frozywozy wrote: »

Lol. VE trying to avoid the challenge is hilarious. Gave me a good laugh!

@xANTIxMATTERx - I think you're gonna have to let them come with the full 24men ballgroup against your 18men if you really expect them to show up, otherwise I'm afraid the Bulb's tradition of not being involved in GvG will stand.

Why do you act like there's some onus on VE to do GvGs? From a mature perspective, there's nothing wrong with either choosing to partake or not partake, there are many ways for players to spend their time in ESO. None of us are in here denigrating the GvG.

You know how everyone laughs at kiddies that pm you this wanting 1v1s?

I'm not saying that the hosted GvG is 'silly' like that, but it's the same principle: you don't feel compelled to take the guy up on his 1v1 by virtue of him insisting on it, you either feel like it or you don't - and it's none of anyone else's business.

Yet here you are basically painting VE as cowards, as you put it, 'trying to avoid the challenge'. I wasn't aware that we live in the 1800's and are compelled by social standards to protect our manhood by partaking in GvG 'duels'. If you want my personal opinion, organized GvGs become boring in the same way as all the dueling in Legends became boring; it all devolves into running the proper counter build to your opponent - that is, a dueling build. Combat becomes predictable. On the other hand, open world PvP (surprise surprise, what most of us actually bought this game to do in the first place) is dynamic, unpredictable and hence, exciting. I just don't see the problem between playing the game as we find enjoyable vs being compelled to jump to any challenge to.....defend our honor?

Of course, I'm sure you'll just pretty much ignore the points of my post and run back with some comeback about 'VE's way of enjoyment is bad for the game, shame shame, how dare they run a 24 man group.'

Alas.

frozywozy wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Lol. VE trying to avoid the challenge is hilarious. Gave me a good laugh!

@xANTIxMATTERx - I think you're gonna have to let them come with the full 24men ballgroup against your 18men if you really expect them to show up, otherwise I'm afraid the Bulb's tradition of not being involved in GvG will stand.

Why do you act like there's some onus on VE to do GvGs? From a mature perspective, there's nothing wrong with either choosing to partake or not partake, there are many ways for players to spend their time in ESO. None of us are in here denigrating the GvG.

You know how everyone laughs at kiddies that pm you this wanting 1v1s?

I'm not saying that the hosted GvG is 'silly' like that, but it's the same principle: you don't feel compelled to take the guy up on his 1v1 by virtue of him insisting on it, you either feel like it or you don't - and it's none of anyone else's business.

Yet here you are basically painting VE as cowards, as you put it, 'trying to avoid the challenge'. I wasn't aware that we live in the 1800's and are compelled by social standards to protect our manhood by partaking in GvG 'duels'. If you want my personal opinion, organized GvGs become boring in the same way as all the dueling in Legends became boring; it all devolves into running the proper counter build to your opponent - that is, a dueling build. Combat becomes predictable. On the other hand, open world PvP (surprise surprise, what most of us actually bought this game to do in the first place) is dynamic, unpredictable and hence, exciting. I just don't see the problem between playing the game as we find enjoyable vs being compelled to jump to any challenge to.....defend our honor?

Of course, I'm sure you'll just pretty much ignore the points of my post and run back with some comeback about 'VE's way of enjoyment is bad for the game, shame shame, how dare they run a 24 man group.'

Alas.

My personal opinion is that this thread was made to have lag free and competitive (interesting) medium size groups challenges which is probably the ideal gameplay in Teso PvP right now and it would be great to see the only few remaining competitive guilds right now participating for the sake of having fun.

The fact that you don't want to participate because you think you don't have anything to prouve or anything part of the wall of texts of arguments you brought is totally your right to do so but you're missing out on a lot of fun and I personally see no reason why a guild who wreck faces on a daily basis would not be interested to be part of clean fights like that without latency issues. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

I mean, we have lots of fun on a nightly basis. I had some absolutely amazing fights against Rage last night. Lost a few, won a few crazy ones at Sej and BRK. At the end of the BRK fight I had to take a break because my hands were shaking lol. Amazing latency, top notch opponents on a completely unique and unpredictable battlefield (brought about by my stupid idea to somehow swap BRK from yellow to red with my blue raid...) Shoutout to @Manoekin or whoever was leading for those fights, it was a tough and exciting PvP night

As for reasons, I'd rather seek out fights of that nature than partake in some sort of grudge match that escalates the already testy relationship between our guilds. I think it was made clear by Antimatter (and I think everyone already knew) that a GvG with Haxus and VE wouldn't exactly be a friendly affair, and I have no interest in engaging in that. Win or lose it's not worth it to me anymore. Speaking personally, I've lost many people I had held to be good friends since the VE re-roll and most of it to stupid stuff like frustrating fights that each side thinks is unfair for reasons and the resentment just builds and builds until the stupidity levels on both sides are over 9000. I dislike being in yelling matches with people I've known since launch. The absolute last thing I want is another escalation, and the vehemence (lol) with which this match was pushed at me--mind you in a context that was supposed to be friendly--only confirms to me that this is something I have no desire for.

I'll hold other less dramatic thoughts in reserve so as to preserve the wall of text but that's my general feeling on the matter. I've never been shy of fights in the game, anyone I play with and probably anyone I play against can tell you I like to push into stupid situations just to see if I can. I know @Winnamine is not fond of me prefacing a fight with, "So we're probably going to die here but..." In this case there is no pressing reason for me to fight, no point I need to prove and no lost honor to recover. And ultimately it's not even my call, so I'm going to try to leave it here with best wishes to those who do find it fun and want to go at it. Post some videos, make me jelly I didn't go and maybe next time will be different

Ghostbane wrote: »

I can do a brilliant impression of the ref from Gladiators.

lol your signature

Satiar wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Lol. VE trying to avoid the challenge is hilarious. Gave me a good laugh!

@xANTIxMATTERx - I think you're gonna have to let them come with the full 24men ballgroup against your 18men if you really expect them to show up, otherwise I'm afraid the Bulb's tradition of not being involved in GvG will stand.

Why do you act like there's some onus on VE to do GvGs? From a mature perspective, there's nothing wrong with either choosing to partake or not partake, there are many ways for players to spend their time in ESO. None of us are in here denigrating the GvG.

You know how everyone laughs at kiddies that pm you this wanting 1v1s?

I'm not saying that the hosted GvG is 'silly' like that, but it's the same principle: you don't feel compelled to take the guy up on his 1v1 by virtue of him insisting on it, you either feel like it or you don't - and it's none of anyone else's business.

Yet here you are basically painting VE as cowards, as you put it, 'trying to avoid the challenge'. I wasn't aware that we live in the 1800's and are compelled by social standards to protect our manhood by partaking in GvG 'duels'. If you want my personal opinion, organized GvGs become boring in the same way as all the dueling in Legends became boring; it all devolves into running the proper counter build to your opponent - that is, a dueling build. Combat becomes predictable. On the other hand, open world PvP (surprise surprise, what most of us actually bought this game to do in the first place) is dynamic, unpredictable and hence, exciting. I just don't see the problem between playing the game as we find enjoyable vs being compelled to jump to any challenge to.....defend our honor?

Of course, I'm sure you'll just pretty much ignore the points of my post and run back with some comeback about 'VE's way of enjoyment is bad for the game, shame shame, how dare they run a 24 man group.'

Alas.

My personal opinion is that this thread was made to have lag free and competitive (interesting) medium size groups challenges which is probably the ideal gameplay in Teso PvP right now and it would be great to see the only few remaining competitive guilds right now participating for the sake of having fun.

The fact that you don't want to participate because you think you don't have anything to prouve or anything part of the wall of texts of arguments you brought is totally your right to do so but you're missing out on a lot of fun and I personally see no reason why a guild who wreck faces on a daily basis would not be interested to be part of clean fights like that without latency issues. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

I mean, we have lots of fun on a nightly basis. I had some absolutely amazing fights against Rage last night. Lost a few, won a few crazy ones at Sej and BRK. At the end of the BRK fight I had to take a break because my hands were shaking lol. Amazing latency, top notch opponents on a completely unique and unpredictable battlefield (brought about by my stupid idea to somehow swap BRK from yellow to red with my blue raid...) Shoutout to @Manoekin or whoever was leading for those fights, it was a tough and exciting PvP night

As for reasons, I'd rather seek out fights of that nature than partake in some sort of grudge match that escalates the already testy relationship between our guilds. I think it was made clear by Antimatter (and I think everyone already knew) that a GvG with Haxus and VE wouldn't exactly be a friendly affair, and I have no interest in engaging in that. Win or lose it's not worth it to me anymore. Speaking personally, I've lost many people I had held to be good friends since the VE re-roll and most of it to stupid stuff like frustrating fights that each side thinks is unfair for reasons and the resentment just builds and builds until the stupidity levels on both sides are over 9000. I dislike being in yelling matches with people I've known since launch. The absolute last thing I want is another escalation, and the vehemence (lol) with which this match was pushed at me--mind you in a context that was supposed to be friendly--only confirms to me that this is something I have no desire for.

I'll hold other less dramatic thoughts in reserve so as to preserve the wall of text but that's my general feeling on the matter. I've never been shy of fights in the game, anyone I play with and probably anyone I play against can tell you I like to push into stupid situations just to see if I can. I know @Winnamine is not fond of me prefacing a fight with, "So we're probably going to die here but..." In this case there is no pressing reason for me to fight, no point I need to prove and no lost honor to recover. And ultimately it's not even my call, so I'm going to try to leave it here with best wishes to those who do find it fun and want to go at it. Post some videos, make me jelly I didn't go and maybe next time will be different

Jesus. Steve before a fight: "Alright everyone, I know I just made you all run across the entire freaking map, twice bc I changed my mind once, but now we're here, glory is upon us, along with about 70 AD, and we're probably definitely going to die horribly here and be teabagged by the yellow horde, in slow-mo bc ping is +999, then we'll ride back and do it again, who's pumped?!"

for some reason I saw the title and thought of the Friday night sissy fights sketch from chapelle show XD

Jules wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Lol. VE trying to avoid the challenge is hilarious. Gave me a good laugh!

@xANTIxMATTERx - I think you're gonna have to let them come with the full 24men ballgroup against your 18men if you really expect them to show up, otherwise I'm afraid the Bulb's tradition of not being involved in GvG will stand.

Why do you act like there's some onus on VE to do GvGs? From a mature perspective, there's nothing wrong with either choosing to partake or not partake, there are many ways for players to spend their time in ESO. None of us are in here denigrating the GvG.

You know how everyone laughs at kiddies that pm you this wanting 1v1s?

I'm not saying that the hosted GvG is 'silly' like that, but it's the same principle: you don't feel compelled to take the guy up on his 1v1 by virtue of him insisting on it, you either feel like it or you don't - and it's none of anyone else's business.

Yet here you are basically painting VE as cowards, as you put it, 'trying to avoid the challenge'. I wasn't aware that we live in the 1800's and are compelled by social standards to protect our manhood by partaking in GvG 'duels'. If you want my personal opinion, organized GvGs become boring in the same way as all the dueling in Legends became boring; it all devolves into running the proper counter build to your opponent - that is, a dueling build. Combat becomes predictable. On the other hand, open world PvP (surprise surprise, what most of us actually bought this game to do in the first place) is dynamic, unpredictable and hence, exciting. I just don't see the problem between playing the game as we find enjoyable vs being compelled to jump to any challenge to.....defend our honor?

Of course, I'm sure you'll just pretty much ignore the points of my post and run back with some comeback about 'VE's way of enjoyment is bad for the game, shame shame, how dare they run a 24 man group.'

Alas.

My personal opinion is that this thread was made to have lag free and competitive (interesting) medium size groups challenges which is probably the ideal gameplay in Teso PvP right now and it would be great to see the only few remaining competitive guilds right now participating for the sake of having fun.

The fact that you don't want to participate because you think you don't have anything to prouve or anything part of the wall of texts of arguments you brought is totally your right to do so but you're missing out on a lot of fun and I personally see no reason why a guild who wreck faces on a daily basis would not be interested to be part of clean fights like that without latency issues. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

I mean, we have lots of fun on a nightly basis. I had some absolutely amazing fights against Rage last night. Lost a few, won a few crazy ones at Sej and BRK. At the end of the BRK fight I had to take a break because my hands were shaking lol. Amazing latency, top notch opponents on a completely unique and unpredictable battlefield (brought about by my stupid idea to somehow swap BRK from yellow to red with my blue raid...) Shoutout to @Manoekin or whoever was leading for those fights, it was a tough and exciting PvP night

As for reasons, I'd rather seek out fights of that nature than partake in some sort of grudge match that escalates the already testy relationship between our guilds. I think it was made clear by Antimatter (and I think everyone already knew) that a GvG with Haxus and VE wouldn't exactly be a friendly affair, and I have no interest in engaging in that. Win or lose it's not worth it to me anymore. Speaking personally, I've lost many people I had held to be good friends since the VE re-roll and most of it to stupid stuff like frustrating fights that each side thinks is unfair for reasons and the resentment just builds and builds until the stupidity levels on both sides are over 9000. I dislike being in yelling matches with people I've known since launch. The absolute last thing I want is another escalation, and the vehemence (lol) with which this match was pushed at me--mind you in a context that was supposed to be friendly--only confirms to me that this is something I have no desire for.

I'll hold other less dramatic thoughts in reserve so as to preserve the wall of text but that's my general feeling on the matter. I've never been shy of fights in the game, anyone I play with and probably anyone I play against can tell you I like to push into stupid situations just to see if I can. I know @Winnamine is not fond of me prefacing a fight with, "So we're probably going to die here but..." In this case there is no pressing reason for me to fight, no point I need to prove and no lost honor to recover. And ultimately it's not even my call, so I'm going to try to leave it here with best wishes to those who do find it fun and want to go at it. Post some videos, make me jelly I didn't go and maybe next time will be different

Jesus. Steve before a fight: "Alright everyone, I know I just made you all run across the entire freaking map, twice bc I changed my mind once, but now we're here, glory is upon us, along with about 70 AD, and we're probably definitely going to die horribly here and be teabagged by the yellow horde, in slow-mo bc ping is +999, then we'll ride back and do it again, who's pumped?!"

lol. Better than the braveheart pep talk.

"Glory is upon us" definitely a line I would use.

Xiphyla wrote: »

What time is this event starting so that i can sleep early and wake up early for this

9pm EST

This thread had such a head of steam wha happppen

frozywozy wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Lol. VE trying to avoid the challenge is hilarious. Gave me a good laugh!

@xANTIxMATTERx - I think you're gonna have to let them come with the full 24men ballgroup against your 18men if you really expect them to show up, otherwise I'm afraid the Bulb's tradition of not being involved in GvG will stand.

Why do you act like there's some onus on VE to do GvGs? From a mature perspective, there's nothing wrong with either choosing to partake or not partake, there are many ways for players to spend their time in ESO. None of us are in here denigrating the GvG.

You know how everyone laughs at kiddies that pm you this wanting 1v1s?

I'm not saying that the hosted GvG is 'silly' like that, but it's the same principle: you don't feel compelled to take the guy up on his 1v1 by virtue of him insisting on it, you either feel like it or you don't - and it's none of anyone else's business.

Yet here you are basically painting VE as cowards, as you put it, 'trying to avoid the challenge'. I wasn't aware that we live in the 1800's and are compelled by social standards to protect our manhood by partaking in GvG 'duels'. If you want my personal opinion, organized GvGs become boring in the same way as all the dueling in Legends became boring; it all devolves into running the proper counter build to your opponent - that is, a dueling build. Combat becomes predictable. On the other hand, open world PvP (surprise surprise, what most of us actually bought this game to do in the first place) is dynamic, unpredictable and hence, exciting. I just don't see the problem between playing the game as we find enjoyable vs being compelled to jump to any challenge to.....defend our honor?

Of course, I'm sure you'll just pretty much ignore the points of my post and run back with some comeback about 'VE's way of enjoyment is bad for the game, shame shame, how dare they run a 24 man group.'

Alas.

My personal opinion is that this thread was made to have lag free and competitive (interesting) medium size groups challenges which is probably the ideal gameplay in Teso PvP right now and it would be great to see the only few remaining competitive guilds right now participating for the sake of having fun, no matter the tensions going on lately between different groups. This tournament won't determinate who is the best at this game. It will simply, like some people pointed out, ease the travel distances, improve the quality of battles and give us a great idea of what small instance battlegrounds would look like in a near TM future.

The fact that you don't want to participate because you think you don't have anything to prouve or anything part of the wall of texts of arguments you brought is totally your right to do so but you're missing out on a lot of fun and I personally see no reason why a guild who wreck faces on a daily basis would not be interested to be part of clean fights like that without latency issues. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

If the event has half the egos and thinly-veiled accusations as this thread does, I don't think I'd be missing out on much fun

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Lol. VE trying to avoid the challenge is hilarious. Gave me a good laugh!

@xANTIxMATTERx - I think you're gonna have to let them come with the full 24men ballgroup against your 18men if you really expect them to show up, otherwise I'm afraid the Bulb's tradition of not being involved in GvG will stand.

Why do you act like there's some onus on VE to do GvGs? From a mature perspective, there's nothing wrong with either choosing to partake or not partake, there are many ways for players to spend their time in ESO. None of us are in here denigrating the GvG.

You know how everyone laughs at kiddies that pm you this wanting 1v1s?

I'm not saying that the hosted GvG is 'silly' like that, but it's the same principle: you don't feel compelled to take the guy up on his 1v1 by virtue of him insisting on it, you either feel like it or you don't - and it's none of anyone else's business.

Yet here you are basically painting VE as cowards, as you put it, 'trying to avoid the challenge'. I wasn't aware that we live in the 1800's and are compelled by social standards to protect our manhood by partaking in GvG 'duels'. If you want my personal opinion, organized GvGs become boring in the same way as all the dueling in Legends became boring; it all devolves into running the proper counter build to your opponent - that is, a dueling build. Combat becomes predictable. On the other hand, open world PvP (surprise surprise, what most of us actually bought this game to do in the first place) is dynamic, unpredictable and hence, exciting. I just don't see the problem between playing the game as we find enjoyable vs being compelled to jump to any challenge to.....defend our honor?

Of course, I'm sure you'll just pretty much ignore the points of my post and run back with some comeback about 'VE's way of enjoyment is bad for the game, shame shame, how dare they run a 24 man group.'

Alas.

My personal opinion is that this thread was made to have lag free and competitive (interesting) medium size groups challenges which is probably the ideal gameplay in Teso PvP right now and it would be great to see the only few remaining competitive guilds right now participating for the sake of having fun, no matter the tensions going on lately between different groups. This tournament won't determinate who is the best at this game. It will simply, like some people pointed out, ease the travel distances, improve the quality of battles and give us a great idea of what small instance battlegrounds would look like in a near TM future.

The fact that you don't want to participate because you think you don't have anything to prouve or anything part of the wall of texts of arguments you brought is totally your right to do so but you're missing out on a lot of fun and I personally see no reason why a guild who wreck faces on a daily basis would not be interested to be part of clean fights like that without latency issues. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

If the event has half the egos and thinly-veiled accusations as this thread does, I don't think I'd be missing out on much fun

It's mainly just coming from a couple of salt shakers, I think it'll be decent fun.