How do you guys feel about Sorcerers and Dragonknights not having instant damage abilities

OGLezard · December 2015

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

They should add in some more weapon skill line's so what your pointing out isn't an issue.

I'm one of those nightblade's who doesn't like using surprise attack. I wanna use Flurry and poke people to death (1 reason i hate the new 1 handed maelstrom weapon's, no buff to flurry... just DoT's after use of Flurry.... smh).

Has anyone seen Warframe? They add a new frame almost every couple months with unique skill's and animation's. If only Zos could phone those guy's and get some advice. DE has the best development team around.

Zos should turn around and patch up all the pot hole's in their game before trying to move forward. All i'm gonna say about that.

@GreenSoup2HoT you do realize that flurry IS a dot right.....so it buffs itself with that weapon...........

found1779 · December 2015

All i know is that i hate having to spam wrecking blow just cause it's the only move a stam sorcerer even has close to instant damage plus you got to get close just to get it off then by the time you hit a couple ppl with it your dead if your going against a group of 3 vs 1 etc stam sorcerer needs a stamina morph for crystal fragments so it will be a distance instant damage move

robkrush · December 2015

Google search "eso animation canceling".

Your welcome.

Alucardo · December 2015

Stam Sorc
My only VR16 is a stam sorc, and I got to thinking before even seeing this post... why? 15% cost reduction in ultimates is probably one of the nicest passives we have, but if you look at Nightblades, they have a lot of passives and even a skill that generates them ultimate rather quickly.
The weapon damage passive we have could be good, but you only get a minor boost for every sorc ability you have on your bar. This class is so crap my main bar has no sorc abilities, so I'm not getting any benefit from it xD
Then we look at Nightblades again who get 15% regen on ALL attributes without having to slot anything.
Finally, we get told stam sorc is getting a well needed surprise gift: Enter Thundering Presence. What a piece of crap. Major expedition on this skill lasts half as long as its magicka counterpart, so this ability just eats your stamina and offers no benefits. So most of us use Boundless Storm.
Having a direct damage ability would be nice, because it means I could slot a sorc ability on my bar for the extra weapon damage passive. A lightning whip or storm sword that slashes the target would be awesome.
I'd like the effect of boundless storm toned down because it's hard to see what's going on sometimes when you're just a ball of lightning running around. Why are our effects so extreme? Bound armaments covers your entire body and boundless is just so full on you can't see crap anyway.

Stam DK
This one isn't so bad. Sure, I'd love a morph of Molten Whip that scales off your highest attribute. Have more magicka and spell damage? Then Molten will scale off that and cost magicka. Have more stamina and weapon damage? Then it will scale off that and cost stamina.
The difference between the stam dk and stam sorc is, I don't mind if the DK doesn't get one. I still have stamina morphs of unstable flame and fiery breath, which are actually pretty useful. I can also use S+B because this class is decent at staying alive. With stam sorc I feel like you have to go all out or nothing.

GreenSoup2HoT · December 2015

@OGLezard

I've heard player's say Flurry is unaffected, Is this not true?

Why would Zos make an enchant to buff an ability after a second use? This is why i'm unsure if the enchant can be applied for Flurry.

My knowledge base for these 1h Maelstrom weapon's is pretty limited at this point. No one really use's them.

AlnilamE · December 2015

Threads like this make me wish they had not removed soft caps and created stamina morphs for class abilities.

OGLezard · December 2015

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@OGLezard

I've heard player's say Flurry is unaffected, Is this not true?

Why would Zos make an enchant to buff an ability after a second use? This is why i'm unsure if the enchant can be applied for Flurry.

My knowledge base for these 1h Maelstrom weapon's is pretty limited at this point. No one really use's them.

I use them :P but only because I hate playing how streamers say to play which 98% of this player base love to do (i.e. play how streamers say to play).

Flurry is a single target DoT classified skill. The weapon in question buffs the next single target DoT ability which flurry is.

As for the bolded part, ZoS lets Wrecking Blow buff itself soooooooooo

I55UE5 · December 2015

I have honestly thought since day 1, this game should have 3 morphs for all class skills.

This would open up possibilities to more skills having stamina morphs, as well as morph diversity for players using skills for different utilities.

I think they need to worry less about morphs doing the same general thing/animation as the main skill, and worry more about offering skill diversity.

PBpsy · December 2015

Zaldan wrote: »

With a misleading title like that you should become a journalist or internet troll

These days can people even tell the difference between those two anymore?

MrGigglypants · December 2015

It's part of class trade offs. The dps is what matters at the end of the day. You could argue for a flame lash stam morpH though. Sorcs are used to not having a class spam ability.

LBxFinalDeath · December 2015

I'm alright with it.

I'm more annoyed by Nightblades and Templars not having gap closers that require no targets that also have a 4 meter all around stun.

Tonnopesce · December 2015

Stamina dk have the most powerful ultimate of the game...
Is a shame that Magika dk's cannot use the SAME ultimate effectively...

PosternHouse · December 2015

Every class shouldn't have everything. Stamina DK's do just fine with Pierce Armor animation cancelling, and Unstable Flame is a nasty little stam DoT too. Stamina sorcs are doing great with Wrecking Blow. Nothing is stopping them from using a bow switch bar for Magnum Shot and Poison Injection, giving them access to a good DoT with an execution function as well as a gap creator for some Crit Rushing. Nothing's stopping sorcs from using one-hand and shield for the Pierce Armor animation cancel either.

threefarms · December 2015

Screw the sorc, I think the Templar in general needs more damage abilities.

tangy.citrus · December 2015

Lol, stam DK has the highest stam dps right now. So y u crying about these 'instant dmg abilities' or lack of?

For pvp, you would use WB anyways. I see a *** ton of NB use wb and surprise attack. The knock back is just really nice. Plus the empower it gives you is great to combo with.

dday3six · December 2015

Depends on the mode. In PVE Stamina DK can output ridiculous DPS already. Not sure a Stam Whip would actually be used in that build honestly. Admittedly I use to be a big supporter of ZOS adding it though. Stam Sorc is going to need a lot of help more than a Stamina based in class repeatable to be viable in group PVE. Both perform well in PVP.

Stamina Sorc is mostly a PVP build. Players wanted the Magicka utility of the class' skills, combined with the benefits of being a Stamina build. Utility is very handy in PVP. However it's less beneficial in PVE where engagements are more controlled.

Tamanous · December 2015

Apparently some want every class to be mechanical clones of each other while completely ignoring the reasons why differences exist currently.

Non-instant attacks hit harder. If you get an instant attack you are asking for a nerf to damage. AC'ing a 1 second wind up takes ... 1 second! Using them takes very little strategy and strategy is why they hit so hard.

How much room do you have on your bars anyway? Want to get rid of you hardest hitting ability? Want to get rid of your finisher? All for a watered down spammable ability?

Those with instant cast powers want harder hitting options. Those with hard hitting options want spam powers. If you want everything you play a different class/build because the differences in game play IS THE REASON WHY you play another class.

DaveMoeDee · December 2015

Some people won't be satisfied until all 4 classes have the exact same skills with different names and animations.

Forestd16b14_ESO · December 2015

Well DKs do need alot of buffs and reworks. Like 1/3 of our skills are DOTs and 1/3 is CC and snares and the last 1/3 are for defense and all those are really any good for PvP. DOTs are just useless cause purge and cloak and the snares and CC are negated by rapids and broken CC immunity system and the best defense in the game is either damage shields or rolling and not mitigation which is what DKs have to use.

So either give DKs and yes maybe sorcs some instant damage or maybe buff up mitigation and defense and DOTs.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · December 2015

Junkogen wrote: »

It seems like many people want every class to be essentially the same. That's what all these threads are really about. Homogenization of the classes.

Totally agree. If all classes have all things, be it an execute, spammable damage skill, gap closer, whatever, then classes become meaningless. I would be lying if a said that I think all the classes are perfectly balanced, but I also think that its frankly an impossible goal.

The best class for 1vX is not going to be the same as the best class for healing trials, or ganking, or single target DPS, and I am just fine with that. Every class has their strengths and weaknesses, and that is a good thing. I am not going to try and gank on my templar, and likely wont try to heal SO with my Stamblade. It doesn't mean that nightblades need a powerful heal or templars need an instant burst ability. If my NB and Templar feel the same, why have both in the game?

Oreyn_Bearclaw · December 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Well DKs do need alot of buffs and reworks. Like 1/3 of our skills are DOTs and 1/3 is CC and snares and the last 1/3 are for defense and all those are really any good for PvP. DOTs are just useless cause purge and cloak and the snares and CC are negated by rapids and broken CC immunity system and the best defense in the game is either damage shields or rolling and not mitigation which is what DKs have to use.

So either give DKs and yes maybe sorcs some instant damage or maybe buff up mitigation and defense and DOTs.

Just to play devils advocate (I agree that Magic DKs are in a terrible spot for PvP), this allows them to be one of the best classes for single target DPS. Playing a DoT rotation for trials and such is probably the most complicated (and fun) rotation there is but it allows for some of the highest sustained DPS. It would be a shame if they took away the classic DoT build for PvE.

J2JMC · December 2015

Asmael wrote: »

How does my SnB / 2H stam DK feel? Pretty well.

How does my 2H / SnB sorc feel? Pretty well.

Thanks for asking.

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On a more serious note, could people seriously stop trying to be stamblade? It's pretty obvious everyone want their easy spammable button when they write "spammable burst DPS", not only that, but the said ability you ask for works EXACTLY the same way as Ransack / Heroic Slash.

Magdalina wrote: »

Sorcerer doesn't have ANY instant damage attacks actually And I do feel quite strongly about it but oh well. You adapt.

Tangling webs for magicka sorc. As for stam sorc...

Like I said: people want their own Surprise attack. Tell me what would be the point of WB, Ransack, Flurry and Heroic Slash if all classes had everything? What would be the point of weapons at all?

You're just another nightblade trying to derail the thread and protect your class

/s