Macro using and cheating seems allowed by ZOS?

UrQuan · February 2015

BRogueNZ wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Let me ask this question: are you experiencing lag when this is happening? Because the only way it makes any sense TO ME is that you're seeing this amount of hits in the time you claim is if you've got lag that makes it appear that this is all happening that fast (

Fixed

OK, so explain how it makes sense TO YOU that a macro is somehow overriding and breaking a core combat mechanic?

TequilaFire · February 2015

Learn the difference between hacks (exploits) and macros please. smh

Rosveen · February 2015

Lettigall wrote: »

Sorry but macros aren't cheating! I was 100% sure it is, before I contacted support some time ago:

Thank you for contacting the Elder Scrolls Online. The use of macro's is perfectly legal. There is nothing wrong with using Macros, if you have a mouse or keyboard that can be set up with macro's and you wish to use them feel free. If you have any other questions or concerns please feel free to reply to this email.

Warm Regards, Jon
The Elder Scrolls Support Team.

That doesn't look like a legit CS message.

Volla · February 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Volla wrote: »

DeLindsay wrote: »

Volla wrote: »

Usually an NB class -
Teleport - 5 hits - Shadowy - Gone - im dead .. all this within less than a sec.

I can almost guarantee you that you aren't being killed with 5 attacks within literally 1.0 seconds. It may SEEM like 1 second to you but it's actually longer, AND with attack weaving you can actually land 2 attacks almost simultaneously, no hacking/cheating/macro programs needed. Without hacking the game code (like speed hacks that gold farmers use to "fly" across the ground at incredible speeds) it's literally impossible to attack faster than once per 1 second, and only NB can do that with the current Haste ability as it brings the ability animation from 1.3 sec to 1.0 sec. Granted you can still land 2 attacks at basically the same time (Ability + LA) but then cannot do the same for another 1 second.

The way it works is this:
Opener: Teleport Strike (could even be Snipe) lands and starts the timer.

Light Attack: Lands almost at the same moment as the Opener.

1 second later

Secondary Ability is used: You are at roughly 1.1 sec at this point from the first hit.

Light Attack #2: Lands directly after Ability 2.

1 second later

Tertiary Ability is used: If you aren't already dead by then, you're roughly at 2.2 sec at this point from the first hit.

Light Attack #3: Lands directly after Ability 3 (JK, you're already dead by now).

This takes very good ping to execute as fast as ~2-2.5 seconds from the time the first hit landed. Also keep in mind that Player stalked you and had lots of time (often tens of minutes) preparing for just the right moment to gank you. I'm not saying People don't cheat, they certainly do. We all saw the multitude of Gold farming bots near launch, and there's no question they were hacking. There's also cheating like using DK chains to pull "enemies" up to keep walls, but they were actually their buddy and did so to steal a scroll.

If you have been reporting the same Players for 2 months then the only plausible answer is they didn't in fact exploit the game. It may seem like they are to you, but all ZoS has to do is check their logs, if they did use an exploit or hack the game code or even use a 3rd party Macro Software ZoS would be able to see it and ban them. How do you think they got rid of 99% of the Gold Sellers, via Players reporting them and then investigating their account.

3rd party programs thats benefits in game consider cheats.
before you start to talk i think you need to experience what the *** they are doing.

its not 2.2 sec. why you continue to be here when its very clear you really don't have a clue what you talking about.

i dont even see the guy before im dead. its a flash then i'm dead. thats all
in that time he hit me 5 times. 3 ppl is doing this what i know about and all is in EP

You obviously don't know what they are really doing, or how this is happening to you.

Let me ask this question: are you experiencing lag when this is happening? Because the only way it makes any sense that you're seeing this amount of hits in the time you claim is if you've got lag that makes it appear that this is all happening that fast (ie. on your end it's registering all at once, but it's actually taking 2-2.5 seconds as explained above).

Next time you're doing PVP record it so that you can post a vid of this happening. It will then be much easier for people to identify what is actually happening.

do you even read what im saying. maybe you calculations is correct without cheats... but these guys clearly cheats

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BRogueNZ · February 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

BRogueNZ wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Let me ask this question: are you experiencing lag when this is happening? Because the only way it makes any sense TO ME is that you're seeing this amount of hits in the time you claim is if you've got lag that makes it appear that this is all happening that fast (

Fixed

OK, so explain how it makes sense TO YOU that a macro is somehow overriding and breaking a core combat mechanic?

I'm not saying it is macro mashing.

However saying that people don't hack or exploit simply because we don't know how they could is either innocence or ignorance and there's a fine line between the two.

Lettigall · February 2015

Rosveen wrote: »

Lettigall wrote: »

Sorry but macros aren't cheating! I was 100% sure it is, before I contacted support some time ago:

Thank you for contacting the Elder Scrolls Online. The use of macro's is perfectly legal. There is nothing wrong with using Macros, if you have a mouse or keyboard that can be set up with macro's and you wish to use them feel free. If you have any other questions or concerns please feel free to reply to this email.

Warm Regards, Jon
The Elder Scrolls Support Team.

That doesn't look like a legit CS message.

Sorry but I'm not gonna take screenshot from my email. Wrote ticket to support yourself and you gonna get same answer!

Slurg · February 2015

To the OP, I think the only thing you can really do about this is keep reporting players you think are cheating and take screenshots to follow up the ticket. ZOS staff will investigate and decide whether it's an exploit or not and if they are cheating, they'll determine what the punishment is but they won't tell you the outcome per their policy. Other players in the forum don't have access to the information needed to tell whether or not someone is cheating.

Valnas · February 2015

rate limiting basically shelves your whole argument. it's just animation cancelling. you got owned.

UrQuan · February 2015

BRogueNZ wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

BRogueNZ wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Let me ask this question: are you experiencing lag when this is happening? Because the only way it makes any sense TO ME is that you're seeing this amount of hits in the time you claim is if you've got lag that makes it appear that this is all happening that fast (

Fixed

OK, so explain how it makes sense TO YOU that a macro is somehow overriding and breaking a core combat mechanic?

I'm not saying it is macro mashing.

You may not be saying that, but OP was saying that. That's what I was responding to when I said the only way it makes any sense if it's actually the way he's describing is if he's got lag issues.

BRogueNZ wrote: »

However saying that people don't hack or exploit simply because we don't know how they could is either innocence or ignorance and there's a fine line between the two.

Sure, a hack is possible, and if so ZOS needs to find out what's going on and ban people using it while plugging the vulnerability. But either the OP is experiencing lag, or he's wrong about what's happening (and if he is experiencing lag, then he's also wrong about what's happening, but in a different way).

UrQuan · February 2015

Volla wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Volla wrote: »

DeLindsay wrote: »

Volla wrote: »

Usually an NB class -
Teleport - 5 hits - Shadowy - Gone - im dead .. all this within less than a sec.

I can almost guarantee you that you aren't being killed with 5 attacks within literally 1.0 seconds. It may SEEM like 1 second to you but it's actually longer, AND with attack weaving you can actually land 2 attacks almost simultaneously, no hacking/cheating/macro programs needed. Without hacking the game code (like speed hacks that gold farmers use to "fly" across the ground at incredible speeds) it's literally impossible to attack faster than once per 1 second, and only NB can do that with the current Haste ability as it brings the ability animation from 1.3 sec to 1.0 sec. Granted you can still land 2 attacks at basically the same time (Ability + LA) but then cannot do the same for another 1 second.

The way it works is this:
Opener: Teleport Strike (could even be Snipe) lands and starts the timer.

Light Attack: Lands almost at the same moment as the Opener.

1 second later

Secondary Ability is used: You are at roughly 1.1 sec at this point from the first hit.

Light Attack #2: Lands directly after Ability 2.

1 second later

Tertiary Ability is used: If you aren't already dead by then, you're roughly at 2.2 sec at this point from the first hit.

Light Attack #3: Lands directly after Ability 3 (JK, you're already dead by now).

This takes very good ping to execute as fast as ~2-2.5 seconds from the time the first hit landed. Also keep in mind that Player stalked you and had lots of time (often tens of minutes) preparing for just the right moment to gank you. I'm not saying People don't cheat, they certainly do. We all saw the multitude of Gold farming bots near launch, and there's no question they were hacking. There's also cheating like using DK chains to pull "enemies" up to keep walls, but they were actually their buddy and did so to steal a scroll.

If you have been reporting the same Players for 2 months then the only plausible answer is they didn't in fact exploit the game. It may seem like they are to you, but all ZoS has to do is check their logs, if they did use an exploit or hack the game code or even use a 3rd party Macro Software ZoS would be able to see it and ban them. How do you think they got rid of 99% of the Gold Sellers, via Players reporting them and then investigating their account.

3rd party programs thats benefits in game consider cheats.
before you start to talk i think you need to experience what the *** they are doing.

its not 2.2 sec. why you continue to be here when its very clear you really don't have a clue what you talking about.

i dont even see the guy before im dead. its a flash then i'm dead. thats all
in that time he hit me 5 times. 3 ppl is doing this what i know about and all is in EP

You obviously don't know what they are really doing, or how this is happening to you.

Let me ask this question: are you experiencing lag when this is happening? Because the only way it makes any sense that you're seeing this amount of hits in the time you claim is if you've got lag that makes it appear that this is all happening that fast (ie. on your end it's registering all at once, but it's actually taking 2-2.5 seconds as explained above).

Next time you're doing PVP record it so that you can post a vid of this happening. It will then be much easier for people to identify what is actually happening.

do you even read what im saying. maybe you calculations is correct without cheats... but these guys clearly cheats

imo you are an idiot nabb.

Are you trying to get banned?

Iago · February 2015

Idk Im still trying to figure out what attack can be spammed at least three times and do 3200 damage a whack.

Hexcaliber · February 2015

You are confusing macros, with botting and hacking. The game already has provision to help prevent macros granting any real advantage. Hacking and bots (automated behaviour) are on a completely different level from macros.

If you suspect hacking or botting (I suggest you google both terms and do some reading first) report the player and let Zos deal with it. Further, do not assume nothing is done about such reports because they don’t give you a personal blow by blow commentary on the actions they have undertaken. However, you need to be aware that they need more proof than the say so of a single gamer ranting he keeps being owned in pvp before they can act.

Wreuntzylla · February 2015

Some of you are confusing starting an attack with landing the attack.

NB can cast invisibility (crit variant), crippling grasp, shadow to the opponent, start a light attack while in flight, bash, and cast concealed weapon, all hitting within about a second after reaching the opponent. The sequence takes a couple seconds to initiate, but all the attacks land in roughly 1 sec. They often do not know you are there until you reach them.

No macro required. Just practice.

Blocking and/or radiant magelight nullify the build. You'll know the ones wearing Stygian/Martial knowledge, because if they pull the sequence off, and you are running radiant magelight, they will run immediately. The seducer/warlock variant hits much softer, but usually will fight it out.

DarkAedin · February 2015

lol
ur crying about macros

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1097103#Comment_1097103

read that, have fun, ima laugh when ur brain esplodes

deepseamk20b14_ESO · February 2015

using my logitech LG600 i can ambush, soul harvest, surprise attack, impale before the person can react. I don't really think most people are using macros...

Yusuf · February 2015

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

using my logitech LG600 i can ambush, soul harvest, surprise attack, impale before the person can react. I don't really think most people are using macros...

is that something to be proud of? o.O

shiva7663 · February 2015

The company earns as much money from a cheater as they do from a regular player; it's a classic conflict of interest endemic to MMOs in general. About the only thing that would get them to move against cheaters would be if they tracked a large loss in the number of regular players.

QuadroTony · February 2015

Haquor wrote: »

Everything you mentioned is as intended.

agreed

Celless · February 2015

Haven't read the whole thread, but I thought I recalled a post in 2014 that said using macros that emulate a single action are not against the terms of service, such as the macro-based keyboards, mice, foot pedals, gamepads, etc.

Using macros to execute a string of actions or automate a process to allow unattended gameplay was not condoned. e.g. using the macro with pauses to execute the perfect heavy attack -> light attack -> ability -> block OR using it to grind 1.0 delve boss spawns while you're away from keyboard.

McDoogs · February 2015

A macro just replicates what a human hand can do, makes it almost impossible to detect with any sort of accuracy and without large numbers of false positives. Most game companies don't even try.

kongkim · February 2015

OP: How much health do you have?

QuadroTony · February 2015

some people just angry because they dont know how to setup macro

dwayneaharveyub17_ESO · January 2016

7 attacks in one second exists and happens quite often - If it is not a macro, then i am not sure what it is, but it definitely exists

dday3six · January 2016

dwayneaharveyub17_ESO wrote: »

7 attacks in one second exists and happens quite often - If it is not a macro, then i am not sure what it is, but it definitely exists

It's lag. More time actually lapsed than you saw on your end. The game catches up and it appears like everything happened in a second.

MrDerrikk · January 2016

dwayneaharveyub17_ESO wrote: »

7 attacks in one second exists and happens quite often - If it is not a macro, then i am not sure what it is, but it definitely exists

Please check the date of the thread before posting on it, people do not take kindly to necro's. And what dday3six said above is true, it is impossible to be hit with all those attacks simultaneously.

Ankael07 · January 2016

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Please record and show video. Claims like this have to be supported with evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpZa4c-WZoE Not the same act hes talking about.He starts around 2:30

It doesnt happen less than a second or anything but it does cancel the animation.Now imagine this happening with several skills (combos) combined.Way faster fighting with way less skill involved.

Volkodav · January 2016

While I hate getting the feeling that I have been one shot killed,I just know they are better at putting their skills to use than I am.Or they're just gankers.
It isnt cheating,though it can be annoying.

kevlarto_ESO · January 2016

Animation canceling along with macros make for a very deadly combo, I wish ZOS would do something with animation canceling, then a lot of this stuff would go away.

Alucardo · January 2016

I use macros for ransack combos. Ain't nobody got time to press all them buttons when wrecking blow users only have to press one.

TheBull · January 2016

You\ll look back on this post in a year and laugh at yourself OP.