Achieve@Account

Ziaka · January 2016

As someone with 5 characters I fully support any improvements which to unify & encourage more character aspects to be shared among all my characters. In its current state ESO punishes you for having alts. The game would be far more accessible and much more enjoyable if I could switch to an alt and continue progressing my main.

Daraugh · January 2016

I wouldn't like it, there's some achievements I don't want on certain characters that I have on other characters. They're individuals, I'd rather keep them that way. My sorcerer would never murder, but my nightblade has a grudge against former Dunmer slavers and taking them out one at a time. I don't want to open my sorc's journal and see the mass murderer achievement, something she never did, or would do, all filled in.

alkodav · January 2016

It's one of my biggest dream about eso) Hundreds hours for fishing, collecting monstrous items, selling stealing items for 1kk - i'll never do it again... And this is really stop me to play other characters except main. Also account wide achievements are the great ground for new ones - like "make and max char for all alliance" or "make and max char for all races" etc... sorry for my english, but i had to write it)

Solariken · January 2016

SirAndy wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

I've actually asked about this a couple times in their "Ask Us Anything" thread and have been completely ignored.

To be fair, their thread isn't called "We Will Answer Anything" ...

Yeah, but it's a perfectly valid question with no reason not to answer it, especially when they choose BS questions like "do you prefer cake or pie?" over legitimate ones like this. |:<

Solariken · January 2016

BabeestorGor wrote: »

I'd certainly support separate bank accounts for each character,no cross-faction trading between characters on the same account, and CP being individual to the character.

I play characters not accounts and I'd rather achievements were earned by characters. Funny how the self-declared hardcore collector wants easy mode.

This isn't a issue where he/we want "easy mode" - choosing to play alts, even casually, likely means sacrificing the ability to earn achievements in a meaningful way. I play avatars, not characters, so I very much want an account based achievement system. However, I would like one that puts a stamp on each achievement you earn that notes the date and character who earned the achievement.

nordsavage · January 2016

Daraugh wrote: »

I wouldn't like it, there's some achievements I don't want on certain characters that I have on other characters. They're individuals, I'd rather keep them that way. My sorcerer would never murder, but my nightblade has a grudge against former Dunmer slavers and taking them out one at a time. I don't want to open my sorc's journal and see the mass murderer achievement, something she never did, or would do, all filled in.

If achievements were account wide you would no longer have to worry about the individual character morals. Think of it like this, @ account earned the achievement not dunmer@account. You take all of the negative stigma away from many achievements at the character level.

nordsavage · January 2016

Tandor wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

DDemon wrote: »

I personally don't really care too much about achievements, but I see no reason why not to do this.

Some people seem to think this would take away the initiative to make alt characters, which kind of doesn't make sense. It actually promotes making more characters, as their progress is shared.

It benefits those whose sole purpose in creating more characters is to have endgame alts with the minimum time necessary to advance them to that stage, but it disadvantages those whose sole purpose in creating more characters is to take their time leveling alts through the game because they enjoy the journey and all it has to offer. Sure they can still do those achievements, but it removes any sense of satisfaction from doing so when they're already credited with them from another character's collection.

It also disadvantages those who take the role-play aspect of MMORPGs seriously. Someone who wants a warrior-type character to avoid all Mages Guild content will find that character has all the Mages Guild achievements anyway, because his mage-type character got them - and that character is similarly going to receive all the Fighters Guild achievements the warrior-type character got even tho' he has had no involvement with the Fighters Guild.

The same could be said that having alts with gaps in their history is less satisfying than one complete history. Very, very few if any will go beyond getting the bulk achievements repeatedly. Nobody is going to scamp farm or master angler for weeks then buy or earn all the motif chapters for across all alts. As far as the campaign bronze, silvers and gold goes most will stop doing them after their second or third time through. So unless you intend to complete all achievements across all alts then account wide is the only way to go here.

Under the existing system you can get all the achievements on one character and then be more relaxed about getting them all on your other characters. You will still get the satisfaction of completing those you do get on them, and it adds to both the purpose and fun of leveling up them up. Under your proposal, once you've got all of the achievements once, whether on one character or more easily on more than one, that's it. There's no benefit to doing them on your other characters and the enjoyment of leveling them is reduced accordingly.

I don't for a moment expect to get all the achievements on all my characters, but I do want the opportunity to do achievements on all of them, and in a meaningful way. It's a significant part of leveling them through the game, and I don't want it trivialised by having it all shared between them. By and large I don't have a main character in MMOs, I have a number of characters who are all equally important and enjoyable to me. It's how I enjoy playing the game, and as you indicated in #59 in relation to another aspect of playing the game - " I do not care for role play but if that is how someone wants to spend their game time I leave it be as I understand it is how they enjoy the game." There's a good case to be made for leaving achievements be, as that is how a lot of us enjoy the game. Hold a different view by all means, but you might at least respect our view as you do that of role-players, rather than insulting us.

If you think I was insulting maybe you are just thin skinned. Again all of you who are against account wide achivements are the minority. To re-quote what I told another poster "Do you realize that character based achievements in games and among platforms is miniscule. By default account wide achievements are considered proper, common and are expected. By default you are the extreme minority. How dare I ask for what is expected from a game." Feel free to read the entire interaction between that poster and myself for the full context. As for "trivialized" repetition and over abundance is what makes something trivial.

The other poster you said that too was actually me, and it makes as little sense now as it did then.

I'm not remotely thin-skinned, the point about you insulting people was based on the fact that quite apart from calling people names you're basically attacking in a pretty patronising way anyone who has the temerity to disagree with your original post, to the point of telling them "this thread is not for you". You constantly make unsubstantiated assumptions as to the popularity of your opinion. Fortunately, there's no suggestion that ZOS agree with you. Hopefully achievements will remain character-specific as at present with no further dumbing down of the game. I suggest we agree to disagree on that.

Take the time to play more than one game and what I say will make some sense. It was pretty self explanatory. You are either simple or flaming at this point especially if you said you were done here. Go ahead and tell me what is unsubstantiated and I will prove anything I mentioned. I do not just talk out of my ass and yeah, if you are casual or not interested in achievements then your opinion really should not matter or should matter less. Tell me what communities you are a part or for collecting and other experiences you have that makes your point anymore valid than mine. This is my thread and I will defend my view post for post as I see fit. You just want to drop the last word and "constantly make assumptions as the popularity of your opinion". I suggest you quit being petty. What you call dumbed down I call streamlined. I can see you sitting in your darkened basement paying Morrowind growling about how Skyrim was "dumbed down" ha ha, you are that guy huh?. Sorry you got your feelings hurt but you will not sway me off course.

Volkadav has dealt with the point about substantiation.

I have never claimed my point is more valid than yours, I have merely rejected your notion that your opinion is more valid than mine. Take your comment about this topic ("this is my thread"), it is not yours, you initiated it but you don't own it and you don't control it or have the ultimate say over those who contribute to it. This is a discussion board where people express their different opinions with equal entitlement and validity.

I am not the basement dwelling Morrowind player you describe, although I have played that game along with the other TES games and many other computer games since 1983, having also written about games, tested games both publicly and privately for developers, and had my own game published so I've been around gaming a while and have been a "collector" in many games during that time. Come to think of it, I did live briefly in a basement early on in my career some 40 years ago but we didn't have computers then !

The simple point is that in relation to all who contribute to this topic, each opinion is as valid as the next one. Some want a change because it will further their enjoyment of the game, others oppose such a change because it will spoil their enjoyment of the game. Both are equally valid views given the different approaches adopted to the game.

Look at you. You cannot stand to let it go. You want to say I am calling you all sorts of "insults" but you fail to realize that you do the same. You think I am arrogant and condescending I think you are dimwitted and petty. We are similar except I am blunt and you are passive aggressive and to me being passive aggressive is a form of cowardice. So keep coming on here with your circular arguments and continued need to have the last word. You are a walking forum bump and will only give my thread more hang time. I am done with you trying to flame me into more arguments to shut this thread down. You are out voted on this thread and in the overall standard of account wide achievements in gaming. Peace Nephew.

Daraugh · January 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

I wouldn't like it, there's some achievements I don't want on certain characters that I have on other characters. They're individuals, I'd rather keep them that way. My sorcerer would never murder, but my nightblade has a grudge against former Dunmer slavers and taking them out one at a time. I don't want to open my sorc's journal and see the mass murderer achievement, something she never did, or would do, all filled in.

If achievements were account wide you would no longer have to worry about the individual character morals. Think of it like this, @ account earned the achievement not dunmer@account. You take all of the negative stigma away from many achievements at the character level.

But it's also part of their personal development. I like that my NB has the achievement while my sorc doesn't. The variety between characters is interesting and making it attached to the @ account rather than to the character takes away from the character.

Tandor · January 2016

Daraugh wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

I wouldn't like it, there's some achievements I don't want on certain characters that I have on other characters. They're individuals, I'd rather keep them that way. My sorcerer would never murder, but my nightblade has a grudge against former Dunmer slavers and taking them out one at a time. I don't want to open my sorc's journal and see the mass murderer achievement, something she never did, or would do, all filled in.

If achievements were account wide you would no longer have to worry about the individual character morals. Think of it like this, @ account earned the achievement not dunmer@account. You take all of the negative stigma away from many achievements at the character level.

But it's also part of their personal development. I like that my NB has the achievement while my sorc doesn't. The variety between characters is interesting and making it attached to the @ account rather than to the character takes away from the character.

That's the same with me. One of my templars is very much a holy paladin figure, there's no question of him getting caught up in the Justice System achievements as a thief or murderer.

I can understand that some people don't want to grind the achievements multiple times, but they don't have to. The present system allows them to achieve maximum satisfaction from collecting all the achievements on one character (more so than if the collection was diluted by being spread around all the characters on the account) and then they can pick and choose whether or not they go for the achievements on any alts. Meanwhile, those who want to get certain achievements on one character but not another have the freedom to do so without any one character being saddled with unwanted achievements that were earned by other characters. The system was designed this way, and I have yet to see any reasoned argument to change it beyond "it's too much of a grind to do it more than once" - to which the answer is not to do it more than once if you don't want to.

Tandor · January 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

DDemon wrote: »

I personally don't really care too much about achievements, but I see no reason why not to do this.

Some people seem to think this would take away the initiative to make alt characters, which kind of doesn't make sense. It actually promotes making more characters, as their progress is shared.

It benefits those whose sole purpose in creating more characters is to have endgame alts with the minimum time necessary to advance them to that stage, but it disadvantages those whose sole purpose in creating more characters is to take their time leveling alts through the game because they enjoy the journey and all it has to offer. Sure they can still do those achievements, but it removes any sense of satisfaction from doing so when they're already credited with them from another character's collection.

It also disadvantages those who take the role-play aspect of MMORPGs seriously. Someone who wants a warrior-type character to avoid all Mages Guild content will find that character has all the Mages Guild achievements anyway, because his mage-type character got them - and that character is similarly going to receive all the Fighters Guild achievements the warrior-type character got even tho' he has had no involvement with the Fighters Guild.

The same could be said that having alts with gaps in their history is less satisfying than one complete history. Very, very few if any will go beyond getting the bulk achievements repeatedly. Nobody is going to scamp farm or master angler for weeks then buy or earn all the motif chapters for across all alts. As far as the campaign bronze, silvers and gold goes most will stop doing them after their second or third time through. So unless you intend to complete all achievements across all alts then account wide is the only way to go here.

Under the existing system you can get all the achievements on one character and then be more relaxed about getting them all on your other characters. You will still get the satisfaction of completing those you do get on them, and it adds to both the purpose and fun of leveling up them up. Under your proposal, once you've got all of the achievements once, whether on one character or more easily on more than one, that's it. There's no benefit to doing them on your other characters and the enjoyment of leveling them is reduced accordingly.

I don't for a moment expect to get all the achievements on all my characters, but I do want the opportunity to do achievements on all of them, and in a meaningful way. It's a significant part of leveling them through the game, and I don't want it trivialised by having it all shared between them. By and large I don't have a main character in MMOs, I have a number of characters who are all equally important and enjoyable to me. It's how I enjoy playing the game, and as you indicated in #59 in relation to another aspect of playing the game - " I do not care for role play but if that is how someone wants to spend their game time I leave it be as I understand it is how they enjoy the game." There's a good case to be made for leaving achievements be, as that is how a lot of us enjoy the game. Hold a different view by all means, but you might at least respect our view as you do that of role-players, rather than insulting us.

If you think I was insulting maybe you are just thin skinned. Again all of you who are against account wide achivements are the minority. To re-quote what I told another poster "Do you realize that character based achievements in games and among platforms is miniscule. By default account wide achievements are considered proper, common and are expected. By default you are the extreme minority. How dare I ask for what is expected from a game." Feel free to read the entire interaction between that poster and myself for the full context. As for "trivialized" repetition and over abundance is what makes something trivial.

The other poster you said that too was actually me, and it makes as little sense now as it did then.

I'm not remotely thin-skinned, the point about you insulting people was based on the fact that quite apart from calling people names you're basically attacking in a pretty patronising way anyone who has the temerity to disagree with your original post, to the point of telling them "this thread is not for you". You constantly make unsubstantiated assumptions as to the popularity of your opinion. Fortunately, there's no suggestion that ZOS agree with you. Hopefully achievements will remain character-specific as at present with no further dumbing down of the game. I suggest we agree to disagree on that.

Take the time to play more than one game and what I say will make some sense. It was pretty self explanatory. You are either simple or flaming at this point especially if you said you were done here. Go ahead and tell me what is unsubstantiated and I will prove anything I mentioned. I do not just talk out of my ass and yeah, if you are casual or not interested in achievements then your opinion really should not matter or should matter less. Tell me what communities you are a part or for collecting and other experiences you have that makes your point anymore valid than mine. This is my thread and I will defend my view post for post as I see fit. You just want to drop the last word and "constantly make assumptions as the popularity of your opinion". I suggest you quit being petty. What you call dumbed down I call streamlined. I can see you sitting in your darkened basement paying Morrowind growling about how Skyrim was "dumbed down" ha ha, you are that guy huh?. Sorry you got your feelings hurt but you will not sway me off course.

Volkadav has dealt with the point about substantiation.

I have never claimed my point is more valid than yours, I have merely rejected your notion that your opinion is more valid than mine. Take your comment about this topic ("this is my thread"), it is not yours, you initiated it but you don't own it and you don't control it or have the ultimate say over those who contribute to it. This is a discussion board where people express their different opinions with equal entitlement and validity.

I am not the basement dwelling Morrowind player you describe, although I have played that game along with the other TES games and many other computer games since 1983, having also written about games, tested games both publicly and privately for developers, and had my own game published so I've been around gaming a while and have been a "collector" in many games during that time. Come to think of it, I did live briefly in a basement early on in my career some 40 years ago but we didn't have computers then !

The simple point is that in relation to all who contribute to this topic, each opinion is as valid as the next one. Some want a change because it will further their enjoyment of the game, others oppose such a change because it will spoil their enjoyment of the game. Both are equally valid views given the different approaches adopted to the game.

Look at you. You cannot stand to let it go. You want to say I am calling you all sorts of "insults" but you fail to realize that you do the same. You think I am arrogant and condescending I think you are dimwitted and petty. We are similar except I am blunt and you are passive aggressive and to me being passive aggressive is a form of cowardice. So keep coming on here with your circular arguments and continued need to have the last word. You are a walking forum bump and will only give my thread more hang time. I am done with you trying to flame me into more arguments to shut this thread down. You are out voted on this thread and in the overall standard of account wide achievements in gaming. Peace Nephew.

He,y it's a discussion board, I'm just having a discussion, sometimes with you and sometimes with others. As for having the last word, I suggested we agree to disagree on this but you didn't like that so on we go. Feel free to drop out at any time

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nordsavage · January 2016

Tandor wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

I wouldn't like it, there's some achievements I don't want on certain characters that I have on other characters. They're individuals, I'd rather keep them that way. My sorcerer would never murder, but my nightblade has a grudge against former Dunmer slavers and taking them out one at a time. I don't want to open my sorc's journal and see the mass murderer achievement, something she never did, or would do, all filled in.

If achievements were account wide you would no longer have to worry about the individual character morals. Think of it like this, @ account earned the achievement not dunmer@account. You take all of the negative stigma away from many achievements at the character level.

But it's also part of their personal development. I like that my NB has the achievement while my sorc doesn't. The variety between characters is interesting and making it attached to the @ account rather than to the character takes away from the character.

He,y it's a discussion board, I'm just having a discussion, sometimes with you and sometimes with others. As for having the last word, I suggested we agree to disagree on this but you didn't like that so on we go. Feel free to drop out at any time !
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This target is too powerful for that effect.

Volkodav · January 2016

Tandor wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

DDemon wrote: »

I personally don't really care too much about achievements, but I see no reason why not to do this.

Some people seem to think this would take away the initiative to make alt characters, which kind of doesn't make sense. It actually promotes making more characters, as their progress is shared.

It benefits those whose sole purpose in creating more characters is to have endgame alts with the minimum time necessary to advance them to that stage, but it disadvantages those whose sole purpose in creating more characters is to take their time leveling alts through the game because they enjoy the journey and all it has to offer. Sure they can still do those achievements, but it removes any sense of satisfaction from doing so when they're already credited with them from another character's collection.

It also disadvantages those who take the role-play aspect of MMORPGs seriously. Someone who wants a warrior-type character to avoid all Mages Guild content will find that character has all the Mages Guild achievements anyway, because his mage-type character got them - and that character is similarly going to receive all the Fighters Guild achievements the warrior-type character got even tho' he has had no involvement with the Fighters Guild.

The same could be said that having alts with gaps in their history is less satisfying than one complete history. Very, very few if any will go beyond getting the bulk achievements repeatedly. Nobody is going to scamp farm or master angler for weeks then buy or earn all the motif chapters for across all alts. As far as the campaign bronze, silvers and gold goes most will stop doing them after their second or third time through. So unless you intend to complete all achievements across all alts then account wide is the only way to go here.

Under the existing system you can get all the achievements on one character and then be more relaxed about getting them all on your other characters. You will still get the satisfaction of completing those you do get on them, and it adds to both the purpose and fun of leveling up them up. Under your proposal, once you've got all of the achievements once, whether on one character or more easily on more than one, that's it. There's no benefit to doing them on your other characters and the enjoyment of leveling them is reduced accordingly.

I don't for a moment expect to get all the achievements on all my characters, but I do want the opportunity to do achievements on all of them, and in a meaningful way. It's a significant part of leveling them through the game, and I don't want it trivialised by having it all shared between them. By and large I don't have a main character in MMOs, I have a number of characters who are all equally important and enjoyable to me. It's how I enjoy playing the game, and as you indicated in #59 in relation to another aspect of playing the game - " I do not care for role play but if that is how someone wants to spend their game time I leave it be as I understand it is how they enjoy the game." There's a good case to be made for leaving achievements be, as that is how a lot of us enjoy the game. Hold a different view by all means, but you might at least respect our view as you do that of role-players, rather than insulting us.

If you think I was insulting maybe you are just thin skinned. Again all of you who are against account wide achivements are the minority. To re-quote what I told another poster "Do you realize that character based achievements in games and among platforms is miniscule. By default account wide achievements are considered proper, common and are expected. By default you are the extreme minority. How dare I ask for what is expected from a game." Feel free to read the entire interaction between that poster and myself for the full context. As for "trivialized" repetition and over abundance is what makes something trivial.

The other poster you said that too was actually me, and it makes as little sense now as it did then.

I'm not remotely thin-skinned, the point about you insulting people was based on the fact that quite apart from calling people names you're basically attacking in a pretty patronising way anyone who has the temerity to disagree with your original post, to the point of telling them "this thread is not for you". You constantly make unsubstantiated assumptions as to the popularity of your opinion. Fortunately, there's no suggestion that ZOS agree with you. Hopefully achievements will remain character-specific as at present with no further dumbing down of the game. I suggest we agree to disagree on that.

Take the time to play more than one game and what I say will make some sense. It was pretty self explanatory. You are either simple or flaming at this point especially if you said you were done here. Go ahead and tell me what is unsubstantiated and I will prove anything I mentioned. I do not just talk out of my ass and yeah, if you are casual or not interested in achievements then your opinion really should not matter or should matter less. Tell me what communities you are a part or for collecting and other experiences you have that makes your point anymore valid than mine. This is my thread and I will defend my view post for post as I see fit. You just want to drop the last word and "constantly make assumptions as the popularity of your opinion". I suggest you quit being petty. What you call dumbed down I call streamlined. I can see you sitting in your darkened basement paying Morrowind growling about how Skyrim was "dumbed down" ha ha, you are that guy huh?. Sorry you got your feelings hurt but you will not sway me off course.

Volkadav has dealt with the point about substantiation.

I have never claimed my point is more valid than yours, I have merely rejected your notion that your opinion is more valid than mine. Take your comment about this topic ("this is my thread"), it is not yours, you initiated it but you don't own it and you don't control it or have the ultimate say over those who contribute to it. This is a discussion board where people express their different opinions with equal entitlement and validity.

I am not the basement dwelling Morrowind player you describe, although I have played that game along with the other TES games and many other computer games since 1983, having also written about games, tested games both publicly and privately for developers, and had my own game published so I've been around gaming a while and have been a "collector" in many games during that time. Come to think of it, I did live briefly in a basement early on in my career some 40 years ago but we didn't have computers then !

The simple point is that in relation to all who contribute to this topic, each opinion is as valid as the next one. Some want a change because it will further their enjoyment of the game, others oppose such a change because it will spoil their enjoyment of the game. Both are equally valid views given the different approaches adopted to the game.

Look at you. You cannot stand to let it go. You want to say I am calling you all sorts of "insults" but you fail to realize that you do the same. You think I am arrogant and condescending I think you are dimwitted and petty. We are similar except I am blunt and you are passive aggressive and to me being passive aggressive is a form of cowardice. So keep coming on here with your circular arguments and continued need to have the last word. You are a walking forum bump and will only give my thread more hang time. I am done with you trying to flame me into more arguments to shut this thread down. You are out voted on this thread and in the overall standard of account wide achievements in gaming. Peace Nephew.

He,y it's a discussion board, I'm just having a discussion, sometimes with you and sometimes with others. As for having the last word, I suggested we agree to disagree on this but you didn't like that so on we go. Feel free to drop out at any time !

You notice that the OP didnt answer me when I asked for substantiation for his claims.He cant give it. It's just something he said for his thread to seem valid.
I'd really rather keep separate achievements for each character.

nordsavage · January 2016

Daraugh wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

I wouldn't like it, there's some achievements I don't want on certain characters that I have on other characters. They're individuals, I'd rather keep them that way. My sorcerer would never murder, but my nightblade has a grudge against former Dunmer slavers and taking them out one at a time. I don't want to open my sorc's journal and see the mass murderer achievement, something she never did, or would do, all filled in.

If achievements were account wide you would no longer have to worry about the individual character morals. Think of it like this, @ account earned the achievement not dunmer@account. You take all of the negative stigma away from many achievements at the character level.

But it's also part of their personal development. I like that my NB has the achievement while my sorc doesn't. The variety between characters is interesting and making it attached to the @ account rather than to the character takes away from the character.

Achievements are not what make the character it is the choices you make. Achievements are markers for reaching goals and repeated accolades only serve to cheapen the original.

nordsavage · January 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

DDemon wrote: »

I personally don't really care too much about achievements, but I see no reason why not to do this.

Some people seem to think this would take away the initiative to make alt characters, which kind of doesn't make sense. It actually promotes making more characters, as their progress is shared.

It benefits those whose sole purpose in creating more characters is to have endgame alts with the minimum time necessary to advance them to that stage, but it disadvantages those whose sole purpose in creating more characters is to take their time leveling alts through the game because they enjoy the journey and all it has to offer. Sure they can still do those achievements, but it removes any sense of satisfaction from doing so when they're already credited with them from another character's collection.

It also disadvantages those who take the role-play aspect of MMORPGs seriously. Someone who wants a warrior-type character to avoid all Mages Guild content will find that character has all the Mages Guild achievements anyway, because his mage-type character got them - and that character is similarly going to receive all the Fighters Guild achievements the warrior-type character got even tho' he has had no involvement with the Fighters Guild.

The same could be said that having alts with gaps in their history is less satisfying than one complete history. Very, very few if any will go beyond getting the bulk achievements repeatedly. Nobody is going to scamp farm or master angler for weeks then buy or earn all the motif chapters for across all alts. As far as the campaign bronze, silvers and gold goes most will stop doing them after their second or third time through. So unless you intend to complete all achievements across all alts then account wide is the only way to go here.

Under the existing system you can get all the achievements on one character and then be more relaxed about getting them all on your other characters. You will still get the satisfaction of completing those you do get on them, and it adds to both the purpose and fun of leveling up them up. Under your proposal, once you've got all of the achievements once, whether on one character or more easily on more than one, that's it. There's no benefit to doing them on your other characters and the enjoyment of leveling them is reduced accordingly.

I don't for a moment expect to get all the achievements on all my characters, but I do want the opportunity to do achievements on all of them, and in a meaningful way. It's a significant part of leveling them through the game, and I don't want it trivialised by having it all shared between them. By and large I don't have a main character in MMOs, I have a number of characters who are all equally important and enjoyable to me. It's how I enjoy playing the game, and as you indicated in #59 in relation to another aspect of playing the game - " I do not care for role play but if that is how someone wants to spend their game time I leave it be as I understand it is how they enjoy the game." There's a good case to be made for leaving achievements be, as that is how a lot of us enjoy the game. Hold a different view by all means, but you might at least respect our view as you do that of role-players, rather than insulting us.

If you think I was insulting maybe you are just thin skinned. Again all of you who are against account wide achivements are the minority. To re-quote what I told another poster "Do you realize that character based achievements in games and among platforms is miniscule. By default account wide achievements are considered proper, common and are expected. By default you are the extreme minority. How dare I ask for what is expected from a game." Feel free to read the entire interaction between that poster and myself for the full context. As for "trivialized" repetition and over abundance is what makes something trivial.

The other poster you said that too was actually me, and it makes as little sense now as it did then.

I'm not remotely thin-skinned, the point about you insulting people was based on the fact that quite apart from calling people names you're basically attacking in a pretty patronising way anyone who has the temerity to disagree with your original post, to the point of telling them "this thread is not for you". You constantly make unsubstantiated assumptions as to the popularity of your opinion. Fortunately, there's no suggestion that ZOS agree with you. Hopefully achievements will remain character-specific as at present with no further dumbing down of the game. I suggest we agree to disagree on that.

Take the time to play more than one game and what I say will make some sense. It was pretty self explanatory. You are either simple or flaming at this point especially if you said you were done here. Go ahead and tell me what is unsubstantiated and I will prove anything I mentioned. I do not just talk out of my ass and yeah, if you are casual or not interested in achievements then your opinion really should not matter or should matter less. Tell me what communities you are a part or for collecting and other experiences you have that makes your point anymore valid than mine. This is my thread and I will defend my view post for post as I see fit. You just want to drop the last word and "constantly make assumptions as the popularity of your opinion". I suggest you quit being petty. What you call dumbed down I call streamlined. I can see you sitting in your darkened basement paying Morrowind growling about how Skyrim was "dumbed down" ha ha, you are that guy huh?. Sorry you got your feelings hurt but you will not sway me off course.

Volkadav has dealt with the point about substantiation.

I have never claimed my point is more valid than yours, I have merely rejected your notion that your opinion is more valid than mine. Take your comment about this topic ("this is my thread"), it is not yours, you initiated it but you don't own it and you don't control it or have the ultimate say over those who contribute to it. This is a discussion board where people express their different opinions with equal entitlement and validity.

I am not the basement dwelling Morrowind player you describe, although I have played that game along with the other TES games and many other computer games since 1983, having also written about games, tested games both publicly and privately for developers, and had my own game published so I've been around gaming a while and have been a "collector" in many games during that time. Come to think of it, I did live briefly in a basement early on in my career some 40 years ago but we didn't have computers then !

The simple point is that in relation to all who contribute to this topic, each opinion is as valid as the next one. Some want a change because it will further their enjoyment of the game, others oppose such a change because it will spoil their enjoyment of the game. Both are equally valid views given the different approaches adopted to the game.

Look at you. You cannot stand to let it go. You want to say I am calling you all sorts of "insults" but you fail to realize that you do the same. You think I am arrogant and condescending I think you are dimwitted and petty. We are similar except I am blunt and you are passive aggressive and to me being passive aggressive is a form of cowardice. So keep coming on here with your circular arguments and continued need to have the last word. You are a walking forum bump and will only give my thread more hang time. I am done with you trying to flame me into more arguments to shut this thread down. You are out voted on this thread and in the overall standard of account wide achievements in gaming. Peace Nephew.

He,y it's a discussion board, I'm just having a discussion, sometimes with you and sometimes with others. As for having the last word, I suggested we agree to disagree on this but you didn't like that so on we go. Feel free to drop out at any time !

You notice that the OP didnt answer me when I asked for substantiation for his claims.He cant give it. It's just something he said for his thread to seem valid.
I'd really rather keep separate achievements for each character.

I do not live on the forums like your buddy Tandor and you post this as I am getting to my thread for reactions Volkodav. He is creating a lot of noise on here and I may have missed your post. look at the time stamp of my last reply. I have not had the chance yet.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · January 2016

As a general rule, making things account wide promotes playing alts, which in turn promotes the longevity of the game. This is a good thing!

When CP hit, I had 2 max level characters. If CP wasnt account wide, there is no possible way I would have leveled the other two. In fact, I would have gone all in on one toon and had a very high level mule. CP is one of the most powerful components of this game. If it can be account wide, so should a lot of things. (Also, I would have probably picked my DK at the time, got mad when they eliminated trials for 6 months, and probably wouldn't still be playing...)

The three things I would like to see account wide are PVP rank, Undaunted rank, Achievements.

PVP rank would promote playing alts for sure! It also just makes sense. If I person has 10 million AP on one toon vs 4 toons, his hours in cyrodiil and expected skill level are about the same. They should command they same fear and respect on the battlefield. In fact, the person that did it on 4 toons probably has a better understanding of the game because they played all the classes. Isn't that what alliance rank is really all about? For both harcore PvPers wanting to play alts or PvEers looking for caltrops or prox det, it really benefits everyone. I dont PvP all that much, and the thought of grinding up prox det again on my DK or Sorc is mind-numbing, and it will never happen.

Undaunted rank is very powerful, I have leveled on 3 toons to max, and am 1 level away on my 4th. It is such a pain, and frankly very frustrating. Do I really need to re-run every regular dungeon? Or scrounge up trial/VDSA groups which is next to impossible these days? It's also ridiculous for a PVP player to have to do this multiple times. They are forcing new characters to run extinct content just to be competitive. Once is enough.

Achievements should have been account wide since day 1. Maybe certain titles like VMA or VDSA should be character based, but that list is small. My DK is my achievement toon, Hero of Tamriel, etc. I really wanted to run Wrothgar with my new Sorc, which I might do one of these days, but I did on my DK because I felt like I had to. I also want to do Dark Brotherhood with my NB, but will probably end up doing on my DK as well. Kind of a shame...

nordsavage · January 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

DDemon wrote: »

I personally don't really care too much about achievements, but I see no reason why not to do this.

Some people seem to think this would take away the initiative to make alt characters, which kind of doesn't make sense. It actually promotes making more characters, as their progress is shared.

It benefits those whose sole purpose in creating more characters is to have endgame alts with the minimum time necessary to advance them to that stage, but it disadvantages those whose sole purpose in creating more characters is to take their time leveling alts through the game because they enjoy the journey and all it has to offer. Sure they can still do those achievements, but it removes any sense of satisfaction from doing so when they're already credited with them from another character's collection.

It also disadvantages those who take the role-play aspect of MMORPGs seriously. Someone who wants a warrior-type character to avoid all Mages Guild content will find that character has all the Mages Guild achievements anyway, because his mage-type character got them - and that character is similarly going to receive all the Fighters Guild achievements the warrior-type character got even tho' he has had no involvement with the Fighters Guild.

The same could be said that having alts with gaps in their history is less satisfying than one complete history. Very, very few if any will go beyond getting the bulk achievements repeatedly. Nobody is going to scamp farm or master angler for weeks then buy or earn all the motif chapters for across all alts. As far as the campaign bronze, silvers and gold goes most will stop doing them after their second or third time through. So unless you intend to complete all achievements across all alts then account wide is the only way to go here.

Under the existing system you can get all the achievements on one character and then be more relaxed about getting them all on your other characters. You will still get the satisfaction of completing those you do get on them, and it adds to both the purpose and fun of leveling up them up. Under your proposal, once you've got all of the achievements once, whether on one character or more easily on more than one, that's it. There's no benefit to doing them on your other characters and the enjoyment of leveling them is reduced accordingly.

I don't for a moment expect to get all the achievements on all my characters, but I do want the opportunity to do achievements on all of them, and in a meaningful way. It's a significant part of leveling them through the game, and I don't want it trivialised by having it all shared between them. By and large I don't have a main character in MMOs, I have a number of characters who are all equally important and enjoyable to me. It's how I enjoy playing the game, and as you indicated in #59 in relation to another aspect of playing the game - " I do not care for role play but if that is how someone wants to spend their game time I leave it be as I understand it is how they enjoy the game." There's a good case to be made for leaving achievements be, as that is how a lot of us enjoy the game. Hold a different view by all means, but you might at least respect our view as you do that of role-players, rather than insulting us.

If you think I was insulting maybe you are just thin skinned. Again all of you who are against account wide achivements are the minority. To re-quote what I told another poster "Do you realize that character based achievements in games and among platforms is miniscule. By default account wide achievements are considered proper, common and are expected. By default you are the extreme minority. How dare I ask for what is expected from a game." Feel free to read the entire interaction between that poster and myself for the full context. As for "trivialized" repetition and over abundance is what makes something trivial.

Actually,how is it that you can know just how miniscule achievements are among platforms? Do you have some way of telling exactly how many people work for them? I would like to know.Some people make blanket statements like this when they are disagreed with. Also,how do you know if those of us who are against your proposal are in the minority?

Here you go @Volkodav. If you play one Xbox/Games for Windows, PlayStation or Steam all of the achievement systems are account wide. Those are the big three as far as gaming achievements go. Those platforms and their systems cover thousands of games. So that right away makes character based achievements anomalous. The other Elder Scrolls are included so that makes this game an exception in the Elder Scrolls franchise. If you go on trueachievements.com you can see how many people play and go after achievements for the Xbox and now they have a PlayStation trophies. There are other websites as well. The reactions and "likes" to this thread and my personal interaction with players in game and across these sites are how I know you are the minority on the thread itself. Those who agree need only push a button to acknowledge their agreement there are other posters who write there agreement in words. Really it is just you and Tandor who are so vocal in their disagreement and clicking the single agree on each others posts and he verging on trolling on this point. Look at his profile he lives for this. Let me now what you need more explanation on.

Daraugh · January 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

I wouldn't like it, there's some achievements I don't want on certain characters that I have on other characters. They're individuals, I'd rather keep them that way. My sorcerer would never murder, but my nightblade has a grudge against former Dunmer slavers and taking them out one at a time. I don't want to open my sorc's journal and see the mass murderer achievement, something she never did, or would do, all filled in.

If achievements were account wide you would no longer have to worry about the individual character morals. Think of it like this, @ account earned the achievement not dunmer@account. You take all of the negative stigma away from many achievements at the character level.

But it's also part of their personal development. I like that my NB has the achievement while my sorc doesn't. The variety between characters is interesting and making it attached to the @ account rather than to the character takes away from the character.

Achievements are not what make the character it is the choices you make. Achievements are markers for reaching goals and repeated accolades only serve to cheapen the original.

The choices I make are reflected in those achievements. If you read my post you would see that rather than repeating anything, the opposite is true. I don't want them repeated at all, I want each to be their own character.

nordsavage · January 2016

Daraugh wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

I wouldn't like it, there's some achievements I don't want on certain characters that I have on other characters. They're individuals, I'd rather keep them that way. My sorcerer would never murder, but my nightblade has a grudge against former Dunmer slavers and taking them out one at a time. I don't want to open my sorc's journal and see the mass murderer achievement, something she never did, or would do, all filled in.

If achievements were account wide you would no longer have to worry about the individual character morals. Think of it like this, @ account earned the achievement not dunmer@account. You take all of the negative stigma away from many achievements at the character level.

But it's also part of their personal development. I like that my NB has the achievement while my sorc doesn't. The variety between characters is interesting and making it attached to the @ account rather than to the character takes away from the character.

Achievements are not what make the character it is the choices you make. Achievements are markers for reaching goals and repeated accolades only serve to cheapen the original.

The choices I make are reflected in those achievements. If you read my post you would see that rather than repeating anything, the opposite is true. I don't want them repeated at all, I want each to be their own character.

When you wrote "I don't want to open my sorc's journal and see the mass murderer achievement, something she never did, or would do, all filled in" it would no longer be your sorcerer's achievement list it would be yours, you as a human player. This is what I am trying to get at. All of us who want a sense of overall completion should not suffer because you make an argonian named "Picks-the-flowers" who only chases gathering achievements.

Acrolas · January 2016

alkodav wrote: »

Also account wide achievements are the great ground for new ones - like "make and max char for all alliance" or "make and max char for all races" etc... sorry for my english, but i had to write it)

Global achievements can be programmed separately. But they tend to come in the flavor of, "What exclusive reward am I getting for doing all this?" rather than, "Wow, that sounds like fun and its own reward!"

If it's worth doing, you're going to do it even if there's no checklist for it. Otherwise it just turns into banal things like

Go on 500 job interviews!
Have egg salad every day for 366 consecutive days! (ultra rare leap year achievement!)
Write an opera every hour for 44 hours!
And more!

I mean... just because it's a video game doesn't mean you have to do dumb *** on a list. Most of you resent doing stuff like that when you're getting paid to do it...

nordsavage · January 2016

Acrolas wrote: »

alkodav wrote: »

Also account wide achievements are the great ground for new ones - like "make and max char for all alliance" or "make and max char for all races" etc... sorry for my english, but i had to write it)

Global achievements can be programmed separately. But they tend to come in the flavor of, "What exclusive reward am I getting for doing all this?" rather than, "Wow, that sounds like fun and its own reward!"

If it's worth doing, you're going to do it even if there's no checklist for it. Otherwise it just turns into banal things like

Go on 500 job interviews!
Have egg salad every day for 366 consecutive days! (ultra rare leap year achievement!)
Write an opera every hour for 44 hours!
And more!

I mean... just because it's a video game doesn't mean you have to do dumb *** on a list. Most of you resent doing stuff like that when you're getting paid to do it...

Questioning that dumb ** on a list is almost like questioning playing games at all. You are not getting payed to play the game. I bet you do plenty in game that you resent doing such as one of the many many low drop grinds. If you have done even one thing in a game that you resent you are chalk full of ***. In addition if you are not someone who collects achievements why come on this thread anyway.

Opux · January 2016

I agree with the OP, achievements really should be account wide. It's something I achieved as a player. For the people who disagree: it's much easier to ignore achievements you don't want on a character than it is to redo every achievement on every alt.

nordsavage · January 2016

Opux wrote: »

I agree with the OP, achievements really should be account wide. It's something I achieved as a player. For the people who disagree: it's much easier to ignore achievements you don't want on a character than it is to redo every achievement on every alt.

Well said particularly your last line.

Xargomir · January 2016

Yeah, how will I ever hit alliance rank 50 splitting my time across Sorcerer and Templar. Why can't I proudly display that Legate title on both?

nordsavage · January 2016

Xargomir wrote: »

Yeah, how will I ever hit alliance rank 50 splitting my time across Sorcerer and Templar. Why can't I proudly display that Legate title on both?

Why not if you have already earned it. If anything you can see the true level of either skill or involvement in pvp a person has. That alt with private could still someone with a 501 cp and Grand Overlord. Someone might say they could hide behind hidden stature to sucker punch players especially in non-vet pvp.

Gidorick · January 2016

This thread is getting a bit....

https://youtu.be/LOZuxwVk7TU

nordsavage · January 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

This thread is getting a bit....

I am not going to watch whatever meme you have there but if you do not want to read it then do not click in. People post and I react that is just how it goes.

Acrolas · January 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

you are chalk full of ***.

Chock-full.

Case in point. I don't resent anything, because I can rationalize between a goal worth doing myself (having fun for an hour before bed) and an end to pay somebody else to do for me (crafted gear). The game won't exist in 20 years. I just enjoy it for the after-hours experience.

I stand by the Foamy the Squirrel assessment of video game achievements. Placating an underachieving public through a false sense of accomplishment.

Because if they were an actual accomplishment, you wouldn't mind doing them on eight characters. And from the sorry state of some other games I've used, global/account achievements easily become an excuse not to release new content.

But achievements are not content. So I'm going to post in threads like this so that pony never rides.

Tandor · January 2016

Opux wrote: »

I agree with the OP, achievements really should be account wide. It's something I achieved as a player. For the people who disagree: it's much easier to ignore achievements you don't want on a character than it is to redo every achievement on every alt.

Out of interest, if you've already achieved them as a player through one character, why would you feel a need to redo every achievement on every alt? Wouldn't you just do the ones that character needed and leave the rest on the basis that your desire to complete every achievement in the game had already been covered?

nordsavage · January 2016

Acrolas wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

you are chalk full of ***.

Chock-full.

Case in point. I don't resent anything, because I can rationalize between a goal worth doing myself (having fun for an hour before bed) and an end to pay somebody else to do for me (crafted gear). The game won't exist in 20 years. I just enjoy it for the after-hours experience.

I stand by the Foamy the Squirrel assessment of video game achievements. Placating an underachieving public through a false sense of accomplishment.

Because if they were an actual accomplishment, you wouldn't mind doing them on eight characters. And from the sorry state of some other games I've used, global/account achievements easily become an excuse not to release new content.

But achievements are not content. So I'm going to post in threads like this so that pony never rides.

All this means is that either way your opinion does not matter in this case. Just because you do not have the interest or discipline to obtain some of these does not negate the value they have to the game. If you truly believed that you would argue to remove achievements all together. You just want to come on here and bark without any actual contribution to what the thread is about. Even those who disagree have something with substance to say. You keep posting how it is a waste of time then you turn around and say the game will not last forever so why do you even bother playing. You have a very flawed logic. You are against wasting effort gaining achievements while playing a game that according to the same ideal is a waste of time. Get real.

Volkodav · January 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

DDemon wrote: »

I personally don't really care too much about achievements, but I see no reason why not to do this.

Some people seem to think this would take away the initiative to make alt characters, which kind of doesn't make sense. It actually promotes making more characters, as their progress is shared.

It benefits those whose sole purpose in creating more characters is to have endgame alts with the minimum time necessary to advance them to that stage, but it disadvantages those whose sole purpose in creating more characters is to take their time leveling alts through the game because they enjoy the journey and all it has to offer. Sure they can still do those achievements, but it removes any sense of satisfaction from doing so when they're already credited with them from another character's collection.

It also disadvantages those who take the role-play aspect of MMORPGs seriously. Someone who wants a warrior-type character to avoid all Mages Guild content will find that character has all the Mages Guild achievements anyway, because his mage-type character got them - and that character is similarly going to receive all the Fighters Guild achievements the warrior-type character got even tho' he has had no involvement with the Fighters Guild.

The same could be said that having alts with gaps in their history is less satisfying than one complete history. Very, very few if any will go beyond getting the bulk achievements repeatedly. Nobody is going to scamp farm or master angler for weeks then buy or earn all the motif chapters for across all alts. As far as the campaign bronze, silvers and gold goes most will stop doing them after their second or third time through. So unless you intend to complete all achievements across all alts then account wide is the only way to go here.

Under the existing system you can get all the achievements on one character and then be more relaxed about getting them all on your other characters. You will still get the satisfaction of completing those you do get on them, and it adds to both the purpose and fun of leveling up them up. Under your proposal, once you've got all of the achievements once, whether on one character or more easily on more than one, that's it. There's no benefit to doing them on your other characters and the enjoyment of leveling them is reduced accordingly.

I don't for a moment expect to get all the achievements on all my characters, but I do want the opportunity to do achievements on all of them, and in a meaningful way. It's a significant part of leveling them through the game, and I don't want it trivialised by having it all shared between them. By and large I don't have a main character in MMOs, I have a number of characters who are all equally important and enjoyable to me. It's how I enjoy playing the game, and as you indicated in #59 in relation to another aspect of playing the game - " I do not care for role play but if that is how someone wants to spend their game time I leave it be as I understand it is how they enjoy the game." There's a good case to be made for leaving achievements be, as that is how a lot of us enjoy the game. Hold a different view by all means, but you might at least respect our view as you do that of role-players, rather than insulting us.

If you think I was insulting maybe you are just thin skinned. Again all of you who are against account wide achivements are the minority. To re-quote what I told another poster "Do you realize that character based achievements in games and among platforms is miniscule. By default account wide achievements are considered proper, common and are expected. By default you are the extreme minority. How dare I ask for what is expected from a game." Feel free to read the entire interaction between that poster and myself for the full context. As for "trivialized" repetition and over abundance is what makes something trivial.

Actually,how is it that you can know just how miniscule achievements are among platforms? Do you have some way of telling exactly how many people work for them? I would like to know.Some people make blanket statements like this when they are disagreed with. Also,how do you know if those of us who are against your proposal are in the minority?

Here you go @Volkodav. If you play one Xbox/Games for Windows, PlayStation or Steam all of the achievement systems are account wide. Those are the big three as far as gaming achievements go. Those platforms and their systems cover thousands of games. So that right away makes character based achievements anomalous. The other Elder Scrolls are included so that makes this game an exception in the Elder Scrolls franchise. If you go on trueachievements.com you can see how many people play and go after achievements for the Xbox and now they have a PlayStation trophies. There are other websites as well. The reactions and "likes" to this thread and my personal interaction with players in game and across these sites are how I know you are the minority on the thread itself. Those who agree need only push a button to acknowledge their agreement there are other posters who write there agreement in words. Really it is just you and Tandor who are so vocal in their disagreement and clicking the single agree on each others posts and he verging on trolling on this point. Look at his profile he lives for this. Let me now what you need more explanation on.

Well,you seem to think that PC users arent in the game or even a part of the achievement crowd.So,you still cant say you know all the stats regarding this.Those are only partial numbers without the addition of PC players.Let me know when you have found those numbers please.