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Stamina users, prepare for changes
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RizaHawkeye✭✭✭✭War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
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CtrlAltDlt✭✭✭Oh I'm ready. I'm also ready for the inevitable NB nerf with all the QQ threads about it, but don't worry, most good NBs will find a way to still wreck face of scrubsPC NA - jeazzy
stamblade outnumbered pvp vol 1. youtu.be/h1ONYfpAJJ8
Stamblade outbumbered pvp vol 2. No cheese youtu.be/rN4_aRVMvWw0 -
CyrusArya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Right on cue. As is the case every single time a new patch rolls around, certain people start freaking out and overreacting to every proposed change. In this case no changes have even been proposed yet, so calm yoself. Even if your assumptions are correct, stam builds are gonna be completely fine. 25% damage reduction isn't the end of the world, and if you think it is- imagine what magicka builds deal with right now. The little bit of spell resist from LA is not as big of a deal as you're making it out to be- no valid reason to nerf that. The real culprit is Harness magicka. Long as that's a thing ppl are gonna invest heavily in the physical version of hardy anyways. If you truly want balance, delete that skill.
As far as thaumaturge/elemental expert goes- that is relevant to more than just sorcs. Magicka DK's that make use of Dawnbreaker and Proxy Det are also shafted. Not to mention, anyone that uses a destro staff has to compromise between basic attack damage and primary dps. In contrast, Stam builds get all damage buffed from simply investing into mighty. Either make it so both playstyles get full damage from one star, or that both playstyles have to compromise. Because fair is fair.
As a sorc, it pisses me off that I have to drop 3k everytime I wanna do vMSA. You have to realise that unless a particular sorc's build is entirely based around overload, they are mostly relying on magic damage anyways in PvP. So the hypothetical change is more of a quality of life improvement rather than any kind of meaningful buff for the vast majority of that class. Also, no stam DK worth their salt is putting too much into Elemental Expert fyi.
Just chill out, stam gonna be fine. And to all the other people jumping on this ill-informed post to take shots at ZOS and cry doom, realize that anyone can make a forum post about anything. Doesn't mean their points are valid or worth getting riled up about.Edited by CyrusArya on January 12, 2016 12:41AM8 -
Drakilian✭✭✭Lol, light amour wearers have high spell resist? They have less than people in medium armour (this is with their passive).Just call me Drak2
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Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Right on cue. As is the case every single time a new patch rolls around, certain people start freaking out and overreacting to every proposed change. In this case no changes have even been proposed yet, so calm yoself. Even if your assumptions are correct, stam builds are gonna be completely fine. 25% damage reduction isn't the end of the world, and if you think it is- imagine what magicka builds deal with right now. The little bit of spell resist from LA is not as big of a deal as you're making it out to be- no valid reason to nerf that. The real culprit is Harness magicka. Long as that's a thing ppl are gonna invest heavily in the physical version of hardy anyways. If you truly want balance, delete that skill.
As far as thaumaturge/elemental expert goes- that is relevant to more than just sorcs. Magicka DK's that make use of Dawnbreaker and Proxy Det are also shafted. Not to mention, anyone that uses a destro staff has to compromise between basic attack damage and primary dps. In contrast, Stam builds get all damage buffed from simply investing into mighty. Either make it so both playstyles get full damage from one star, or that both playstyles have to compromise. Because fair is fair.
As a sorc, it pisses me off that I have to drop 3k everytime I wanna do vMSA. You have to realise that unless a particular sorc's build is entirely based around overload, they are mostly relying on magic damage anyways in PvP. So the hypothetical change is more of a quality of life improvement rather than any kind of meaningful buff for the vast majority of that class. Also, no stam DK worth their salt is putting too much into Elemental Expert fyi.
Just chill out, stam gonna be fine. And to all the other people jumping on this ill-informed post to take shots at ZOS and cry doom, realize that anyone can make a forum post about anything. Doesn't mean their points are valid or worth getting riled up about.
It's not ill-informed, it's speculation based upon Wrobel's responses. Also I'm not freaking out, I'm merely drawing attention to a possible (as well as probable) outcome that in my opinion would just completely wreck stamina builds. Another thing, just because you don't agree with me, doesn't mean the points I'm raising il aren't valid.1 -
Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Though ZOS doesn't have the greatest track record. I think it's alarmist to utterly freak out just yet. We don't know everything planned, and there is still a PTS phase as well.
As I understand it, the damage increase consolidation will be applied to everyone, not just singling out Magic and Elemental damage. IIRC DK with Mighty and Elemental Expert were also mentioned by users before Wrobel gave us a statements on a few key points of interest he planned to take back and discuss. They weren't even guaranteed to happen, just good points raised that they wanted to take back to be discussed.
While it's important to raise concerns. I think we should wait until the PTS is lanched to preclaim the sky is falling. At least then we'll be able to see the whole sky.
Well for starters, I'm not freaking out. I just prefer to raise my concerns sooner rather than later. If there's one thing ZOS's track record does show, it's that the product typically doesn't change much from beta/pts.1 -
Junipus✭✭✭✭✭Actually, there is still hope
There is a Great Class Overhaul coming up (Update 9?) that's (supposed to) balance the classes, so maybe the devs are going to make class changes based on the new Champion Point system.
That would be class overhaul number 9, so don't hold out too much hope.The Legendary Nothing2 -
Magdalina✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Actually, there is still hope
There is a Great Class Overhaul coming up (Update 9?) that's (supposed to) balance the classes, so maybe the devs are going to make class changes based on the new Champion Point system.
Really? This is gonna be so fun. At least everyone is gonna get broken equally...I hope
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CyrusArya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »
It's not ill-informed, it's speculation based upon Wrobel's responses. Also I'm not freaking out, I'm merely drawing attention to a possible (as well as probable) outcome that in my opinion would just completely wreck stamina builds. Another thing, just because you don't agree with me, doesn't mean the points I'm raising il aren't valid.
Ya and I'm saying I think your opinion is invalid. Stam builds will be fine then if Magicka builds are fine now. Will stam be comparatively weaker? ya. Will it be 'completely wrecked'? No that's a massive exaggeration. IMO this change will bring better balance by bringing things like surprise attack and wrecking blow into line w/o nerfing the actual skills. Overall a solid balancing decision, not the end of the world for stamina users.
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Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭sigh -_-
I didn't say it would "balance" (notice the ""?) the classes, just saying that if changes are going to happen to the Champion Point system, the Great Class Overhaul might take those changes into account and make the things that caused the OP to "freak out" so much to not be so bad after all.
On a side-note, the Great Class Overhaul probably isn't gonna be perfect and yeah: it prob won't be close to actual balance at all. But after seeing some of ZOS's reaction (Templar thread) I'm actually keeping my fingers crossed on this one for some positive changes
Anyways...
Regarding these changes, we don't yet know enough about what ZOS is planning to do besides the Physical Damage Star addition.
At this point, it's better to just wait for the PTS to receive the update and test it before raising your blood pressure like this Edited by Tryxus on January 12, 2016 12:56AM"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Though ZOS doesn't have the greatest track record. I think it's alarmist to utterly freak out just yet. We don't know everything planned, and there is still a PTS phase as well.
As I understand it, the damage increase consolidation will be applied to everyone, not just singling out Magic and Elemental damage. IIRC DK with Mighty and Elemental Expert were also mentioned by users before Wrobel gave us a statements on a few key points of interest he planned to take back and discuss. They weren't even guaranteed to happen, just good points raised that they wanted to take back to be discussed.
While it's important to raise concerns. I think we should wait until the PTS is lanched to preclaim the sky is falling. At least then we'll be able to see the whole sky.
Well for starters, I'm not freaking out. I just prefer to raise my concerns sooner rather than later. If there's one thing ZOS's track record does show, it's that the product typically doesn't change much from beta/pts.
With a title of "Stamina users, prepare you anuses". It's hard to detect a lack of freak out. Also to ZOS' credit, they have made changes based on PTS feedback.3 -
Decayed_Inside✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Though ZOS doesn't have the greatest track record. I think it's alarmist to utterly freak out just yet. We don't know everything planned, and there is still a PTS phase as well.
As I understand it, the damage increase consolidation will be applied to everyone, not just singling out Magic and Elemental damage. IIRC DK with Mighty and Elemental Expert were also mentioned by users before Wrobel gave us a statements on a few key points of interest he planned to take back and discuss. They weren't even guaranteed to happen, just good points raised that they wanted to take back to be discussed.
While it's important to raise concerns. I think we should wait until the PTS is lanched to preclaim the sky is falling. At least then we'll be able to see the whole sky.
Well for starters, I'm not freaking out. I just prefer to raise my concerns sooner rather than later. If there's one thing ZOS's track record does show, it's that the product typically doesn't change much from beta/pts.
With a title of "Stamina users, prepare you anuses". It's hard to detect a lack of freak out. Also to ZOS' credit, they have made changes based on PTS feedback.
Yeah now just give the PTS the the other two thirds of the playerbase and it might be acceptable. As of now Only PC matters and console is paying the bills1 -
NateAssassin✭✭✭✭✭Finally my sorc will crush wb spammersAD | Malaya the Mystic ─ VR16 Khajiit Sorc | Shal'ina the Swift ─ VR16 Khajiit NB | Jòhn Cena ─ VR1 Khajiit NB | Priestess Shaari ─ VR1 Temp0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Light armour have high magicka resist? yes because that 11k spell resist is so great, also are we all pretending like armour actually means anything in pvp now?PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭It always seemed kinda strange to me that when you are magicka users, you have so many bonuses against other magicka users. It makes sense in a way, but it also seems to be very impractical.Georgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU0 -
dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭Decayed_Inside wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »Though ZOS doesn't have the greatest track record. I think it's alarmist to utterly freak out just yet. We don't know everything planned, and there is still a PTS phase as well.
As I understand it, the damage increase consolidation will be applied to everyone, not just singling out Magic and Elemental damage. IIRC DK with Mighty and Elemental Expert were also mentioned by users before Wrobel gave us a statements on a few key points of interest he planned to take back and discuss. They weren't even guaranteed to happen, just good points raised that they wanted to take back to be discussed.
While it's important to raise concerns. I think we should wait until the PTS is lanched to preclaim the sky is falling. At least then we'll be able to see the whole sky.
Well for starters, I'm not freaking out. I just prefer to raise my concerns sooner rather than later. If there's one thing ZOS's track record does show, it's that the product typically doesn't change much from beta/pts.
With a title of "Stamina users, prepare you anuses". It's hard to detect a lack of freak out. Also to ZOS' credit, they have made changes based on PTS feedback.
Yeah now just give the PTS the the other two thirds of the playerbase and it might be acceptable. As of now Only PC matters and console is paying the bills
Both Sony and Mircosoft require updates to pass each company's certification. This is done because both offer longer, and more extensive replacement warranties, and the cert process is to test for fatal errors. It takes on average 7-10 days.
For a PTS to provide a developer the most applicable data. Developers need to be able to make changes need to be able to make changes more quickly. That's why they're not offer to console.5 -
Decayed_Inside✭✭✭✭Decayed_Inside wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »Though ZOS doesn't have the greatest track record. I think it's alarmist to utterly freak out just yet. We don't know everything planned, and there is still a PTS phase as well.
As I understand it, the damage increase consolidation will be applied to everyone, not just singling out Magic and Elemental damage. IIRC DK with Mighty and Elemental Expert were also mentioned by users before Wrobel gave us a statements on a few key points of interest he planned to take back and discuss. They weren't even guaranteed to happen, just good points raised that they wanted to take back to be discussed.
While it's important to raise concerns. I think we should wait until the PTS is lanched to preclaim the sky is falling. At least then we'll be able to see the whole sky.
Well for starters, I'm not freaking out. I just prefer to raise my concerns sooner rather than later. If there's one thing ZOS's track record does show, it's that the product typically doesn't change much from beta/pts.
With a title of "Stamina users, prepare you anuses". It's hard to detect a lack of freak out. Also to ZOS' credit, they have made changes based on PTS feedback.
Yeah now just give the PTS the the other two thirds of the playerbase and it might be acceptable. As of now Only PC matters and console is paying the bills
Both Sony and Mircosoft require updates to pass each company's certification. This is done because both offer longer, and more extensive replacement warranties, and the cert process is to test for fatal errors. It takes on average 7-10 days.
For a PTS to provide a developer the most applicable data. Developers need to be able to make changes need to be able to make changes more quickly. That's why they're not offer to console.
Makes sense.0 -
Forestd16b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yay magicka users crying even more just what every body needs... Also want physical resistance ? Pool some points into the armor expert trees in the warrior. They increase your armors physical resistance so you'll have to take some points out of bastion to increase your physical resistance.
Fine if magicka users get a new passive they can pool points into the increase physical resistance either though there is already something like in the system then stamina users should get a new passive that deals "X"% unresistant damage to a player with a damage shield or deal "X" extra damage to a players damage shield. It's only fair.3 -
CaptainObvious✭✭✭✭Just make shield strength scale off of health. That way you end up with 64, 0, 0 Sorcs with a 3k damage shield. Then tanks would get a buff out of it too.Due to a typo in the system, the area was accosted by the Daedric Prince Moar Lag Brawls.2
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CavalierPrime✭✭✭✭I only came to this thread to laugh at the title change.
"Prepare your anuses"
Becomes
"Prepare for changes"
Like editing a rap song for the radio.1 -
Huckdabuck✭✭✭✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Yay magicka users crying even more just what every body needs... Also want physical resistance ? Pool some points into the armor expert trees in the warrior. They increase your armors physical resistance so you'll have to take some points out of bastion to increase your physical resistance.
Fine if magicka users get a new passive they can pool points into the increase physical resistance either though there is already something like in the system then stamina users should get a new passive that deals "X"% unresistant damage to a player with a damage shield or deal "X" extra damage to a players damage shield. It's only fair.
There already is a solution to shields in game and you don't even have to put any points into a constellation. It's called Shield Breaker!Texashighelf - VR16 Sorcerer EP NA - FILTHY BARBARIAN
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Texas Imperial - VR16 Nightblade DC NA - Queue Clogging LagsploitterJessica Folsom wrote:It's a very grey area.1 -
Holycannoli✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If they nerf stamina this way then give me a race and/or class change because my main simply will not work. He already had to switch to stamina after they erased hybrid builds.0 -
Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭CavalierPrime wrote: »I only came to this thread to laugh at the title change.
"Prepare your anuses"
Becomes
"Prepare for changes"
Like editing a rap song for the radio.
Apparently technical terms for the human anatomy is considered foul language. Guess they didn't find it humerus ;-)0 -
Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭CavalierPrime wrote: »I only came to this thread to laugh at the title change.
"Prepare your anuses"
Becomes
"Prepare for changes"
Like editing a rap song for the radio.
Apparently technical terms for the human anatomy is considered foul language. Guess they didn't find it humerus ;-)0 -
Forestd16b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yay magicka users crying even more just what every body needs. Also want physical resistance ? Pool some points into the armro expert tHuckdabuck wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Yay magicka users crying even more just what every body needs... Also want physical resistance ? Pool some points into the armor expert trees in the warrior. They increase your armors physical resistance so you'll have to take some points out of bastion to increase your physical resistance.
Fine if magicka users get a new passive they can pool points into the increase physical resistance either though there is already something like in the system then stamina users should get a new passive that deals "X"% unresistant damage to a player with a damage shield or deal "X" extra damage to a players damage shield. It's only fair.
There already is a solution to shields in game and you don't even have to put any points into a constellation. It's called Shield Breaker!
Where did you think the idea came from. Also use it not OP as shield users are raging about and laughably easy to counter so yea shield breaker nice start but far from anything good.0 -
Barlthump✭✭✭Just relax people, VR caps are going to be removed. Just screw pvp and become a eso tycoon with your class till it happens. Then make the FOTM classes and pimp them in one day. Simple. All problems solved. Elder robes online ftw. Stop the QQ join the PEW PEW0
