What if stealth was removed from PvP?

Gilvoth · January 2016

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Well you can't compare a fantasy game to real life and expect it to match 100%.

oh really?
the technology not only exists to make invisibility, but,
it is allready being used and has been for many many years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRfKi-2qWEY

The most advanced tech in eso is a stone trebuchet. Eso is all about magic and fantasy levels of strength, no need to reason it out like that.

the point is, is that its no longer fantasy.
its real, and not only being used in real life it can be used in games.
the idea that some one is in stealth is also deeply written into the thieves guild and dark brotherhood.
thats not something you want to destroy, its something you use to your advantage.

FriedEggSandwich · January 2016

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Well you can't compare a fantasy game to real life and expect it to match 100%.

oh really?
the technology not only exists to make invisibility, but,
it is allready being used and has been for many many years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRfKi-2qWEY

The most advanced tech in eso is a stone trebuchet. Eso is all about magic and fantasy levels of strength, no need to reason it out like that.

the point is, is that its no longer fantasy.
its real, and not only being used in real life it can be used in games.
the idea that some one is in stealth is also deeply written into the thieves guild and dark brotherhood.
thats not something you want to destroy, its something you use to your advantage.

I agree.

JMadFour · January 2016

My main is a NB.

Several things.

1) Nightblades would need something to compensate for the loss of their only real defensive measure. And I am not sure any of you would like what NBs are given, which would likely be MUCH more self-healing. Imagine Templar level self heals with NB burst.

2) the NB population would plummet regardless as all the ESport heroes move on to the next FOTM.

3) Those who stay NBs would look to move to more survivable builds, incorporating more Heavy Armor. The era of squishy NBs running away in cloak would end. A NB with heavy burst and self heals that can actually take a punch without immediately running? Yeah, you'll love that.

Beyond that, not much would change, except you would be able to see the Wrecking Blow spam coming.

Uberkull · January 2016

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

investigate, its not a joke and its not fake.

/facepalm People amaze me sometimes....

Infinite12 · January 2016

BalticBlues wrote: »

PvP without stealth could result in a mature, serious game.
A mature game where real battle tactics would matter.
Therefore, it will never happen. People want easy kills.

Lol. Stealth isn't a "real" battle tactic?

Xjcon · January 2016

New FOTM coming.

Soon!

LBxFinalDeath · January 2016

Nightblade would become one of the least desirable classes in PvP just like it is in PvE for end-game content.

I mean srsly....do you see 4 man groups of just Nightblades doing imperial city prison at v16?

Sorcs on the other hand are capable of doing this granted it takes a lot of skill and little to no mistakes.

In short Sorc would become the undisputed best class if stealth was removed in every form.

The nerf rants would never end.

AlnilamE · January 2016

Are we talking about stealth in general or about NB Cloak? Because they are not the same.

If the stealth mechanic was removed, NBs would still be able to cloak, and players would still be able to use invisibility potions. So you'd probably end up with more NBs than now.

Personally, I stealth a lot when moving around Cyrodiil on all my characters. But I don't care so much about other stealthed players that I carry detection pots with me or have the Radiant Magelight morph.

WalkingLegacy · January 2016

If cloaking was 100% achievable right now, and I mean 100% feasible/executable and useable we would see it out in the real world right now. In its current state its a gimmick.

Scientists have known for many many many years that you can achieve a sense of invisibility by bending the light around you. This is not new.

Point is, in elder scrolls, invisibility is achieved through popping a potion or a spell.

We're also talking about stealth, which is a separate system.

JMadFour · January 2016

If they removed Sneaking from Cyrodiil, I'd never go there.

here is why:

Quite simply, I love stealth. I like being sneaky. I play stealth-based characters in every game I play if I can.

in Cyrodiil, my role is that of a Forward Scout and/or a Sniper(if the game allows it). That was my role in Planetside/Planetside 2 as an Infiltrator, and that is how I play here.

That is the concept that I build my characters around. That of a sneaky thief in PVE and a Forward Scout in PVP. in places like Cyrodiil, I'm more than content to go and watch the enemy, and tell my allies where they are, where they are coming from, and how many.

I sneak in PVE. a lot. I love sneaking through cities in ESO and stealing everything that's not nailed down. I love sneaking through Delves, and using Stealth to my advantage in PVE. my personal enjoyment of this game revolves around my ability to sneak.

I'm not a ganker. I'm not an Esports hero. I'm not a "1vs1 me" PVP 360 noscope god who can do everything blindfolded and never die like all of the rest of you claim to be. I play my role. I support my team. If I get caught, I'm dead. Because I am built for stealth, and when I get caught I am generally alone and outnumbered. I readily accept that as a condition of the playstyle I choose.

I DON'T CARE if you remove Dark Cloak. You can *** have it. TAKE IT.

However, If you remove Sneak from Cyrodiil, then I will become a PVE-only player. because you will have taken away the only play style that I actually enjoy in this game.

Wollust · January 2016

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Nightblade would become one of the least desirable classes in PvP just like it is in PvE for end-game content.

I mean srsly....do you see 4 man groups of just Nightblades doing imperial city prison at v16?

Sorcs on the other hand are capable of doing this granted it takes a lot of skill and little to no mistakes.

In short Sorc would become the undisputed best class if stealth was removed in every form.

The nerf rants would never end.

Well, I tank Imperial City Prison on my NB quite easily. Then you'd have 3 magicka NB using Funnel Health DPS, with one of them having a Resto Staff for emergency Healing Ward and Healing Springs. Pretty sure it would work as well if not even better as having 4 sorcs. I know it works easily for White Gold Tower.
Magicka NB have a higher sustainable DPS plus more utility (Funnel Health and Sap Essence are strong DPS skills with amazing support heal) for end game than Sorcs. Sorcs have Overload, besides that their DPS is, unfortunately, kinda meh.

NBs are not only good because of their stealth game, but also because of really good utility skills and synergies with their passives. Ofc stealth is still a strong aspect of the class, I am not denying that. But even without that, they would be still better off than some other classes currently are in Cyrodiil.

Nonetheless, stealth is an important and crucial part of the game.

Uberkull · January 2016

Wollust wrote: »

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Nightblade would become one of the least desirable classes in PvP just like it is in PvE for end-game content.

I mean srsly....do you see 4 man groups of just Nightblades doing imperial city prison at v16?

Sorcs on the other hand are capable of doing this granted it takes a lot of skill and little to no mistakes.

In short Sorc would become the undisputed best class if stealth was removed in every form.

The nerf rants would never end.

Well, I tank Imperial City Prison on my NB quite easily. Then you'd have 3 magicka NB using Funnel Health DPS, with one of them having a Resto Staff for emergency Healing Ward and Healing Springs. Pretty sure it would work as well if not even better as having 4 sorcs. I know it works easily for White Gold Tower.
Magicka NB have a higher sustainable DPS plus more utility (Funnel Health and Sap Essence are strong DPS skills with amazing support heal) for end game than Sorcs. Sorcs have Overload, besides that their DPS is, unfortunately, kinda meh.

NBs are not only good because of their stealth game, but also because of really good utility skills and synergies with their passives. Ofc stealth is still a strong aspect of the class, I am not denying that. But even without that, they would be still better off than some other classes currently are in Cyrodiil.

Nonetheless, stealth is an important and crucial part of the game.

What you are pointing out is PVE. This is a PvP thread and is referring to stealth, not invisibility. Any class can use stealth.

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2016

Justice31st wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

It would mean that lone players or small groups would be completely out of the question, since you'd get zerg balled immediately upon encountering a larger group. Everyone would stick to large groups, the village quests in cyrodiil would become very difficult to do, and NBs would be pretty useless. Tanks and sorcerers would be the only things worth playing.

I disagree, many people stick in large groups for the reason of stealth and Nightblade gank squads. As a healer, I would be more persuaded to run solo if I knew there wasn't a group of Nightblades waiting to ambush me stealthed right outside my keep.

You do know that not every Ganker is a NB right? Stealth is not a NB only thing. You can go stealth yourself. So how about stop trying to paint NBs as Gankers and Gankers as NBs. Plenty of NBs run right along side of you and I bet youve never bothered to notice.

DurzoBlint13 · January 2016

then all of the nightblade bandwagon jumpers would cry about it endlessly and make the

Tryxus wrote: »

If stealth was removed...

... PvP would be boring

says the guy with 3 nightblades. Seriously? you are the kind of guy that goes to shake someone's hand and then sucker-punches them aren't you?