vMSA is an insult. Why should I ever buy DLC again?

ZOS_AlanG · January 2016

Hi everyone, it's fine to debate but please keep the discussion civil, and any criticism constructive. Some of the posts in here are a bit heated.

CavalierPrime · January 2016

Cool, thanks Alan.

I would like to reinforce an idea that was suggested in a parallel vMSA thread. Don't take a hammer-nerf to vMSA, but a scapel-nerf. Watch a bunch of casuals play vMSA and adjust certain troublesome attacks or mechanics accordingly.

Right now I am getting brick walled. How can I grind/farm something I can't even beat once? Its like asking me to jump over a 40 foot wall. I simply can't do it. Most of the frustration I have comes from these simple facts:
1) I was extremely excited for vMSA
2) vMSA is ridiculously hard, especially in comparison to normal
3) I would have played a balanced arena all day every day. Instead I give it a real shot every 20-30 cp, and when I dont improve at all, its another round of rage.

I am very QQ about this.

LadyNalcarya · January 2016

CavalierPrime wrote: »

So a 0.0001% clear rate on consoles for templar and dk is appropriate to ZoS? Putting BY FAR the best weapons in the game behind a wall that only a portion of sorcs and NB can clear?

Its not only about being nb or sorc... Its also a solo-only arena which is not a good idea for mmo, especially when its offered as the only vr16 trial.
I have vr16 chars of different classes, decent dps and several sets of vr16 golden gear. But... I'm just not motivated to farm it. Rng, BoP loot and solo-only playstyle just doesnt seem appealing to me. I used to farm DSA master restoration staff like crazy... Never got it with any decent trait. I farmed vWGT... After these months, I have 3 or 4 pieces of spell power cure (with "nice" traits and one of these pieces is a hat). So even thinking about hours that I have to spend alone in vMA to get the weapons I want makes me feel claustrophobic. So, even though my inner minmaxer wants these weapons badly, I'm not bothering with vMA. Just dont want to waste my time.

eventide03b14a_ESO · January 2016

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Hi everyone, it's fine to debate but please keep the discussion civil, and any criticism constructive. Some of the posts in here are a bit heated.

Do you think it might be helpful to actually address the original concern instead just policing us? LMFAO @ZOS_AlanG

RAGUNAnoOne · January 2016

Only on the first page but I bet the Z is a moderators play nice message

edit: yup I am correct sigh...

Decayed_Inside · January 2016

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Hi everyone, it's fine to debate but please keep the discussion civil, and any criticism constructive. Some of the posts in here are a bit heated.

Do you think it might be helpful to actually address the original concern instead just policing us? LMFAO @ZOS_AlanG

He's a forum mod though he's not a developer. How can he fix the concern? When the devs did comment on VMA they said it was perfect and their work was flawless so we just need to adapt. A laughable response but it's the one we got.

Alucardo · January 2016

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Hi everyone, it's fine to debate but please keep the discussion civil, and any criticism constructive. Some of the posts in here are a bit heated.

Easy for you to say, Alan. Ever ran vMSA before mate?

Ezareth · January 2016

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Hi everyone, it's fine to debate but please keep the discussion civil, and any criticism constructive. Some of the posts in here are a bit heated.

Do you think it might be helpful to actually address the original concern instead just policing us? LMFAO @ZOS_AlanG

He's a forum mod though he's not a developer. How can he fix the concern? When the devs did comment on VMA they said it was perfect and their work was flawless so we just need to adapt. A laughable response but it's the one we got.

Except they didn't say anything of the kind, only that the difficulty was where they wanted it.

Moglijuana · January 2016

I always love checking Z responses to see if they are beneficial, but alas, another waste of text. If only they put the minimal amount of effort they do into the game instead of the forums, we would MAYBE see improvements...

Decayed_Inside · January 2016

Ezareth wrote: »

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Hi everyone, it's fine to debate but please keep the discussion civil, and any criticism constructive. Some of the posts in here are a bit heated.

Do you think it might be helpful to actually address the original concern instead just policing us? LMFAO @ZOS_AlanG

He's a forum mod though he's not a developer. How can he fix the concern? When the devs did comment on VMA they said it was perfect and their work was flawless so we just need to adapt. A laughable response but it's the one we got.

Except they didn't say anything of the kind, only that the difficulty was where they wanted it.

Which is exactly what I stated. The difficulty is where they wanted it aka the work is flawless and needs no adjusting. Sometimes i think you comment just to hear yourself talk

JD2013 · January 2016

You're all going to love the next trial then.

Apparently the devs said the veteran difficulty on it will be very, very hard.

LadyNalcarya · January 2016

JD2013 wrote: »

You're all going to love the next trial then.

Apparently the devs said the veteran difficulty on it will be very, very hard.

If so, I will love it

Of course, if its not solo-only, haha. I like a good challenge, and difficulty is not the reason why I dislike vMA.
And I have a team to wipe with

P.S. And if they will fix the rng system, I will be super happy. It probably wont happen, but a girl can dream, right?

Autolycus · January 2016

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Cool, thanks Alan.

I would like to reinforce an idea that was suggested in a parallel vMSA thread. Don't take a hammer-nerf to vMSA, but a scapel-nerf. Watch a bunch of casuals play vMSA and adjust certain troublesome attacks or mechanics accordingly.

Right now I am getting brick walled. How can I grind/farm something I can't even beat once? Its like asking me to jump over a 40 foot wall. I simply can't do it. Most of the frustration I have comes from these simple facts:
1) I was extremely excited for vMSA
2) vMSA is ridiculously hard, especially in comparison to normal
3) I would have played a balanced arena all day every day. Instead I give it a real shot every 20-30 cp, and when I dont improve at all, its another round of rage.

I am very QQ about this.

Perhaps we should explore some of the specific areas where you have troubles? If you list off certain rounds or mobs in particular, it is far more likely that someone will be able (and willing) to help. I know for me personally, I had to ask a couple of my friends after many failed attempts on the same round or mob. It does work differently for every class, yes, but talking to someone of another class who has completed it can be extremely beneficial. I was taking advice from a magicka dk before I cleared it on my magicka nb...

Kill priorities are extremely important in vMA. It's likely that you haven't quite gotten your system for each round down yet (which is okay, it takes tons of practice). There are some spots (arguably a lot of spots) where you must kill the exact right enemy, at the exact right time (or take some other action, though in vMA there is a very heavy focus on dps checks). I encourage you to locate and discuss your strategy in-depth with another magicka dk. Don't be afraid to ask other classes for help too - because while, in some cases, you will find the "l2p" attitude, you will also find people are eager to help someone else beat it.

As for a scalpel-nerf to vMA - I don't think this is a good idea personally. I like the challenge of vMA, and I do agree that there are certain balancing issues to be addressed. I would stress the difference between balancing and nerfing in this case. VMA is intended to be incredibly challenging, and I agree with the sentiment that it is solo elitist content. As for whether or not this belongs in an MMO is a different topic, and deserves its place in a separate discussion.

Autolycus · January 2016

JD2013 wrote: »

You're all going to love the next trial then.

Apparently the devs said the veteran difficulty on it will be very, very hard.

As it should be. Everyone in my guild is looking forward to having something incredibly difficult to work through, like vMA, but in the form of an actual trial. I miss the days of raiding when we had to try multiple times a week and it still took weeks to get a clear.

JD2013 · January 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

You're all going to love the next trial then.

Apparently the devs said the veteran difficulty on it will be very, very hard.

If so, I will love it Of course, if its not solo-only, haha. I like a good challenge, and difficulty is not the reason why I dislike vMA.
And I have a team to wipe with

P.S. And if they will fix the rng system, I will be super happy. It probably wont happen, but a girl can dream, right?

Ah, I do wish they would fix RNGesus.

It will definitely be more fun with a group of people! Totally agree there!

Eejit1331 · January 2016

If this was a game you bought at the store or online for console users, VMA would flop and would be one of the worst selling games. ZOS decided to make additional money by creating online purchases and since the arena is an item purchased I can see why there would be a lot of unhappy gamers. I enjoy most of eso, but would I buy just VMSA as a game, no. I sub, so I don't see it as a purchase and when I have a few hours here and there I try it out, but no saving points kills my opportunity to complete it.

The worst part is people share playing this for money on the ps4, so the numbers may even be lower.

Wollust · January 2016

JD2013 wrote: »

You're all going to love the next trial then.

Apparently the devs said the veteran difficulty on it will be very, very hard.

I really hope that it will take 12 great hardcore players weeks or even months to finally complete it. That's the kinda trial this game needs now. Not something that is already completed on the PTS or after 8 hours frustration max.

And the forum outcry from entitled people will be massive. Already looking forward.

Decado · January 2016

Yeah that's a great idea come here complaining you can't complete something as its to hard and yet say anyone who has completed it was before we had it easier and our achievements are invalid, it's like you wanted to be told to L2P.

Honestly you sound like a child spitting his dummy out, I'm very proud of my first completion of VMA thank you very much,

Now on the issue of weapons I think they should bring out a token system, say every 10 completes of normal you can get a weapon or every complete of veteran you can have one, I'd then say let them choose either type of weapon, for example I want a staff so I choose the staff box, and let the RNG be there, so I'm guaranteed a staff but no idea which staff and what trait, for those of us who can compete vMA we get rewards for out efforts and for people who can't they have a way of farming,

Not a perfect solution I know.

Oh and btw I'm still running my torugs nirn staff(not part of a set) and pulling decent numbers, I complete all
Content with that set up, so malestrom staffs while a nice bonus are not "the best by far"

Jhunn · January 2016

People nowadays expect to get everything handed to them.

So sad.

Molag_Crow · January 2016

Why does PC get nerfs to the damage and consoles dont?

Really? $:\$ wow.

And we are patches behind for the PvP performance "fixes" too....

Wollust · January 2016

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Why does PC get nerfs to the damage and consoles dont?

Really? $:\$ wow.

And we are patches behind for the PvP performance "fixes" too....

Believe me, you don't miss out anything on the performance fixes. It's as bad as always. Or even worse.

And damage wasn't nerfed afaik.
But blaming ZoS isn't fair. That's how the patch business is done on console. Nothing you can do about it.

CavalierPrime · January 2016

Jhunn wrote: »

People nowadays expect to get everything handed to them.

So sad.

Like I said, I am willing to work toward a win, but when its actually impossible, what's the point?

Whatever, no worries. The same way I paid 300k gold for my Kena helmet, ill pay real United States currency for my Maelstrom weapons and Stormproof title. Ill just bring a ringer over to my home and he can sit in my chair and play vMSA on my character while I kick up my feet and relax.

I always get my way.

LadyNalcarya · January 2016

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

People nowadays expect to get everything handed to them.

So sad.

Like I said, I am willing to work toward a win, but when its actually impossible, what's the point?

Whatever, no worries. The same way I paid 300k gold for my Kena helmet, ill pay real United States currency for my Maelstrom weapons and Stormproof title. Ill just bring a ringer over to my home and he can sit in my chair and play vMSA on my character while I kick up my feet and relax.

I always get my way.

In this case it shouldnt give "Stormproof" title, it should be something like "Wallet Warrior". And it should be rainbow-colored and shiny, and always be visible on your chars.

RAGUNAnoOne · January 2016

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Why does PC get nerfs to the damage and consoles dont?

Really? $:\$ wow.

And we are patches behind for the PvP performance "fixes" too....

Don't worry we got half of the path of darkness morphs performance fixes the one second tics with no damage increase

:'(

Jhunn · January 2016

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

People nowadays expect to get everything handed to them.

So sad.

Like I said, I am willing to work toward a win, but when its actually impossible, what's the point?

Whatever, no worries. The same way I paid 300k gold for my Kena helmet, ill pay real United States currency for my Maelstrom weapons and Stormproof title. Ill just bring a ringer over to my home and he can sit in my chair and play vMSA on my character while I kick up my feet and relax.

I always get my way.

Impossible? Doesn't seem like you're willing to work enough.

Go ahead, I won't stop you. But I'll repeat. People expect to get everything handed to them - so sad

CavalierPrime · January 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

People nowadays expect to get everything handed to them.

So sad.

Like I said, I am willing to work toward a win, but when its actually impossible, what's the point?

Whatever, no worries. The same way I paid 300k gold for my Kena helmet, ill pay real United States currency for my Maelstrom weapons and Stormproof title. Ill just bring a ringer over to my home and he can sit in my chair and play vMSA on my character while I kick up my feet and relax.

I always get my way.

In this case it shouldnt give "Stormproof" title, it should be something like "Wallet Warrior". And it should be rainbow-colored and shiny, and always be visible on your chars.

Wallet Warrior is for people who pay $180 a year for a sub when you can buy all the DLC separate for about $80 a year.

Decado · January 2016

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

People nowadays expect to get everything handed to them.

So sad.

Like I said, I am willing to work toward a win, but when its actually impossible, what's the point?

Whatever, no worries. The same way I paid 300k gold for my Kena helmet, ill pay real United States currency for my Maelstrom weapons and Stormproof title. Ill just bring a ringer over to my home and he can sit in my chair and play vMSA on my character while I kick up my feet and relax.

I always get my way.

And has the cheek to call other people's achievements illegitimate, you my friend deserve a cookie

LadyNalcarya · January 2016

CavalierPrime wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

People nowadays expect to get everything handed to them.

So sad.

Like I said, I am willing to work toward a win, but when its actually impossible, what's the point?

Whatever, no worries. The same way I paid 300k gold for my Kena helmet, ill pay real United States currency for my Maelstrom weapons and Stormproof title. Ill just bring a ringer over to my home and he can sit in my chair and play vMSA on my character while I kick up my feet and relax.

I always get my way.

In this case it shouldnt give "Stormproof" title, it should be something like "Wallet Warrior". And it should be rainbow-colored and shiny, and always be visible on your chars.

Wallet Warrior is for people who pay $180 a year for a sub when you can buy all the DLC separate for about $80 a year.

Nope, it doesnt have anything with fighting

And you wanna fake a battle-earned title with your wallet... Maybe you want to buy emperorship as well? It takes too much time to become one, you know.

But anyway, there's a lot of possible titles for that. Like this one for example:

Decayed_Inside · January 2016

Why shouldn't he buy Emperorship? That's what everyone else is doing.

LadyNalcarya · January 2016

Decado wrote: »

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

People nowadays expect to get everything handed to them.

So sad.

Like I said, I am willing to work toward a win, but when its actually impossible, what's the point?

Whatever, no worries. The same way I paid 300k gold for my Kena helmet, ill pay real United States currency for my Maelstrom weapons and Stormproof title. Ill just bring a ringer over to my home and he can sit in my chair and play vMSA on my character while I kick up my feet and relax.

I always get my way.

And has the cheek to call other people's achievements illegitimate, you my friend deserve a cookie

I remember an old diablo clone game... I think it was called sacred or something, doesnt matter.
In that game anyone who tried to use cheat codes, was marked with pink bunny ears and tail. Nice idea imo.