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which of these statements do you agree with?
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ralonasan✭✭✭✭Daran_Cousland wrote: »If you consider putting most or all of your attribute points into one of 3 attributes to be min-maxing, then you really don't understand what that term means. That could be an element of min-maxing, but without also considering a lot of other factors, it's not min-maxing.
I know what min-maxing means. Like a sorcerer putting all points into magicka except for maybe a couple points in health and none in stamina. How can you play with a character so fragile you have to spend all your time defensively maneuvering? And forget about breaking out of CC. One hit and that's all. Glass cannon, indeed.
But you're right about me not considering other factors, mostly because I'm still new to the game and didn't think about it. Players are making up for imbalanced attributes with armor enchantments. But it all comes out the same, doesn't it? What difference does it make if your health stamina or magicka pools come from attributes or enchantments?
So posting character attributes doesn't tell us much about the character unless gear enchantments are posted too.
You're forgetting what traits the gear has, CP, mundus and set bonuses. There's many layers.
It matters a lot where you get those stats from because they come in different values. And those values can be adjusted by traits on your gear.The ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist: ☑
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GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭min-max player's are not bad, they just take the easy way out to be "skilled"... if that's what you wanna call it.
i have a hell of a lot more fun using unorthodox build's though.
Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on January 11, 2016 2:08PMPS4 NA DC0 -
ralonasan✭✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »min-max player's are not bad, they just take the easy way out to be "skilled"... if that's what you wanna call it.
You have no idea what min maxing is. That's the dumbest statement you could have made.The ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist: ☑
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☐ THIS IS P2W!
☐ L2P n00b.
☐ Where is the LOL button??
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Zyle✭✭✭✭✭Daran_Cousland wrote: »- min-maxing is the only way to build the most effective character
- min-maxing is for players who lack imagination
I agree with both statements.
676 CP
Zyle - LVL50 Stamina Nightblade - Former Emp AS - VMA Clear (Flawless)
Joven - LVL50 Hybrid Templar
Adion - LVL50 Stamina DK
Radac - LVL50 Magicka Sorcerer
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Daran_Cousland✭✭✭bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »
I agree with both statements.
ya, I'm getting that opinion, too. I just don't want to be limited to a cookie cutter spec to be competitive.0 -
ralonasan✭✭✭✭Daran_Cousland wrote: »bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »
I agree with both statements.
ya, I'm getting that opinion, too. I just don't want to be limited to a cookie cutter spec to be competitive.
You aren't. That's not what min maxing is. You can min max your own build to make it viable.The ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist: ☑
☐ Nerf/Buff Sorcerers.
☐ Nerf/Buff Nightblades.
☐ Nerf/Buff Dragonknights.
☐ Nerf/Buff Templars.
☐ THIS IS P2W!
☐ L2P n00b.
☐ Where is the LOL button??
☐ Fix PvP lag.
☐ LFG is full of scrubs.
☐ WHEN WILL YOU ADD CONSOLE TEXT CHAT?
☐ WHEN ARE ARENAS COMING?
☐ Natch Potes.
☐ Nerf Veteran Maelstrom Arena.
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MrDerrikk✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wait, you think that if you put all your attributes into 1 stat then you're easily 1-shot? I beg to differ sir, my Magicka DK has everything into Magicka and I'm constantly the last one alive with my survival skill loadout (normally I have 0 self-heals in dungeons as I rely on the healer). I don't even benefit from the Sorc mobility as a DK.
Min-maxing is fun, I take back my halfway view from before now that I've gotten my DK almost there. It's fun to see how powerful you can make your char, and to watch the pretty FTC numbers go flying...I have departed into the great unknown that is outside the game and the forums, and wish you well in your Tamriel adventures!
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VR11 Mrderrikk: Breton Stam Sorc (Vamp) | VR16 Derrikkinblack: Dunmer Mage DK | VR3 Cuts-Until-It-Dies: Argonian Magicka NB
Oh look, Anook.0 -
Daran_Cousland✭✭✭Wait, you think that if you put all your attributes into 1 stat then you're easily 1-shot? I beg to differ sir, my Magicka DK has everything into Magicka and I'm constantly the last one alive with my survival skill loadout (normally I have 0 self-heals in dungeons as I rely on the healer). I don't even benefit from the Sorc mobility as a DK.
Min-maxing is fun, I take back my halfway view from before now that I've gotten my DK almost there. It's fun to see how powerful you can make your char, and to watch the pretty FTC numbers go flying...
so you got other players drawing fire. what happens when you're alone?0 -
ralonasan✭✭✭✭Daran_Cousland wrote: »Wait, you think that if you put all your attributes into 1 stat then you're easily 1-shot? I beg to differ sir, my Magicka DK has everything into Magicka and I'm constantly the last one alive with my survival skill loadout (normally I have 0 self-heals in dungeons as I rely on the healer). I don't even benefit from the Sorc mobility as a DK.
Min-maxing is fun, I take back my halfway view from before now that I've gotten my DK almost there. It's fun to see how powerful you can make your char, and to watch the pretty FTC numbers go flying...
so you got other players drawing fire. what happens when you're alone?
More Magika allows him to use more of his skills that restore resources and health. 1v1 Magika dks are amazing.The ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist: ☑
☐ Nerf/Buff Sorcerers.
☐ Nerf/Buff Nightblades.
☐ Nerf/Buff Dragonknights.
☐ Nerf/Buff Templars.
☐ THIS IS P2W!
☐ L2P n00b.
☐ Where is the LOL button??
☐ Fix PvP lag.
☐ LFG is full of scrubs.
☐ WHEN WILL YOU ADD CONSOLE TEXT CHAT?
☐ WHEN ARE ARENAS COMING?
☐ Natch Potes.
☐ Nerf Veteran Maelstrom Arena.
☐ Race Change ETA?
☐ Please add the Barber Shop!
☐ Why don't Trials scale?
☐ Working as intended.
☐ Why did you nerf/buff this?
☐ When will "thing" be added?1 -
MrDerrikk✭✭✭✭✭
✭Daran_Cousland wrote: »Wait, you think that if you put all your attributes into 1 stat then you're easily 1-shot? I beg to differ sir, my Magicka DK has everything into Magicka and I'm constantly the last one alive with my survival skill loadout (normally I have 0 self-heals in dungeons as I rely on the healer). I don't even benefit from the Sorc mobility as a DK.
Min-maxing is fun, I take back my halfway view from before now that I've gotten my DK almost there. It's fun to see how powerful you can make your char, and to watch the pretty FTC numbers go flying...
so you got other players drawing fire. what happens when you're alone?
I can solo most stuff (haven't done much vMA because my internet has been really laggy recently, and frankly I'm not good enough for that yet) with him using a variety of skills. Inhale works absolute wonders for survivability.I have departed into the great unknown that is outside the game and the forums, and wish you well in your Tamriel adventures!
DC - PC - EU - Australian
VR11 Mrderrikk: Breton Stam Sorc (Vamp) | VR16 Derrikkinblack: Dunmer Mage DK | VR3 Cuts-Until-It-Dies: Argonian Magicka NB
Oh look, Anook.0 -
Daran_Cousland✭✭✭I see. I like to run alone. But I also have strong support abilities. As a result my damage isn't as awesome as it could be, but that's a trade-off I'm willing to accept.
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freespirit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Daran_Cousland wrote: »If you consider putting most or all of your attribute points into one of 3 attributes to be min-maxing, then you really don't understand what that term means. That could be an element of min-maxing, but without also considering a lot of other factors, it's not min-maxing.
I know what min-maxing means. Like a sorcerer putting all points into magicka except for maybe a couple points in health and none in stamina. How can you play with a character so fragile you have to spend all your time defensively maneuvering? And forget about breaking out of CC. One hit and that's all. Glass cannon, indeed.
But you're right about me not considering other factors, mostly because I'm still new to the game and didn't think about it. Players are making up for imbalanced attributes with armor enchantments. But it all comes out the same, doesn't it? What difference does it make if your health stamina or magicka pools come from attributes or enchantments?
So posting character attributes doesn't tell us much about the character unless gear enchantments are posted too.
My Templar runs with all points in Magicka but by using different armour sets, specific traits, specific enchantments, carefully chosen CP's, a suitable Mundus Stone, the best food for her needs and skill morphs that aid my stats. ........
my character is neither fragile nor incapable of breaking out of CC and can on most occasions manage enough roll/dodges to get out of trouble.
I most definitely do not consider myself a min-maxer and frequently change my set-up depending on the content I am about to do.
If as you say you are new to the game there are probably many combinations that you have not yet discovered that you will find really fun to play, don't get too hung up on where you assign your stat points.
When people say to me........
"You're going to regret that in the morning"
I sleep until midday cos I'm a problem solver!0
