Achieve@Account

Arvendir · January 2016

Agree!

ZOS_GinaBruno · January 2016

Thanks for your feedback on this, everyone. While we understand this is something that many of you would like to see implemented, unfortunately we do not currently have plans to change how achievements are earned. Altering how this works is no small feat, and we are currently focused on fixing Cyrodiil performance and bringing you some really cool, new features for the game. We do appreciate your thoughts on this, though.

As for moderation messaging appearing without an icon on threads, or using a different icon, this is something we can explore for the future.

RAGUNAnoOne · January 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As for moderation messaging appearing without an icon on threads, or using a different icon, this is something we can explore for the future.

1000 awesomes for you if you actually do this! although you already have more than most of us will make in our lifetime... the rich get richer I guess...

nimander99 · January 2016

Certain achievements should be a account bound other character based. WoW has done it, ESO can as well. Unlocks like pets and dyes, skins, mounts etc should all be account wide whether or not the achieve itself is.

Niaver · January 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

we are currently focused on fixing Cyrodiil performance

I hope this is true and we will see the results of this work_soon_.

daemonios · January 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

we do not currently have plans to change how achievements are earned. Altering how this works is no small feat, and we are currently focused on fixing Cyrodiil performance and bringing you some really cool, new features for the game.

Thanks for clarifying, and might I add, I hope you'll stick with the current model for achievements. I think ZOS really need to have their own vision for the game (which for me is clearly character-centred achievements, hence the titles which were originally the only reward), and not swerve left and right according to whichever crowd screams loudest at any given time.

Asherons_Call · January 2016

The only achievement that I believe should be account-wide is the monster trophies due to their rarity and the fact that you can't bank them for your other account characters to pick them up. Between three of my most played characters I have many scattered trophies. If they were consolidated I would be significantly closer to having them all

RAGUNAnoOne · January 2016

Asherons_Call wrote: »

The only achievement that I believe should be account-wide is the monster trophies due to their rarity and the fact that you can't bank them for your other account characters to pick them up. Between three of my most played characters I have many scattered trophies. If they were consolidated I would be significantly closer to having them all

And the fact that nix hounds can only be farmed for late game EP characters in DSA... monster trophies should not be bound to the level difference rule.

Divinius · January 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As for moderation messaging appearing without an icon on threads, or using a different icon, this is something we can explore for the future.

daemonios · January 2016

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Asherons_Call wrote: »

The only achievement that I believe should be account-wide is the monster trophies due to their rarity and the fact that you can't bank them for your other account characters to pick them up. Between three of my most played characters I have many scattered trophies. If they were consolidated I would be significantly closer to having them all

And the fact that nix hounds can only be farmed for late game EP characters in DSA... monster trophies should not be bound to the level difference rule.

Better solution would be to:

- Review the drop rates. While farming my last trophy from Frost Atros, I got no less than 5 trophies from Flame Atros and 2 from Storm Atros, and that's in addition to the ones I'd already received previously; why so much discrepancy? One possibility would be to always force a drop after a given number of kills if the character never got the drop before.
- Review the farmable spots and/or respawn rate. To send players to farm group content for trophies doesn't seem acceptable for me. If necessary, remove level restrictions for collectibles.
- Increase consistency. Right now, some creatures of a given type will drop trophies, others will not. I believe ZOS have stated no trophies will drop in Maelstrom Arena. WHY? Also, Wamasu in West upper Craglorn don't seem to drop buzzing spine, or anything else for that matter. I can't remember the number of times I asked myself after a couple of hours farming a specific mob if for some reason the mobs in that area just didn't drop collectibles.

AngryNord · January 2016

daemonios wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Asherons_Call wrote: »

The only achievement that I believe should be account-wide is the monster trophies due to their rarity and the fact that you can't bank them for your other account characters to pick them up. Between three of my most played characters I have many scattered trophies. If they were consolidated I would be significantly closer to having them all

And the fact that nix hounds can only be farmed for late game EP characters in DSA... monster trophies should not be bound to the level difference rule.

Better solution would be to:

- Review the drop rates. While farming my last trophy from Frost Atros, I got no less than 5 trophies from Flame Atros and 2 from Storm Atros, and that's in addition to the ones I'd already received previously; why so much discrepancy? One possibility would be to always force a drop after a given number of kills if the character never got the drop before.
- Review the farmable spots and/or respawn rate. To send players to farm group content for trophies doesn't seem acceptable for me. If necessary, remove level restrictions for collectibles.
- Increase consistency. Right now, some creatures of a given type will drop trophies, others will not. I believe ZOS have stated no trophies will drop in Maelstrom Arena. WHY? Also, Wamasu in West upper Craglorn don't seem to drop buzzing spine, or anything else for that matter. I can't remember the number of times I asked myself after a couple of hours farming a specific mob if for some reason the mobs in that area just didn't drop collectibles.

Or just make the needed trophies drop even if you kill mobs way under your level? Even now, you can kill level 20 mobs at vet16 and still from time to time get drops of leather or provisioning mats.

daemonios · January 2016

AngryNord wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Asherons_Call wrote: »

The only achievement that I believe should be account-wide is the monster trophies due to their rarity and the fact that you can't bank them for your other account characters to pick them up. Between three of my most played characters I have many scattered trophies. If they were consolidated I would be significantly closer to having them all

And the fact that nix hounds can only be farmed for late game EP characters in DSA... monster trophies should not be bound to the level difference rule.

Better solution would be to:

- Review the drop rates. While farming my last trophy from Frost Atros, I got no less than 5 trophies from Flame Atros and 2 from Storm Atros, and that's in addition to the ones I'd already received previously; why so much discrepancy? One possibility would be to always force a drop after a given number of kills if the character never got the drop before.
- Review the farmable spots and/or respawn rate. To send players to farm group content for trophies doesn't seem acceptable for me. If necessary, remove level restrictions for collectibles.
- Increase consistency. Right now, some creatures of a given type will drop trophies, others will not. I believe ZOS have stated no trophies will drop in Maelstrom Arena. WHY? Also, Wamasu in West upper Craglorn don't seem to drop buzzing spine, or anything else for that matter. I can't remember the number of times I asked myself after a couple of hours farming a specific mob if for some reason the mobs in that area just didn't drop collectibles.

Or just make the needed trophies drop even if you kill mobs way under your level? Even now, you can kill level 20 mobs at vet16 and still from time to time get drops of leather or provisioning mats.

Erm... That sounds like what I wrote: "If necessary, remove level restrictions for collectibles."

nordsavage · January 2016

AlnilamE wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

I wouldn't like it, there's some achievements I don't want on certain characters that I have on other characters. They're individuals, I'd rather keep them that way. My sorcerer would never murder, but my nightblade has a grudge against former Dunmer slavers and taking them out one at a time. I don't want to open my sorc's journal and see the mass murderer achievement, something she never did, or would do, all filled in.

If achievements were account wide you would no longer have to worry about the individual character morals. Think of it like this, @ account earned the achievement not dunmer@account. You take all of the negative stigma away from many achievements at the character level.

But it's also part of their personal development. I like that my NB has the achievement while my sorc doesn't. The variety between characters is interesting and making it attached to the @ account rather than to the character takes away from the character.

Achievements are not what make the character it is the choices you make. Achievements are markers for reaching goals and repeated accolades only serve to cheapen the original.

The choices I make are reflected in those achievements. If you read my post you would see that rather than repeating anything, the opposite is true. I don't want them repeated at all, I want each to be their own character.

When you wrote "I don't want to open my sorc's journal and see the mass murderer achievement, something she never did, or would do, all filled in" it would no longer be your sorcerer's achievement list it would be yours, you as a human player. This is what I am trying to get at. All of us who want a sense of overall completion should not suffer because you make an argonian named "Picks-the-flowers" who only chases gathering achievements.

And people who like earning certain achievements on each alt should not have to suffer because you don't want to earn Tamriel Skyshard Hunter more than once.

Does it really make sense that my AD sorc who is just getting to Grathwood should have the Explorer achievements for the zone because my EP sorc explored all of it as the Gold zone?

I think there should be separate "per character" and "per account" achievemnt lists. If one character gets a certain achievement, then that would show up in the "per character" and the "per account" list, but not on a character that has not earned that.

The exception would have to be for the "kill", "loot" and "gather" achievements where the required number in the "per account" achievement would have to be increased by at least a factor of 3, but that would then track all kill/loot/gather individually as each character does something towards their individual achievement.

I see you pick sky shard hunting and explorer achievements instead of fishing and scamp slaying. Come back when you have spent hours fishing a water type and only caught the last fish you need after 800 bait used, sat on scamp spawns to get 100 kills of two different types with enemy players out to try and kill you (if you do not sit on the spawns you will never get this one because you run into so few playing normally) or spend hundreds of thousands/millions in gold, ridiculous amounts of crowns or countless hours farming/buying motifs. If achievements were account bound from the start you would not have even given it a second thought because that is common place in gaming overall.

nordsavage · January 2016

nimander99 wrote: »

Certain achievements should be a account bound other character based. WoW has done it, ESO can as well. Unlocks like pets and dyes, skins, mounts etc should all be account wide whether or not the achieve itself is.

Having both creates the same issues as just having a character bound system. Achievements are collectables and like all other collectables in the game they should be account wide with no stipulations. If this game had account wide achievements from the beginning I firmly believe that any argument for character based achievements would be virtually nonexistent.

nordsavage · January 2016

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Tandor wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_KaeylaW wrote: »

Hi, everyone.

We understand that people are going to disagree from time to time, but please remember to keep your comments respectful at all times on our forums, even when you disagree with others. Insults, trolling or other disruptive behavior do not help further discussion and can move a thread off topic quickly. We encourage sharing opinions, but we ask that they are constructively stated when doing so, as this will help keep the discussion on track.

Thank you!

I saw the ZOS icon outside this thread and thought it must be another "We understand that people are going to disagree..." kind of unconstructive dev post. Well, here it is.

Account bound achievements has been a hot topic for a long time. Is it really that hard for you to give a direct response no matter what your decision is?

I swear... Of all the things on these forums that I find annoying, the thing that rustles my jimmies the most is seeing the big Zenimax "Z" next to a thread only to find that the only post from any employee is a moderator telling people to "play nice".

Please, Forum Admins, for the sweet love of the Eight Divines... GIVE THE FORUM MODS A DIFFERENT ICON FROM THE ZOS DEVS or something! I really hate wasting my time reading through a thread trying to find the Dev response that I would actually be interested in, just to be TROLLED by a useless post by a forum mod. No offense to the mods themselves, as I know they have a job to do, but this is easily the single most monumentally frustrating thing about these forums (and that's saying a lot, given the sheer amount of crap on these forums).

There's no need to read through the topic, just click on the ZOS icon and it'll take you straight to the post. Then click on the arrow to the right of the ZOS icon on the right edge of the post and it'll take you to the next ZOS post if there is one.

For those who want to discuss the topic of achievements being made account-wide in a constructively open-minded and tolerant way there is an alternative discussion here:-

If you go through the thread this guy obviously starts to try and flame this is a further attempt to get under my skin. Enter his redundant posting at your own risk.

Wollust · January 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

we are currently focused on fixing Cyrodiil performance and bringing you some really cool, new features for the game.

He. Fixing performance. Good to see humor is not lost at the ZoS offices.

Vulsahdaal · January 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

I see you pick sky shard hunting and explorer achievements instead of fishing and scamp slaying. Come back when you have spent hours fishing a water type and only caught the last fish you need after 800 bait used, ....

Well I havent caught that last fish yet, but I expect to somewhere in the not so far future, and btw, I would estimate is was more than a bit over 800 bait I have used to get to this point.
But anyway, to get to my point in posting, what I dont understand is once I have finally caught that last fish and get the master angler achievement, why exactly do I need this to be applied to my other characters (some of which dont fish anyway)?
Is there a special benefit that these other characters lose out on by not having the achievement? I know they have access to the dye, so thats not it.. and it doesnt seem like a completionist thing, because I set out to achieve a goal, and did achieve it. Goal has been completed. So what is the issue I am not seeing here?

nordsavage · January 2016

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

I see you pick sky shard hunting and explorer achievements instead of fishing and scamp slaying. Come back when you have spent hours fishing a water type and only caught the last fish you need after 800 bait used, ....

Well I havent caught that last fish yet, but I expect to somewhere in the not so far future, and btw, I would estimate is was more than a bit over 800 bait I have used to get to this point.
But anyway, to get to my point in posting, what I dont understand is once I have finally caught that last fish and get the master angler achievement, why exactly do I need this to be applied to my other characters (some of which dont fish anyway)?
Is there a special benefit that these other characters lose out on by not having the achievement? I know they have access to the dye, so thats not it.. and it doesnt seem like a completionist thing, because I set out to achieve a goal, and did achieve it. Goal has been completed. So what is the issue I am not seeing here?

At this point I would direct you to read some of the other responses I gave to others and you notably skipped some of the other achievements I mentioned. A few others I would mention are Black Market Mogul, Master of refinement (each of the 3,000 refines needed is 10 raw so 30,000 raw mats and I thought this use to be more), and Tamriel Adventurer when you have more than a few keeper alts.

Vulsahdaal · January 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

I see you pick sky shard hunting and explorer achievements instead of fishing and scamp slaying. Come back when you have spent hours fishing a water type and only caught the last fish you need after 800 bait used, ....

Well I havent caught that last fish yet, but I expect to somewhere in the not so far future, and btw, I would estimate is was more than a bit over 800 bait I have used to get to this point.
But anyway, to get to my point in posting, what I dont understand is once I have finally caught that last fish and get the master angler achievement, why exactly do I need this to be applied to my other characters (some of which dont fish anyway)?
Is there a special benefit that these other characters lose out on by not having the achievement? I know they have access to the dye, so thats not it.. and it doesnt seem like a completionist thing, because I set out to achieve a goal, and did achieve it. Goal has been completed. So what is the issue I am not seeing here?

At this point I would direct you to read some of the other responses I gave to others and you notably skipped some of the other achievements I mentioned.

Yes, I guess I did, most likely only for the reason that fishing is one of my main focus ones right now.

nordsavage wrote: »

A few others I would mention are Black Market Mogul, Master of refinement (each of the 3,000 refines needed is 10 raw so 30,000 raw mats and I thought this use to be more), and Tamriel Adventurer when you have more than a few keeper alts.

Yep, been working on these as well, Im at approx 55,000 mark at Black Market Mogul, probably making decent progress towards the others, though dont know even an approx number offhand..but again, as far as I know, I believe these are rewarded with a dye (and Im not even sure all of them are) that other characters will have access to anyway, so why do I need my alts to have the achievement as well?
They can already share in the reward (if I wish them to) so what else is there to gain? Also, the mention of Black Market Mogul, which my very active Imperial thief has been working on, really gets me thinking that I do not want my very honest and caring Nord sorc girl being branded with it. He would probably consider as a sort of badge of honor, but to her it would be a source of shame..

Wolfshead · January 2016

Also make achievement account bound well make ESO more alt friendly as well for as it now people tend to stay on high lvl char for the put to much effort in get achievement done on them and idea of need to start over again with achievement is not funny idea.

Volkodav · January 2016

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

If they are not already, dyes should be account bound as well as it is merely cosmetic. However, I do not think that skill lines or ranks should be account bound. Each alt should earn its' own.

Dyes are account wide.

Grunim · January 2016

I remember one ESO Live when they mentioned that they were thinking of having achievements provide some other benefit that they don't currently provide. As a lover of alts, I worry about the Devs providing new perks that are based on achievement points because they are currently character based and not account based. If they implement anything like that, I would like it done in a way that looks at what someone has accomplished on their account as a whole.

After all, some of us have been playing multiple characters since the beginning with the understanding that achievement points were for cosmetic awards (dyes and titles) only.

Volkodav · January 2016

Actually,since achievements do nothing,why worry if you dont want to do them on alts.Just dont do them.Having said that,there are some achievements that give dyes.And dyes are account wide.So it doesnt really matter.

Grunim · January 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

Actually,since achievements do nothing,why worry if you dont want to do them on alts.Just dont do them.Having said that,there are some achievements that give dyes.And dyes are account wide.So it doesnt really matter.

Well yes, that's how it's been since the game launched and as the game stands right now, I agree it that it doesn't really matter. But, there was an ESO Live episode where they said they were thinking of having achievements be more meaningful than they currently are now. I would feel better knowing if the Devs plan to not forget the accomplishments of those of us who spread our achievements across our various characters.

Volkodav · January 2016

Grunim wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Actually,since achievements do nothing,why worry if you dont want to do them on alts.Just dont do them.Having said that,there are some achievements that give dyes.And dyes are account wide.So it doesnt really matter.

Well yes, that's how it's been since the game launched and as the game stands right now, I agree it that it doesn't really matter. But, there was an ESO Live episode where they said they were thinking of having achievements be more meaningful than they currently are now. I would feel better knowing if the Devs plan to not forget the accomplishments of those of us who spread our achievements across our various characters.

I've been doing achievements with every character,so,for me it's fine,but I understand what you are saying. :}

nordsavage · January 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

Grunim wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Actually,since achievements do nothing,why worry if you dont want to do them on alts.Just dont do them.Having said that,there are some achievements that give dyes.And dyes are account wide.So it doesnt really matter.

Well yes, that's how it's been since the game launched and as the game stands right now, I agree it that it doesn't really matter. But, there was an ESO Live episode where they said they were thinking of having achievements be more meaningful than they currently are now. I would feel better knowing if the Devs plan to not forget the accomplishments of those of us who spread our achievements across our various characters.

I've been doing achievements with every character,so,for me it's fine,but I understand what you are saying. :}

Bulk campaign and minor action ones I am sure.

nordsavage · January 2016

Another note for those that think they will eventually play catch up on all their alts. With so many achievements taking weeks and months to get eventually we will reach the point where this will not be possible if we are not there already. As more and more DLC comes out so will more and more achievements and if the ones out are any example some will have ridiculous parameters for completion.

Volkodav · January 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Grunim wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Actually,since achievements do nothing,why worry if you dont want to do them on alts.Just dont do them.Having said that,there are some achievements that give dyes.And dyes are account wide.So it doesnt really matter.

Well yes, that's how it's been since the game launched and as the game stands right now, I agree it that it doesn't really matter. But, there was an ESO Live episode where they said they were thinking of having achievements be more meaningful than they currently are now. I would feel better knowing if the Devs plan to not forget the accomplishments of those of us who spread our achievements across our various characters.

I've been doing achievements with every character,so,for me it's fine,but I understand what you are saying. :}

Bulk campaign and minor action ones I am sure.

Your point? None.

nordsavage · January 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Grunim wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Actually,since achievements do nothing,why worry if you dont want to do them on alts.Just dont do them.Having said that,there are some achievements that give dyes.And dyes are account wide.So it doesnt really matter.

Well yes, that's how it's been since the game launched and as the game stands right now, I agree it that it doesn't really matter. But, there was an ESO Live episode where they said they were thinking of having achievements be more meaningful than they currently are now. I would feel better knowing if the Devs plan to not forget the accomplishments of those of us who spread our achievements across our various characters.

I've been doing achievements with every character,so,for me it's fine,but I understand what you are saying. :}

Bulk campaign and minor action ones I am sure.

Your point? None.

My point is you cannot really call it collecting if you only go after the ones you get just for playing the basics. I bought a pack of gum that came with a baseball card when I was a kid did that make me a sports memorabilia collector?

Volkodav · January 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Grunim wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Actually,since achievements do nothing,why worry if you dont want to do them on alts.Just dont do them.Having said that,there are some achievements that give dyes.And dyes are account wide.So it doesnt really matter.

Well yes, that's how it's been since the game launched and as the game stands right now, I agree it that it doesn't really matter. But, there was an ESO Live episode where they said they were thinking of having achievements be more meaningful than they currently are now. I would feel better knowing if the Devs plan to not forget the accomplishments of those of us who spread our achievements across our various characters.

I've been doing achievements with every character,so,for me it's fine,but I understand what you are saying. :}

Bulk campaign and minor action ones I am sure.

Your point? None.

My point is you cannot really call it collecting if you only go after the ones you get just for playing the basics.

I can go for any achievements I wish to.Have you forgotten the meaning of the word "collect"?
It means to gather things you like,to aquire several OR many things that please one.
It doesnt mean you HAVE to gather what someone else says you do. I dont go for any campaigns,and if the ones I enjoy gaining are minor action ones,that's my business.It's rude of you to indicate that they are trivial,though you didnt use that particular word.