Am I the only one that finds ganking shameful?

Angarato · January 2016

this game has soooo much pve yet the pve players insist in coming to the only 2 pvp areas. why? why not just go orsinium or the other countless pve only areas in the game.

I pvp in the IC almost exclusively, i go to the enemy bases and kill people either solo or in a group of 2-3. we fight everything that moves be it a solo farmer or a group of 10. nobody gives a *** about telvar stones i have like 200.000 of them. alot of the time we're running around with 1-2000 stones from killing your faction mates. isnt that enough reward for you?

its a learn to play issue.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2016

Angarato wrote: »

this game has soooo much pve yet the pve players insist in coming to the only 2 pvp areas. why? why not just go orsinium or the other countless pve only areas in the game.

Because if you don't play in PvE zones because you don't like it it's your choice. If you wanted to play there, nobody would prevent you to do so.
Inversely, PvEers who like to PvE in IC (or in Cyro) feel like they're prevented from accessing this content by PvP players. It's not their choice, it's like a barrier. Hence the frustration.
Basic psychology really.

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

Lenikus · January 2016

... Did the PvE guys think about grouping up?

Islyn · January 2016

I only find it classless if one waits till people are knee deep in mobs then does it from stealth. I mean, fair enough, but I personally find it a richard move.

Edited to add: but if mobs are clear and you still get ganked well...more situational awareness is your friend.

So is not checking your bag after every pull.

I've seen so many people get rekt standing there digging in their purses. Hell, I've been tempted to do it but it was my own faction :-P

mrdaveqc · January 2016

Lenikus wrote: »

... Did the PvE guys think about grouping up?

No they want to farm quick alone and no risk

Tryxus · January 2016

mrdaveqc wrote: »

Lenikus wrote: »

... Did the PvE guys think about grouping up?

No they want to farm quick alone and no risk

There's always Wrothgar

Lightninvash · January 2016

yes you are cus ganking is apart of the game. if you don't like being ganked then gank them first.

NBrookus · January 2016

Angarato wrote: »

this game has soooo much pve yet the pve players insist in coming to the only 2 pvp areas. why? why not just go orsinium or the other countless pve only areas in the game.

Because ZOS locked stuff PvE'ers need behind a PvP zone. If Reporas, Itades and Hajeiko dropped in Worthgar, people would farm them there.

That's before we even talk about trophies needed to get Willpower, Agility, etc., because you can't craft jewelry sets.

Lysette · January 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

MikeB wrote: »

This is an MMORPG that promises rewards(I don't know why you seem to think it doesn't), as all other MMORPG's, or else all those dungeons and PvP would offer nothing more than the experience.

This is an MMORPG that promises great funny playing experience, either solo or teaming up with others. I don't know why you seem to think it should provide or "reward" with anything else.
Gear progression adds to the replayability to a certain extent but it's not infinite. If you have no fun playing anymore, just take a break ?

That said, I agree with you that the RNG in the game is wrong at the moment.

I do not expect rewards from ESO like you do, MikeB, and my goal is as well not what yours is, mine is more like that what anitajoneb17_ESO has pointed out - to have fun exploring the game world, meet some new people, make friends and enjoy the content together. I am not much into PvP as in it is not my goal to do PvP, but I will engage in it nevertheless, most likely more often killed than not, but who cares. If someone does a good job at ambushing others, I'd say "good fight" and that's it. Just dont take it too seriously, MikeB, it is a game and your reward is having fun - how much fun you will get out of it, depends a lot on your attitude and entitlement is an attitude which does not go well with a game like ESO. ZOS does not owe you rewards of any kind, you are allowed to play the game but otherwise that's it, you are not entitled to anything more.

Pandorii · January 2016

If you like to PvP, why else would you go to IC sewers other than to prey on helpless people? *grumble grumble*

Opux · January 2016

Pandorii wrote: »

If you like to PvP, why else would you go to IC sewers other than to prey on helpless people? *grumble grumble*

I go there because daddy needs a new armor set, and someone needs to pay for it.

Necrelios · January 2016

Those who gank fight without honor. They shame themselves and are a disgrace to their families.

Vangy · January 2016

Funny story I have;

One fine day I was sneaking around dc vamp orcs and suddenly I notice this Dc sorc streak into the main room. He dosent look around. He makes no attempt to conceal his presence in dangerous territory. Then he proceeds to tag mobs with his destro staff in all corners of the room. He runs to the centre and starts impulse spam. As I charge my heavy Attack with rally, camo hunter and molten armaments I cackle with glee about all the stones I'm going to get. Also I wait for him to kill most of the mobs cos I hate pve farming. Why kill adds when he's doing them for me. His health drops to 70% while farming and boom I let off my arrow. Bang he's dead and I loot his 1600 stones. You say shameful but I say I'm capitalising on the opportunities given to me.

For every noob like above I've met good competent Farmers who run in small groups. They run specific skills to hinder my ganking. They throw caltrops down entrances which basically stops me from going in. They run shields. They have scouts. They never pull too many adds. Basically they make it such that my odds of killing one or 2 of them and then getting away is abysmally Low. As such I let them pass unless an opportunity presents itself.

Also pvers hardly ever see the pvp point of view. You like to farm. I don't like to farm. We both need like *** tons of stones to get gear. U get them from hammering helpless pve mobs. I get them from hammering helpless pve players. Don't hate the player. Hate the game. If only zos actually rewarded pvp players once in a while. All we get for pvping is useless ap (I have 1.4 million with nothing to spend it on) and the occasional mail with Decon trash every hour or so while pvping.

Kelces · January 2016

Don't hate the player. Hate the game. If only zos actually rewarded pvp players once in a while.

@Vangy
So translated to reality this means: One should hate nature/god/creation (A.K.A. game) for a piece of iron, as an example, used in a crime by any person. That person therefore being excused, because nature happens to provide such a concept. Think about it, players can make a huge difference. Just because it's convenient to do it your way, doesn't make it right.

Yes, yes, it's a PvP area. But maybe you will discover something called "sportsmanship". Fortunately this is a game after all...

Vangy · January 2016

Kelces wrote: »

Don't hate the player. Hate the game. If only zos actually rewarded pvp players once in a while.

@Vangy
So translated to reality this means: One should hate nature/god/creation (A.K.A. game) for a piece of iron, as an example, used in a crime by any person. That person therefore being excused, because nature happens to provide such a concept. Think about it, players can make a huge difference. Just because it's convenient to do it your way, doesn't make it right.

Yes, yes, it's a PvP area. But maybe you will discover something called "sportsmanship". Fortunately this is a game after all...

You have a nice way of twisting things don't ya. Here let me give u some perspective. In your analogy you seem to be referring to murder. Which is by 99% of people agreed upon as a crime. So ur analogy holds no weight. In this game, you seem to define ganking as a crime; this has not been agreed upon or established. You define it as a crime. I don't. It's a war zone. Is raiding enemy supplies and killing them while they are digging trenches a crime? Not that I know of. It's capitalising on an advantage. Is dropping bombs on an enemy camp while thyre napping a crime? Don't think so. It's the camps fault for not adequately defending themselves in the middle of a war. So we hate the war. Not the soldiers right? This would be a far better analogy imo. You seem to conveniently forget that your in a war zone and u are tied to a faction whether u like it or not. The moment you enter cyrodill you are not a merchant, you are not a farmer, you are not anything but a soldier. Whether you like it or not. As such, everyone and everything is fair game. You go about murdering hundreds of helpless mobs to steal their LEWT and suddenly when someone murders you it's a crime?

Toc de Malsvi · January 2016

You go about murdering hundreds of helpless mobs to steal their LEWT and suddenly when someone murders you it's a crime?

^this

TheBull · January 2016

Kelces wrote: »

Don't hate the player. Hate the game. If only zos actually rewarded pvp players once in a while.

@Vangy
So translated to reality this means: One should hate nature/god/creation (A.K.A. game) for a piece of iron, as an example, used in a crime by any person. That person therefore being excused, because nature happens to provide such a concept. Think about it, players can make a huge difference. Just because it's convenient to do it your way, doesn't make it right.

Yes, yes, it's a PvP area. But maybe you will discover something called "sportsmanship". Fortunately this is a game after all...

That's me on the left and that's Kellos on the right after the last time someone whispered us and said "So you're going to wait until I'm looking in my bag?"

Volkodav · January 2016

Vangy wrote: »

Kelces wrote: »

Don't hate the player. Hate the game. If only zos actually rewarded pvp players once in a while.

@Vangy
So translated to reality this means: One should hate nature/god/creation (A.K.A. game) for a piece of iron, as an example, used in a crime by any person. That person therefore being excused, because nature happens to provide such a concept. Think about it, players can make a huge difference. Just because it's convenient to do it your way, doesn't make it right.

Yes, yes, it's a PvP area. But maybe you will discover something called "sportsmanship". Fortunately this is a game after all...

You have a nice way of twisting things don't ya. Here let me give u some perspective. In your analogy you seem to be referring to murder. Which is by 99% of people agreed upon as a crime. So ur analogy holds no weight. In this game, you seem to define ganking as a crime; this has not been agreed upon or established. You define it as a crime. I don't. It's a war zone. Is raiding enemy supplies and killing them while they are digging trenches a crime? Not that I know of. It's capitalising on an advantage. Is dropping bombs on an enemy camp while thyre napping a crime? Don't think so. It's the camps fault for not adequately defending themselves in the middle of a war. So we hate the war. Not the soldiers right? This would be a far better analogy imo. You seem to conveniently forget that your in a war zone and u are tied to a faction whether u like it or not. The moment you enter cyrodill you are not a merchant, you are not a farmer, you are not anything but a soldier. Whether you like it or not. As such, everyone and everything is fair game. You go about murdering hundreds of helpless mobs to steal their LEWT and suddenly when someone murders you it's a crime?

Well,if you want to raid them then give them a chance to defend themselves.
Also,not EVERYONE who is in a war zone are soldiers.There are always civilians,..in ant war.Do you deem it honorable to kill unsuspecting innocent civilians?
I know it certainly isnt anything to be proud of,even if it is only a game.It shows a mindset.

Vangy · January 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Kelces wrote: »

Don't hate the player. Hate the game. If only zos actually rewarded pvp players once in a while.

@Vangy
So translated to reality this means: One should hate nature/god/creation (A.K.A. game) for a piece of iron, as an example, used in a crime by any person. That person therefore being excused, because nature happens to provide such a concept. Think about it, players can make a huge difference. Just because it's convenient to do it your way, doesn't make it right.

Yes, yes, it's a PvP area. But maybe you will discover something called "sportsmanship". Fortunately this is a game after all...

You have a nice way of twisting things don't ya. Here let me give u some perspective. In your analogy you seem to be referring to murder. Which is by 99% of people agreed upon as a crime. So ur analogy holds no weight. In this game, you seem to define ganking as a crime; this has not been agreed upon or established. You define it as a crime. I don't. It's a war zone. Is raiding enemy supplies and killing them while they are digging trenches a crime? Not that I know of. It's capitalising on an advantage. Is dropping bombs on an enemy camp while thyre napping a crime? Don't think so. It's the camps fault for not adequately defending themselves in the middle of a war. So we hate the war. Not the soldiers right? This would be a far better analogy imo. You seem to conveniently forget that your in a war zone and u are tied to a faction whether u like it or not. The moment you enter cyrodill you are not a merchant, you are not a farmer, you are not anything but a soldier. Whether you like it or not. As such, everyone and everything is fair game. You go about murdering hundreds of helpless mobs to steal their LEWT and suddenly when someone murders you it's a crime?

Well,if you want to raid them then give them a chance to defend themselves.
Also,not EVERYONE who is in a war zone are soldiers.There are always civilians,..in ant war.Do you deem it honorable to kill unsuspecting innocent civilians?
I know it certainly isnt anything to be proud of,even if it is only a game.It shows a mindset.

If u think u can walk into IC(a war zone) and start slaughtering daedra, zombies etc etc in the hundreds and seriously think you can call yourself a civilian (innocent or not).... I have some bad news for you. Killing civilians intentionally is a war crime. Killing delusional soldiers wandering around sewers beneath a city that is the focal point of a tri faction conflict who claim to not be soldiers and aren't prepared for war but are there by their own choice and then start mindlessly slaughtering wild animals and locals(the daedra

) is perfectly legit. Hell I think I even deserve a gold star and a pat on the back thank you!

EDIT: in fact I think we should propose to zos that they should hang a huge sign at all the exits of every factions home base that reads as follows: " beyond this point you are entering no mans land. There are bloodthirsty monsters, wild life, vampires, zombies and enemy players that will try to kill you. Leave at your own risk. Your life is your own responsibility. If u have baby khajits to feed we strongly suggest that you do not proceed beyond this point". Would this make everyone feel better?

mlstevens42_ESO · January 2016

You are NOT a civilian whether you like it or not you set foot in the war zone you are a soldier. Perhaps you are out looking for supplies perhaps you are looking or doing other things while there but we are all soldiers.

The civilians if you will are those people in those various villages in the warzone. They live there they are not coming in from who knows where to raid and pillage the resources take advantage of the poor war torn villages massacre the food sources and so on. They are not the ones wandering around trying to see some advantage to be gained for their side of the alliance war.

The players are all part of one faction or other by default. We are not simply trying to go on with our lives in the middle of this war zone. No no no we actually sign up for this and enter the fray supposedly with eyes wide open. If for some reason you some how clicked the button that signed you up for pvp without understanding this meant you were in a war zone. Then it is time to open them.

Sure it sucks to have someone pop out and say hi right about the time you keel over from massive blood loss but you can not really accidently get into those zones. It is up to you to pay attention to what you are doing. Where everyone is and so on. It is up to you to have skills that enable you to better know when there is someone out there getting ready to put arrows in yer buttocks or a dagger in the kidneys. Grouping sneaking whatever it is that will aid you in your quest to exploit the resources that you can gain by going into this war torn area. Resources can mean different things to different people btw. It might mean ingots cloth leather wood tv stones or the head of an enemy.

You have options you can learn the builds and what not that will help you be better and thus less being ganked. You can run with others. You can avoid being ganked by not being in the war zone in the first place.

It is not the fault of someone else if you are not prepared. It is not the fault of someone else if you refuse to run with a group. It is your fault that you are in a war zone. If you do not like being dead all of the time do something to solve your problem. My point is coming here to complain doesn't solve anything.

Again whether I like being ganked is NOT the issue. IT is a legitimate form of warfare. Not every character type can do the walk up and do the 1v1 duel. Further why in the world would they want to? Taking advantage of someone not paying attention has always been an aspect of war. Since these are designated war zones it is NOT murder. Each faction is trying to gain the advantage so they can claim the ruby throne. If you are there just because it looked like a nice place for a picnic and die you are at fault.

Vangy · January 2016

^ give this man a medal. He typed out a whole essay to explain the concept of a warzone and what constitutes whether you are a civilian or not. *clap clap*

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · January 2016

I'll just say that the world would be so much better without gankers and their E-peens that they apparently need to have as they need to compensate for their shortcomings irl.

FortheloveofKrist · January 2016

Not only is ganking not shameful (and I don't gank, cause waiting in the bushes for hours is not my thing), it's necessary and I hope it doesn't go away. I just got ganked the other day at a Cyrodiil repeatable quest location. By a Khajiit Vamp with a bow. And he "shhh"ed me right after he killed me. It was obviously someone who made a toon specifically for ganking.

And I love it. It makes questing in Cyrodiil interesting and exciting. Even in IC. You never know what you are going to get, and that is the reason many of us play online games against real people and have to take a break from AI mobs and quests. If you go into a war zone and complain about being killed by the enemy, you need to stay in PvE areas.

And that goes for you hippity-hopping "Yo Bro, we're trying to duel" bros in Imperial City. I don't give a **** if you're trying to "duel." You are in a war zone, and yes, I'm going to wait until you are 25% health and get my 500 AP by finishing you off. Cause you deserve it. If you want to duel, go find a cave or random mountain top in Cyrodiil somewhere. And then if I run into you....well, actually....I'll still do the same thing.

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Angarato wrote: »

this game has soooo much pve yet the pve players insist in coming to the only 2 pvp areas. why? why not just go orsinium or the other countless pve only areas in the game.

Because if you don't play in PvE zones because you don't like it it's your choice. If you wanted to play there, nobody would prevent you to do so.
Inversely, PvEers who like to PvE in IC (or in Cyro) feel like they're prevented from accessing this content by PvP players. It's not their choice, it's like a barrier. Hence the frustration.
Basic psychology really.

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

LMAO no its not. You have got to be kidding me with this rationalization. I PvE more than I PvP in this game although I consider myself more of a PvPer in general when it comes to games. And its the complete opposite. PvEers have the run of the game. They can go into PvP areas to do their PvEing but PvPers cant go into PvE areas to do their PvPing. Strictly PvPers are isolated to two zones while PvEers have access and content in ALL of the zones.

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

LMAO no its not. You have got to be kidding me with this rationalization. I PvE more than I PvP in this game although I consider myself more of a PvPer in general when it comes to games. And its the complete opposite. PvEers have the run of the game. They can go into PvP areas to do their PvEing but PvPers cant go into PvE areas to do their PvPing. Strictly PvPers are isolated to two zones while PvEers have access and content in ALL of the zones.

You didn't get it.
PvPers have no PvP to do in PvE zones but that's the game design, not "other players".
PvEers do have things to do (PvE) in PvP zones by design and they cannot do it "as they please" in PvP zones like they do in PvE zones because of other players. Hence the frustration.

wazzz56 · January 2016

dem0n1k wrote: »

Ganking makes the PVP zones exciting. I like how it is unsafe to stay unstealthed anywhere in the PVP zones.

I get ganked a lot & have lost a ton of telvar stones. It taught me to play more stealthily (even as a DK) & to check rooms for gankers before wiping the mobs. I prefer to travel in a group with everyone on voice comms so we can work together better if gankers attack.

I definitely don't blame the gankers for trying to gank me... it's a PVP area & they are doing exactly what PVP is about... killing enemy players!

Slow clap for this^ ..

saintofmirrors · January 2016

I actually wish I could kill you in other zones and take your gold. #hailsithis

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2016

saintofmirrors wrote: »

I actually wish I could kill you in other zones and take your gold. #hailsithis

You will ! (soon (TM) ) !

Well I'm not sure but I bet (and hope) that the so-called "2nd part of the justice system" will be implemented with either thieves' guild or DB DLC.
Players with a bounty will be "PvP-able" everywhere by players who'll have chosen the "law enforcers' side". (And hopefully NPC guards will be gone).

That's gonna be... great !!! Can't wait.

Hopefully this will make everybody happy : don't wanna PvP ? Don't steal, don't kill. Easy as cake. And people will have to be careful with AOEs in towns... might heal or impact a thief and they'll be flagged too !! :-)

I really really hope ZOS will do that.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · January 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

saintofmirrors wrote: »

I actually wish I could kill you in other zones and take your gold. #hailsithis

You will ! (soon (TM) ) !

Well I'm not sure but I bet (and hope) that the so-called "2nd part of the justice system" will be implemented with either thieves' guild or DB DLC.
Players with a bounty will be "PvP-able" everywhere by players who'll have chosen the "law enforcers' side". (And hopefully NPC guards will be gone).

That's gonna be... great !!! Can't wait.

Hopefully this will make everybody happy : don't wanna PvP ? Don't steal, don't kill. Easy as cake. And people will have to be careful with AOEs in towns... might heal or impact a thief and they'll be flagged too !! :-)

I really really hope ZOS will do that.

And kill off the game, lol. I really hope that a PvP flag will be put in as PvP SUCKS, it's so mindnumbingly boring that watching paint dry is more fun. Please, Zenimax, don't ruin a good game with PvP everywhere.

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2016

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

And kill off the game, lol. I really hope that a PvP flag will be put in as PvP SUCKS, it's so mindnumbingly boring that watching paint dry is more fun. Please, Zenimax, don't ruin a good game with PvP everywhere.

Why would it kill the game ?
Like I said, if you have no bounty and are not a law enforcer, then you're out of PvP and it's none of your business, it won't impact you. Scenes amongst other players around you might be very funny to watch, though ;-)

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