ZOS this is the beginning of the future for PVP

ShiunTraze · January 2016

What King Richard suggests is a great idea and I think this should be implemented. It would most definitely encourage me (who has drifted in and out of Cyrodiil every so often) to PvP more in a lag-free environment especially

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPtT84pBTqo

ShiunTraze · January 2016

...and it wouldn't require you to create new arenas, etc.

ShiunTraze · January 2016

Also I think each tier should be an arena option itself. Basically what King Richard is suggesting is a mode, like a ladder 'survival' system for concise groups that work well together. We should get single matches as well where we can choose a level/random and use that for one fight

Desommettor · January 2016

I like this idea a lot you don't have to even tier the arena zones like a tournament either they can be stand alone zones that players can que into.

Casdha · January 2016

I think it would be a good idea, but they would need to keep in a backup plan in case there aren't enough groups to fill the slots such as allowing a rematch in the next arena if no one is cued up for the next round.

If someone is eliminated and reset after a loss (single elimination), well I can't even wake up to do the math this morning, that seems like a lot of matches that have to be in the first round, what like 2 to the 9th which would be 81 teams if he was saying 2 teams per arena. (Correct me on that If I'm wrong, its early)

If you didn't allow rematches when possible you would have to have that many teams for matches going on at the first round for each winner of the 9th.

Edit: small edit on the last sentence.

ShiunTraze · January 2016

Casdha wrote: »

I think it would be a good idea, but they would need to keep in a backup plan in case there aren't enough groups to fill the slots such as allowing a rematch in the next arena if no one is cued up for the next round.

If someone is eliminated and reset after a loss (single elimination), well I can't even wake up to do the math this morning, that seems like a lot of matches that have to be in the first round, what like 2 to the 9th which would be 81 teams if he was saying 2 teams per arena. (Correct me on that If I'm wrong, its early)

If you didn't allow rematches when possible you would have to have that many teams for matches going on at the first round for each winner of the 9th.

Edit: small edit on the last sentence.

maybe the teams don't have to be on the same tier then? So if I was on tier 4 i could play a tier 3 and go on to tier 5. That way it would count as getting a number of successive wins against anybody. You lose then you reset. I also think there should be other ways to get the rewards at the end

Anzriel · January 2016

ShiunTraze wrote: »

Casdha wrote: »

I think it would be a good idea, but they would need to keep in a backup plan in case there aren't enough groups to fill the slots such as allowing a rematch in the next arena if no one is cued up for the next round.

If someone is eliminated and reset after a loss (single elimination), well I can't even wake up to do the math this morning, that seems like a lot of matches that have to be in the first round, what like 2 to the 9th which would be 81 teams if he was saying 2 teams per arena. (Correct me on that If I'm wrong, its early)

If you didn't allow rematches when possible you would have to have that many teams for matches going on at the first round for each winner of the 9th.

Edit: small edit on the last sentence.

maybe the teams don't have to be on the same tier then? So if I was on tier 4 i could play a tier 3 and go on to tier 5. That way it would count as getting a number of successive wins against anybody. You lose then you reset. I also think there should be other ways to get the rewards at the end

Well, I think it's an interesting idea, but not sure how many groups you'd see at higher tiers, which make things potentially dicey. Maybe just have the stages, and have them randomly selected when you queue in, add a maelstom-specific currency and give a small amount on a loss, and a larger amount on a win, and allow the currency to be used to buy keys to a chest. The chest could be the same loot table as the vmsa? The issue is you'd get players quickly potato grinding losses to get maelstrom gear. So maybe add a similar system to the PvE version? Eh, I'm sure there are better/more refined ideas out there, but it's interesting to think about.

Sausage · January 2016

I get enough small scale PVP, duels in IC. Its actually quite fun I spent like last couple month in IC and now Im back in Cyrodil, how much my skills have improved.

ShiunTraze · January 2016

Sausage wrote: »

I get enough small scale PVP, duels in IC. Its actually quite fun I spent like last couple month in IC and now Im back in Cyrodil, how much my skills have improved.

npcs in IC though

can be quite annoying

GreenSoup2HoT · January 2016

It's a good idea. However some people actually like maelstrom arena for what it is.

I'd much rather an arena that is similar to maelstrom with it's own reward's and mechanic's. There's a reason when you look at the map of cryodill... in the center there are 2 circle's that are not used. Those are the area's where two new dlc's may end up, 1 being the arena.

People gotta realize this game is a process. It's all been set in stone already. You think Zos did not have arena's in mind from the beginning? They did but they have a release time line. We just gotta wait.

tinythinker · January 2016

They could add a new arena with similar design or a refit of parts of Maelstrom, but it having 8-9 levels is a lot to hope to find competition for. Maybe 3-4 competition levels would work, especially if you didn't get bumped back when you lost (i.e. as long as my group stayed logged in at level 2 we could keep fighting other groups at level 2 rather than going back to level 1).

For a Maelstrom refit, just have it be a 3 or 4 level competition, and have the actual arena setting be random. So you fight level 1 of the 4 person PvP competition but it may be the setting from level 4 from the single player version or maybe the setting from level 8 of the single player version. You could have the PvP option unlock once you beat Maelstrom on non-vet mode (which is very accessible) or vet mode as part of going back to show off more moves as you are invited to do.

Oh, and someone should tag @ZOS_BrianWheeler or someone like that.

Rioht · January 2016

I like the basic idea.. But I think it needs a little tweaking.

Loot needs to be based on performance yes, but that system would cause a gap between the better and worse players to the point that the best loot was only obtainable by better geared players.

If a group of 4 goes in against a better geared group, the better geared group will come away with even better gear, and be that much more difficult to beat. To the point that its not worth the effort for the majority of players.

To prevent this, I would simply impliment a token system (similar to IC trophies) where you got more and more tokens from the arena as you progressed further through the arena.

I. E.

Stage 1: 5 tokens
Stage 2: 15 tokens
Stage 3: 25 tokens
Stage 4: 35 tokens
Stage 5:45 tokens
Stage 6:55 tokens
Stage 7:65 tokens
Stage 8: 75 tokens
Stage 9: 100 tokens

That way, players who didn't have the time to get full vma/ic/trials/pvp gear wouldn't be immediately trumped by the hardcore players and never have a chance to get any better gear.

Additionally, I would love to see this implimented with numerous forms. Specifically, there needs to be a 1v1 format.. As someone who is a frequent player, and have even co created numerous pvp guilds, I still find it difficult to organize and regularly play with groups of players, and the majority of players will find it even more difficult than I do.

Having the option to enter the arena solo would be a great option, especially if I only have an hour or two to play, I don't want to spend 80% of that time finding a group.

Additionally, I am very competitive, and I wouldn't want my success in the arena to be based on the abilities of randoms.. I would prefer to see how I match up against other players head to head.

Further, the rewards for all arena formats need to be the same to prevent players being forced to 4v4 or whatever rather than solo.. Let us decide how we want to spend our time.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · January 2016

So PvPers want a PvP version of maelstrom. Can PvErs have a PvE cyrodiil, without all those PvPers, just more adds?

Or you can just go and do PvE, and do what you don't want to to get the rewards for that, same thing, really. If you want maelstrom weapons, do it the way it's intended

Casdha · January 2016

Sorry I'm awake now 2 to the 9th is 512

me and my lisdexia

CavalierPrime · January 2016

OP's linked video has an F-bomb in the first 3 seconds. Why should we listen to some potty-mouthed millennial with delusions of grandeur?

Hiero_Glyph · January 2016

CavalierPrime wrote: »

OP's linked video has an F-bomb in the first 3 seconds. Why should we listen to some potty-mouthed millennial with delusions of grandeur?

Steve Jobs was a genius regarding product innovation and a completely horrible person to be around. Not all people with good ideas are perfect role models.

Lightninvash · January 2016

what he say there isn't subtitles

CavalierPrime · January 2016

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

CavalierPrime wrote: »

OP's linked video has an F-bomb in the first 3 seconds. Why should we listen to some potty-mouthed millennial with delusions of grandeur?

Steve Jobs was a genius regarding product innovation and a completely horrible person to be around. Not all people with good ideas are perfect role models.

So Sypher is Bill Gates and Deltia is Michael Dell? Got it. Does that mean Brian Wheeler is Alan Turing?

In my opinion, the only time merit trumps a terrible personality is when that person is using that merit to make you money.

Jhunn · January 2016

CavalierPrime wrote: »

OP's linked video has an F-bomb in the first 3 seconds.

.... Mom?

driosketch · January 2016

Guild of 40, off peak hours. 1 team lays down at each tier, taking turns untill everyone has gotten their gear. Back to Cyrodiil.

ShiunTraze · January 2016

Okay...maybe the rewards shouldn't be Maelstrom gear and that should only be accessible through PvE, likewise with Cyrodiil PVP gear. BUT I still think they should do this simply because the arenas are there already, with enjoyable dynamics, and their reward can be alliance points.

ajwest927 · January 2016

That could work, he basically describe how destiny trials work.

CJohnson81 · January 2016

I would love to have a complex tournament system and I don't PVP much for that matter.

I think tournaments could be ESO events! Sign-up, play your matches, get ranked, work your way up the ladder, have a grand championship (no kill mode for people who show up to be spectators). That would be EPIC. Meanwhile, outside you would have crafters of all sorts and a place to use your arena winnings for sweet gear.

Of course there would be titles to earn and new dyes. What's more, it can be season based. Maybe two weeks of ranking, one week of quarter finals, another week of finals and then the Championship. The whole thing then resets and ranking starts all over again.

I know eventually you'll get some guy/gal who totally owns the tournament for a few runs, but man will it be satisfying to take them out someday.

I just played the Thizzrini Arena quests yesterday, so I'm all amped up on this idea.

Hiero_Glyph · January 2016

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

CavalierPrime wrote: »

OP's linked video has an F-bomb in the first 3 seconds. Why should we listen to some potty-mouthed millennial with delusions of grandeur?

Steve Jobs was a genius regarding product innovation and a completely horrible person to be around. Not all people with good ideas are perfect role models.

So Sypher is Bill Gates and Deltia is Michael Dell? Got it. Does that mean Brian Wheeler is Alan Turing?

In my opinion, the only time merit trumps a terrible personality is when that person is using that merit to make you money.

Swearing means that someone has a terrible personality? Get off your high horse. The idea has merit regardless of your character evalution.

Aimora · January 2016

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

So PvPers want a PvP version of maelstrom. Can PvErs have a PvE cyrodiil, without all those PvPers, just more adds?
Or you can just go and do PvE, and do what you don't want to to get the rewards for that, same thing, really. If you want maelstrom weapons, do it the way it's intended

Hehe we have been asking for this for ages

Didgerion · January 2016

Yeah that's a cool way to sell maelstrom weapons as well.

Your team kills 3 out of 4 guys and shout "We give it up for 100k gold".

altemriel · January 2016

ShiunTraze wrote: »

What King Richard suggests is a great idea and I think this should be implemented. It would most definitely encourage me (who has drifted in and out of Cyrodiil every so often) to PvP more in a lag-free environment especially

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPtT84pBTqo

well, that would be interresting for sure, but in case you don`t know

:
yes!!!! dueling and small-scale PVP arenas confirmed!!!
twitch.tv/zenimaxonlinestudios/v/28255517

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/234379/small-scale-pvp-confirmed/p1

altemriel · January 2016

maybe as a PVP option to MA, that would be awesome. And even with a vet and non-vet version. great idea. make a small-scale PVP arena out of it TOO. good

Tankqull · January 2016

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

So PvPers want a PvP version of maelstrom. Can PvErs have a PvE cyrodiil, without all those PvPers, just more adds?
Or you can just go and do PvE, and do what you don't want to to get the rewards for that, same thing, really. If you want maelstrom weapons, do it the way it's intended

these are called buffserveres every alliance got one (atleast on PC EU) so your wish is allready be granted.

Shogunami · January 2016

I'd rather see new content, real PvP content instead of a rehashed arena.
I think this is a fantastically bad idea.

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO · January 2016

I wont. I don't care about arenas ad they sure as hell wont kill cyrodill They've been done to bits in other games and the typical problems with arenas never get resolved.

*When people start losing, they stop queuing.
* People abuse the system and create fake teams on the opposing side and queue up for thrown games just to get the loot, rating, whatever.
* People create one super team which discourages everyone from playing.
* If they create a solo queue, you get guys who queue sync constantly to get on the same team.
* People queue up at offpeak times when queues are dead and abuse the system that way.
* people queue to deliberately grief or troll others. They might go AFK, They might run in and die. They might quit as soon as they get in, etc, etc.
* Blatant class imbalance problems get highlighted and pretty soon everyone runs the exact same build.
* This list goes on and on.

If all these things don't get addressed, arenas will suck horribly. I'd still prefer they fix what they have. We all came here for cyrodill PvP until Zenimax broke it.