider audience, like yourself, but I know a pattern of behavior when I see it, and there certainly has been one. That's all. How each person feels is up to them, but lets not muddle the facts.

More to the topic at hand

We have ads in the launcher, I think that and log in screen adds are suitable. Once I get in game, I really don't need to see it, offer me something worth spending money on and if I am so compelled, I'll spend it happily, but I don't log into a game just to be reminded that someone else wants more of my money, quite the opposite actually.

Tell yah what ZOS, you want to add incentive to crown store purchases, stop making me have to open a browser every time I need to purchase crowns. I feel like that would be relatively simple to implement.

Gidorick · January 2016

We pretty much had this conversation when they first advertised in-game with system messages and there is one solution that was brought up then that I think is still a great solution. Give ESO+ members an opt-out option. They could even have multiple selection boxes... check all that you wish to know about

Store Discounts
Limited Time Items
New Items

Simple fix.

SanTii.92 · January 2016

It doesn't appear 'every time you log the game' just once when they put something new or they make any discount. Is that so terrible?

firstdecan · January 2016

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

firstdecan wrote: »

We knew this was going to happen when ZoS stopped making this a subscription service and made the game f2p (or whatever bastardization of f2p some pedant is going to flame me about).

It is B2P + Micro-transactions, not F2P. I mean, that isn't even a bastardization of free-to-play, so you're not even anywhere near the mark. In fact, they're polar opposites.

Hook, line and sinker. So predictable.

In your rush to be pedantic you have missed the point. The advertising is not wanted. Even as small of an inconvenience as it may be, it is not wanted. Especially by those of use who have played this game for 2+ years and payed large sums of money to support it. You may not have this perspective seeing as how you've been on these forums for a week (registered January 8th in your profile).

We don't need the advertising in game, it already exists in the launcher. It's simply a sign of the slow and gradual decline ZoS is taking this game in a journey towards making it just another faceless MMO with no artistic vision or integrity. Again, your lack of perspective may prohibit you from seeing the bigger picture. Things as simple as changing all the armors so they are less visually appealing and then offering "sexier" costumes in the cash shop (crown store) is a perfect example of this decline, and then forcing it into our faces with this tasteless unnecessary advertising just adds insult to injury.

And just to be clear, if the game is not a subscription service, it's free to play. It is monetized through the selling of junk that will ultimately become more of a focus than actual game development or improvement. The whole "b2p" misnomer simply serves the purpose of weeding out people who would not have money to spend.

If ZoS doesn't want to sell subscriptions, then they should focus on DLC for monetization. Improve the game in such a way that people want to spend money. These "microtransactions" and the associated advertising are a predatory technique that predominantly targets people with social and emotional issues who use the game as an escape. The whole argument of "the business needs to make money" is a tired, overused trope that puts the cart before the horse (see what I did there). The business needs to create a product that people want and adds value to their lives (entertainment value in this case). If they do that the money will follow. Instead ZoS is using a fundamentally amoral business model that is known to target people with social and emotional issues. This will lead to ZoS focusing on microtransactions and "the junk store" instead of fulfilling the promises they have made to the fan base of making an Elder Scrolls game that is second to none.

The advertising is not a problem, it's a symptom of a problem. It's what we all was going to happen when ZoS stopped making this a subscription service and made the game f2p (or whatever bastardization of f2p some pedant is going to flame me about).

Vslatimoreb14_ESO · January 2016

I just wanted to say this was entertaining. I agree the ads are a bit much. But my stance is, ZOS may do as it pleases to keep the ship a float.

Back when they first announced B2P(aka F2P model with buy in fee) we knew ZOS were in a bad situation. Honestly I applaud their efforts so far to right the ship. However let's be honest this game has had tragic issues since release. And has yet to reach a good spot by MMO standards. We need this money to keep flowing.

As far as the barbershop ZOS has downsized a great deal. Between DLCs and features here and there I do not believe they can afford to focus on that endeavor so sharply. Hence why it is taking so long to release it.

Asherons_Call · January 2016

2nd thread on this today. Is this really an issue? I mean I could find much worse problems than this if I looked. On ps4, to clear the popup... Wait for it... Wait for it... I press X

Aeladiir · January 2016

Lazrael wrote: »

So I'm sure this discussion has come up for a while and to most this is old news, but I just tried to get back into the game from a long time away, so there yah go.

Why do I need to see a bloody ad every time I log into the bloody game.

I thought we had been over this already ZOS!

When I want to worship the gods of consumerism guess what? I GO TO THE LOCAL SHOPS!
I know where the crown store is, don't worry.

But when I log into a video game that I have already spent more money than on would consider sane on, I log in to play, not to spend more money.

At this point, I think most adults with a functioning brain and a bank account are well aware of the "ZOS WANT MORE MONEY!" mantra.

So there, I've said my peace in regards to what I suppose should be another unsurprisingly tasteless little choice.

Chime in if you like, or just let this pass into the forums graveyard, but for the love of The Nine please don't give me the, "well you just have hit escape when you log in stop whining OMFG!" Yes I know thank you for stating the obvious, doesn't make the ads, or you, any less annoying, but thank you.

Fun fact: press ALT

Sharee · January 2016

firstdecan wrote: »

We don't need the advertising in game, it already exists in the launcher.

Many players launch the game directly, and only use the launcher when there is a patch to download.
Many players also like to buy fluff from the store, and would be disappointed if they missed a time-limited offer.

Alucardo · January 2016

You don't see an ad every time you log in. You see one when something new is added to the crown store. Don't overreact now.
Not everyone uses the launcher and has access to the forums, so it's helpful to show any new featured items when you log in. Simply close it when you're done and move on with your life and find something else to complain about.

Islyn · January 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

It's not every time you log in. It's anytime they make an update to the store in some way whether that is new items or stuff going on sale. It doesn't happen often.

But it does happen MORE AND MORE OFTEN - it IS totally a 1st World Problem - but so is paying for and playing a game on a fancy piece of tech which is higher grade than many other Worlds' medical devices - so that little snipe doesn't exactly apply here imo. We're working, in this premise, within a '1st World' paradigm so essentially ANY complaint will in fact, be a 1st World Problem.

I moaned about this the first time and got yelled down because IT'S ONLY ONCE EVERY 6 WEEKS!!!!!!!!! Feed Teh Poor with tehpopups! Zenimax needs money (to give away xD ) !

I know it is not a BIG DEAL and no one is saying it is killing them to death - but I think it's fair to point out that it is getting more and more frequent.

(ETA I bought the goat :P )

michael.albertsenb16_ESO · January 2016

I don't like ads myself. In fact, I despise them - and I particularly despise ads that I can't avoid.

However, I do understand that they're running a business and that they have to generate interest somehow. Personally, I think it should be sufficient to advertise on the launcher and through mails. Perhaps a "pop-up" sound and a small indicator on the crown store icon. Things like that.

That said, it's their game and they get to decide how to treat their audience. Obviously, complete world immersion is not at the top of their list.

But wouldn't it make slightly more sense to disable ads for subscribers? I mean, that would actually be a significant incentive for me to subscribe to the game. I'd consider that an appropriate reward - since I'm already paying for the privilige of playing.

They could easily add an "enable Crown Store ads" option for people into that sort of thing.

Nallenil · January 2016

Wish I could play the game as it was designed in Beta, without any DLCS, "updates" and what nots. Well... I just stalk forums these days