so you can cloak with prox det?!?

LBxFinalDeath · January 2016

Wait til you run into scummy AD who all use clouding swarm with prox det and gap close spam into steel tornado.

Entire zergs get decimated by the 30K bats alone.

Lexxypwns · January 2016

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@Lexxypwns actually every class can use a reflect but choose not to, it's in the one hand shield skill tree (look it up).
Sorcs use it all the time when they have meteor I'd reflect it and they'll reflect it back using bolstered defence and I'd get hit with it automatically.
I'm also not sure if you're quite not understanding inhale and it's morphs correctly because they don't do enough damage for it to be a go to thing to use in a crowd; prior to the nerf it was a go to thing to use. Survivability was DKs strengths in PvP but unfortunately all the QQing took away our ulti regen, regeneration, and skills.

@revonine I don't know about that even if they do not receive the stealth bonus (thought they did) it does infact hit like a truck against single targets (which isn't intended, it's suppose to be a anti group ability). I've been hit 5k+ back to back with a max hit of 12k from a regular player. That person wasn't a sorc but a NB, sorcs on the other hand hit for 5k-8k as far as I remember. Don't get me started when you stack fear along with prox det too......

Actually, that only reflects magic projectiles, you'll see I specified snipe. Perhaps a pbaoe damage, heal, and interrupt doesn't seem to be working right for you, but that seems like a build issue since every good DK I know swears by deep breath and has no problem getting it to function in a satisfactory way. Perhaps you should consult some build videos on youtube, Kodi has a good dk build

TheBonesXXX wrote: »

Lack of burst is lacking, buff the damage to Magicka NB, prox det really is necessary.

Honestly, magika NB has one of the hardest hitting abilities in the game atm, the Merciless Resolve proc hits VERY hard and has a travel time so you can time it to hit with other abilities.

Lord-Otto · January 2016

I do not swear by Deep Breath and neither does Sypher. For the same reasons that have also been stated here before: not enough damage. A delayed damage that hits weaker than an Impulse is just unrealistic. And the heal is inferior to staff heals, which you need to slot, anyway.
Sap Essence does everything Deep Breath does, minus the interrupt, but better. So much for "squishy Nightblades".

MaxwellC · January 2016

@Lexxypwns It seems you're not grasping the ability but @Lord-Otto sure does. Every good DK I know also does not use that ability anymore unless it's PvE. If I switch to my Mag DK set-up it's utterly pathetic against anyone in PvP, maybe you should give some tests trys to refresh your memory a bit more

Lexxypwns · January 2016

Lord-Otto wrote: »

I do not swear by Deep Breath and neither does Sypher. For the same reasons that have also been stated here before: not enough damage. A delayed damage that hits weaker than an Impulse is just unrealistic. And the heal is inferior to staff heals, which you need to slot, anyway.
Sap Essence does everything Deep Breath does, minus the interrupt, but better. So much for "squishy Nightblades".

NB is imo probably as tanky as anything, when built properly, and doesn't have to sacrifice much damage for it, you won't hear me deny that.

I should probably clarify, the DKs I know that are still playing Magika DK religiously are typically at the very least in small groups because the class has been crippled for solo play and puts you at a distinct mechanical advantage, however, for group play, you're going to be hard pressed to tell me Deep Breath isn't good. I agree, sap is better if you're only looking at damage and healing (significantly), but adding an aoe interrupt, imo makes deep breath almost as good as sap overall.

It seems like you guys are misconstruing what I'm saying to say that DK is in a good place and balanced with NB, its not and I would never suggest that. I'm simply saying that Deep Breath should NOT hit as hard as sap when it has an aoe interrupt and that is indeed worth a bar slot. I suppose if you run a s/b build and have reduced bash cost passives then maybe its worth not running, but let's be honest, on a DW DK your stamina is too precious when you can just use a magika based ability, that does damage, heals (albeit slightly), and interrupts RD, soul assault, snipe, etc.

Hopefully this clears up my stance on the subject since I'm really not trying to be combative

Zyle · January 2016

When you see that circle, block!