Oliumzen wrote: »

Resipsa131 wrote: »

Cloak should be an Assault Skill available to all classes and in its place NB should get a magic based damage shield or any damage shield really.

annulment.

Does not work on physical damage,

MrGigglypants wrote: »

Resipsa131 wrote: »

Cloak should be an Assault Skill available to all classes and in its place NB should get a magic based damage shield or any damage shield really.

Terrible idea. Might as well handout bolt hardened ward gdb bol and anything else worth a damn.

None of those skills you mentioned are indispensable in PvP; You can run a DK that uses obsidian shield or vigor no need for GDB, Stamplars don't use BoL, Sorcs don't have to use Bolt, and Stamina Sorcs don't use Hardened Ward or Frags. MagBlades and Stamblades must use Cloak because they cant stand in the pocket and trade.

Depends how you look at it.

if you aren't a drooler who JUST plays PvP you'll realize its a class that struggles to earn a place in end-game PvE content and thus is balanced.

If you JUST play PvP you'll prolly think it is OP due to the class being built solely around PvP.

Yeah, I said it.

Nightblade is trash for vet dungeons and IDC if you don't wanna take PvE into account but a class can't be OP if its trash at an entire half of the game when the game only has two halves.

Sorc on the other hand is OP, it excels at end-game PvE and competes with NB for dominant class in PvP.

Thus NB is balanced.

Compare a top 1% NB to a top 5% Sorc and EVERYONE will choose the Sorc for a vet dungeon is my point.

NB has no place in end-game content.

Nowhere did I say it can't do end-game content but its out-dps'd by Sorcs and that is the only place it could possibly fill.

I mean lets be real here, 4 man groups of Sorcs can get through vet 16 IC Prison, 4 man groups of NBs can't get past the flesh sculptor.

The only really unbalanced class is Sorc since it excels in PvP AND PvE.

Incorrect.

Going off my logic NB solely has no place in end-game content for PvE since its only worthwhile possible contribution is DPS....which Sorcs blow out of the water easily.

DKs and Templars by default have a place in end-game content due to being tanks and healers.

In short NB and Sorc are competing for the DPS role and Sorc wins by a landslide ontop of being superior in terms of survivability.

Also I meant the vet dungeon imperial city prison not just IC.

I've yet to see any 4 man Nightblade squads get through that dungeon, they always get carried by Sorcs or scrape by with Templars and DKs while once again a 4 man Sorc squad has a decent chance of getting through.

Its not hard to understand really.....Sorcs do DPS better and DPS is the only thing Nightblades are good for in end-game PvE.

I mean DKs are better tanks than NBs and Templars are infinitely better healers than Nightblades.

At the end of the day NB is trash for PvE end-game content, its only picked up for trials and dungeons if they can't find Sorcs.

The class can NOT be unbalanced as a result, its strictly a PvP class.

Why?

Its a class that solely revolves around PvP, nerfing it in PvP would make it unusable as a whole in PvE.

In a perfect world they could nerf something in PvP but not mess it up in PvE but that just doesn't happen.


I don't see whats so hard to understand, its the only class in the game thats sole focus is PvP, every other class does quite well in both with Sorc being the most dominant.

If you're gonna ask for nerfs in PvP give suggestions as to how it could be more of a force to be reckoned with in PvE since if you're gonna make it mediocre in PvP, it can't also be mediocre in PvE still or else you're pretty much saying you want it as a class to be taken out of the game.

when every class gets a spammable that when timed properly negates any single target damage I will say all classes are balanced. that is what dark cloak is right now. alternating dodges and cloaks nightblades mitigate more single target damage then any class. Ive dueled alot of good nightblades and they are the most annoying class to fight against.

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

@arcantonias

Incorrect my good sir.

Dark cloak+dodge roll to negate single target damage.

Just Dark cloak = Crystal frags rek ur face and single target damage moves in general rek ur face.

Single target lock on moves track through cloak so hard such as flying blade.

have you never read patch notes? most recent update to dark cloak was to negate single target damage. I have a nightblade and play every other class as well, with patch notes backing my statements I would say you sir need more exp in this matter.

I have played a Stamblade since the release of ESO on ze xbox one so I may just be a simple plebe but...

I can assure you, crystal frags and single target moves hit constantly through dark cloak unless you dodge roll then insta recloak before they can get another off at you.

I switched from the 100% guaranteed crit with every cloak to a pretty much worthless skill in most circumstances (In PvP at least), I feel.

People overhype dark cloak.

This one has a sneaky suspicion night blades are going to hate the next patch.

The funny thing is that if people actually cared about game balance and not trying to crush classes that they personally prefer not to play. Theyd be calling for buffs of other classes rather than nerfs.

This bandwagon nerf xyz flavor of the month nonsense only serves to hurt the game and the community. The games balance hasnt been this good since launch. NBs are actually a viable class now and the first reaction of the community? Smash it like a bug.

StamSorcs, Tanks and Templars in general need the real attention of the devs. Not the nonsensical hate for MagickaNBs and Stamblades. Neither of them are OP and neither of them are impossible to kill. They rely heavily on particular abilities that can easily be shut down by anyone that cares to learn the strengths and weaknesses of the class and their general builds.

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Incorrect.

Going off my logic NB solely has no place in end-game content for PvE since its only worthwhile possible contribution is DPS....which Sorcs blow out of the water easily.

DKs and Templars by default have a place in end-game content due to being tanks and healers.

In short NB and Sorc are competing for the DPS role and Sorc wins by a landslide ontop of being superior in terms of survivability.

Also I meant the vet dungeon imperial city prison not just IC.

I've yet to see any 4 man Nightblade squads get through that dungeon, they always get carried by Sorcs or scrape by with Templars and DKs while once again a 4 man Sorc squad has a decent chance of getting through.

Its not hard to understand really.....Sorcs do DPS better and DPS is the only thing Nightblades are good for in end-game PvE.

I mean DKs are better tanks than NBs and Templars are infinitely better healers than Nightblades.

At the end of the day NB is trash for PvE end-game content, its only picked up for trials and dungeons if they can't find Sorcs.

The class can NOT be unbalanced as a result, its strictly a PvP class.

I'm sorry but after saying only NB and Sorcs compete with each other in regards of DPS I know that you have no idea whatsoever about competitive end game DPS. Magicka DK has a ridiculous amount of sustained DPS and way more AoE DPS than a sorc. The highest DPS I have ever seen on the Serpent was pulled by a stamina DK. I'm not saying Sorc doesn't have a ridiculous burst DPS, but it's still only limited for around 40-45s in a fight after all which will be not enough for the upcoming trial (I hope).
DKs are a strong tank class, but so are templars and NBs. Those three classes are perfectly capable to tank any content in this game. Probably sorcs as well, have yet to see one though.
Templars are stronger healers, yes, but NB are SUPPORT healers which is a very important role for trials, and usually more than enough healing for any vet dungeon except for IC and WGT.
I've never seen a group of 4 same class players do vIC. But I'm sure it's easily doable with 4 Templars and 4 NBs and a bit harder with 4 DKs. Sorcs have only their shields going for them there, and considering they'll have to take out time of their rotation to refresh shields, they'll lose DPS while NBs can just DPS and heal each other at the same time.

So conclusion, you have no idea what you're talking about considering PvE end game content and you're just trying to sweettalk NB as being a justified strong class for PvP because they are (in your opinion) trash for PvE (which is completely not true). I'm not saying NBs need a nerf in PvP, I like how the class perform and I wish for any other class to be able to perform on a same level (which will never happen unfortunately).

I always love a well done poll, tyvm good sir.