What if stealth was removed from PvP?

Uberkull

I'm not asking for it or whining, I actually like a stealth mechanic. HOWEVER...

How would pvp be without stealth?

Consider IC sewers, no more hiding in the corner waiting to gank the player that's got 5 mobs on them. No more team of gankers waiting for players to come through choke points. Just a straight up, 'here I am, come get some' style of pvp.

Consider Cyrodiil. In open field battle, stealth is purely either a) strategic positioning strategy or b) plain coward, escape mechanic or c) unskilled player who needs the jump on someone to win a fight

If your main class is a Nightblade...just sit back and enjoy the discussion, we know your answer.

Wollust

Well, it would partially take out the advantage of having the element of surprise on an enemy group, which is often used by smaller groups against bigger ones.

So, it would suck.

ontheleftcoast

How about you learn to play with stealth? M'kay?

There are tons of ways to mitigate stealth: potions, spells, armor sets, and of course -- grouping. Removing it from PvP would require a massive rebalancing act and frankly sounds more like you're whining about getting ganked in the sewers and losing some TVS.

BalticBlues

PvP without stealth could result in a mature, serious game.
A mature game where real battle tactics would matter.
Therefore, it will never happen. People want easy kills.

flintstone

I don't like all the sneaking and stealth required in PVP play and I don't go there much.......not my thing. That said......I understand it, it is a part of "real" war, and I would not want to see it removed.

Artjuh90

so you want more WB?
cause that's one of the only stamina based tactics that don't involve stealth

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO

I'd love it myself, but PvPers wants it easy, so won't happen.

robkrush

And replace nightblade invis with speed. I've dreamed of this many times. A
Pvp where we can actually see the other player would be so nice.

wayfarerx

BalticBlues wrote: »

PvP without stealth could result in a mature, serious game.
A mature game where real battle tactics would matter.

Or it could remove a very situational but very useful set of tactics from our toolbox and turn Cyrodiil into an even more zergy lag-fest.

Oh wait I'm a nightblade in PvP I'm supposed to keep quiet

driosketch

Line of sight would still be a thing. You ever watch a group gather to launch a surprise attack. Even in stealth they tend to huddle and hug the walls.

Gilvoth

take away stealth and invisibility from eso and from pvp and i would leave

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

take away stealth and invisibility from eso and from pvp and i would leave

Bye then.

tennant94

Why just why!?

acw37162

I absolutely abhor PVP, would rather watch reruns of reality TV then play IC or Cyrodil.


All that aside stealth should be left in, it's actually the only useful defense to 24 man zergs

revonine

To entertain the OP's question, if they removed stealth from the game they would also have to completely rework the Nightblade class. I doubt that's possible for ZOS so kinda moot really.

Uberkull

revonine wrote: »

To entertain the OP's question, if they removed stealth from the game they would also have to completely rework the Nightblade class. I doubt that's possible for ZOS so kinda moot really.

Partially, if you focus on only one skill tree in the NB class and roll a SpamBush build.

Oh, btw....I have a fully geared VR16 NB with TH, 3700 WD and poison injection Bow build. Also have a Magicka Shield Sorc build and a Stam Templar build....all VR16 and geared. So, I have no bias or complaint....just what if...

dimensional

What if people came up with horrible ideas for PvP?

Uberkull

dimensional wrote: »

What if people came up with horrible ideas for PvP?

It's not a change request, it's a discussion. Take the element of stealth out of pvp and see how skilled you are...

TheBull

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

I'd love it myself, but PvPers wants it easy, so won't happen.

Anyone complaining about stealth at this stage will be easy no matter what.

Artjuh90

dimensional wrote: »

What if people came up with horrible ideas for PvP?

have you been on this forum?

eliisra

I would love it if stealth was disabled in one IC campaigns(the other 5 ones would stay NB heaven so no worries).

Also think that one campaign would be the most popular one. Just normal PvP in there, no free kills ganking with x3 dmg bonus on some dude fighting NPC's.

But removing stealth completely from PvP sounds really bad. I mean everyone kinda needs it in Cyrodiil. Especially when roaming, while not in a raid.

catalyst10e

I assume you mean stealth as a whole, including cloak? If its just stealth but NB could still cloak, I imagine there would be an even bigger rise of NB players, and cyrodiil would constantly look empty even tho you had position 58 in queue to get in...

If you mean all stealth: I don't like being ganked anymore than the next guy, but this would seriously cripple PVP. I'm a sorc, and being able to hide while 8-10 people ride past me can be crucial. Scouts need to be able to hide, Nightblades as a whole NEED stealth as a defensive mechanic, not just as a ganking one.

I wish they would take things a step further and have a symbol next to your name to indicate classes so while in stealth trying to get the jump on another group we can all pre-target the healer.

Abeille

Wollust wrote: »

Well, it would partially take out the advantage of having the element of surprise on an enemy group, which is often used by smaller groups against bigger ones.

So, it would suck.

That was my first thought, too.

It would severely cripple small groups, and nobody likes a zergfest (well... unless people running with the zerg I guess?).

eNumbra

What if damage shields were removed from PvP?

Justice31st

If stealth was removed from PvP, there would be a lot more low level players not afraid to fight in Cyrodil or non nightblade players to run in smaller groups or solo. And a more balanced class choice; since there would be fewer night blades. ZOS ruined PvP for all other classes or builds other than Night blades. And are further encouraging ganking with the AP diminishing returns for larger groups to help protect against stealthed night blade gankers in the future PvP update.

Tryxus

If stealth was removed...


... PvP would be boring

Shardaxx

It would mean that lone players or small groups would be completely out of the question, since you'd get zerg balled immediately upon encountering a larger group. Everyone would stick to large groups, the village quests in cyrodiil would become very difficult to do, and NBs would be pretty useless. Tanks and sorcerers would be the only things worth playing.

Mike0987

That doesn't matter. They gank you anyway even when you go to cyrodil simple to finish a fishing achievement. Next thing you know your standing by the only ocean spot minding your own business, the next your flying into the water from a greatsword uppercut to the back. You cant watch your back 100% of the time, I tried, you get dizzy...

JoshenReborn

You call it ganking, I call it assassination. I need stealth to perform successful assassinations, I can't assassinate if you see it coming.

Justice31st

Shardaxx wrote: »

It would mean that lone players or small groups would be completely out of the question, since you'd get zerg balled immediately upon encountering a larger group. Everyone would stick to large groups, the village quests in cyrodiil would become very difficult to do, and NBs would be pretty useless. Tanks and sorcerers would be the only things worth playing.

I disagree, many people stick in large groups for the reason of stealth and Nightblade gank squads. As a healer, I would be more persuaded to run solo if I knew there wasn't a group of Nightblades waiting to ambush me stealthed right outside my keep.

revonine

Mike0987 wrote: »

That doesn't matter. They gank you anyway even when you go to cyrodil simple to finish a fishing achievement. Next thing you know your standing by the only ocean spot minding your own business, the next your flying into the water from a greatsword uppercut to the back. You cant watch your back 100% of the time, I tried, you get dizzy...

I respect players with the Master Angler title moreso than any other in the game.