anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, fine, whatever, but none of this explains the logic behind people being allowed to rezz in IC in a gated campaign. (I feel kinda parrot-ish, how come... ?)

I explained precisely that.
They are allowed to remain there because they can't get removed from a place they paid to be allowed in.

Lenikus wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, fine, whatever, but none of this explains the logic behind people being allowed to rezz in IC in a gated campaign. (I feel kinda parrot-ish, how come... ?)

I explained precisely that.
They are allowed to remain there because they can't get removed from a place they paid to be allowed in.

I explained precisely why your explanation isn't valid.
People could NOT complain that they cannot access content they've paid for because they could still access it on a non-gated campaign.

They need to either remove TV stone loss, or give everyone faction-exclusive access. Everyone I know hates IC because of the ganking. Spare me your cries and ridicule. I am a hardcore PvP'er in this game, but I can't stand trolling and the cheap-shot behavior this game seems to nurture if not outright promote.

If you wanna come fight me, come do it. If you can beat me in a fair fight, hats off to your skill and build. But IC has nothing to do with that.

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

They need to either remove TV stone loss, or give everyone faction-exclusive access. Everyone I know hates IC because of the ganking. Spare me your cries and ridicule. I am a hardcore PvP'er in this game, but I can't stand trolling and the cheap-shot behavior this game seems to nurture if not outright promote.

If you wanna come fight me, come do it. If you can beat me in a fair fight, hats off to your skill and build. But IC has nothing to do with that.

Fair fights are a fantasy.

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

RapturousRex wrote: »

Fair fights are a fantasy.

This is a fantasy game!

But I think "no fights" should be one option among several, if fair fights are impossible.

There are enough PvE zones and future DLC for 'no fight' options. Keep this one a PvP DLC (as it was intended)

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

They need to either remove TV stone loss, or give everyone faction-exclusive access. Everyone I know hates IC because of the ganking. Spare me your cries and ridicule. I am a hardcore PvP'er in this game, but I can't stand trolling and the cheap-shot behavior this game seems to nurture if not outright promote.

If you wanna come fight me, come do it. If you can beat me in a fair fight, hats off to your skill and build. But IC has nothing to do with that.

IC is not your cup of tea. You could have just said "I don't like the risk vs reward system in IC, so I won't participate."

I don't like asparagus, so I don't have an opinion on how it should be cooked. Get the point?

Digerati wrote: »

I don't like asparagus, so I don't have an opinion on how it should be cooked. Get the point?

How about : I love asparagus but the way they're cooked in this restaurant makes them disgusting and potentially toxic, thus I suggest a different recipe ?
Get the point ?

PLEASE NOTE that @josh.lackey_ESO is a hardcore PvPer who loathes IC, and that I am a pure-blood PVEer who enjoys IC, with or without opponents, with or without gankers.
It would be wise, if we all want to have a constructive discussion, to stop considering all PvPers like "cowrd-NB-stealth-gankers" and inversely, all PvEers like "self-entitled-carebears".
We're merely discussing the pros and cons of a temporarily PvP-free IC and how to "earn" it for a few hours, in a way that makes sense in terms of efforts/rewards.
If you don't like the idea of a PvP-free IC, you have several non gated campaigns at your disposal, just go there, problem solved.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lenikus wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, fine, whatever, but none of this explains the logic behind people being allowed to rezz in IC in a gated campaign. (I feel kinda parrot-ish, how come... ?)

I explained precisely that.
They are allowed to remain there because they can't get removed from a place they paid to be allowed in.

I explained precisely why your explanation isn't valid.
People could NOT complain that they cannot access content they've paid for because they could still access it on a non-gated campaign.

Digerati wrote: »

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

They need to either remove TV stone loss, or give everyone faction-exclusive access. Everyone I know hates IC because of the ganking. Spare me your cries and ridicule. I am a hardcore PvP'er in this game, but I can't stand trolling and the cheap-shot behavior this game seems to nurture if not outright promote.

If you wanna come fight me, come do it. If you can beat me in a fair fight, hats off to your skill and build. But IC has nothing to do with that.

IC is not your cup of tea. You could have just said "I don't like the risk vs reward system in IC, so I won't participate."

I don't like asparagus, so I don't have an opinion on how it should be cooked. Get the point?

J2JMC wrote: »

Look at all the threads of pvp players complaining about not being able to pvp in wrothg...Nvm

I'm kind of curious as to how many keeps OP captured and defended that he feels entitled to a pvp free IC experience. I'm going to bet a grand total of zero.

What about content pvers paid for? Shouldn't they be entitled to stones and IC? Currently, there is no way for pvers to get stones outside IC. Shouldnt they be entitled to complete the pve portions of IC without feeling pressured or worry about pvp? Gated access should allow them to do it safely when their faction has won the rights to control IC. None of this lets keep alt NB in sewers and gank the *** out of low levels. If pvpers don't like the idea of true faction lock they can go to one of the other 3 campaigns. Plenty of real pvp there. I've made over 200k stones from pvp sewers in haderus and azura. No reason to exploit gated access to get stones from pvers.

I've logged hundred of hours topside cyrodil. So yeah to answer your question, I've defended and taken many keeps since launch. I was trying to lvl a new toon. I can't stomach another round of cadwells so you can imagine my surprise when I was ganked by a vr16 NB who was exploiting this gated access mechanic. Hence my post to try and get it changed. I now understand pvers frustration.

Reverb wrote: »

This thread really makes me want to convince some blue and red guilds to rehome on Belharza. That anybody has illusions of an IC instance being "safe" is a travesty that must be corrected.

Yeah...

The saga continues...

Digerati wrote: »

Give the carebears their own cyrodiil... No possibility of skyshards, alliance points, TVs, or monster trophies. you may grind and get all your achievements and even get the set pieces from the dark anchors.

Enjoy the content, not the rewards.

No set bonuses either. Just a fluffy bunny costume.

Digerati wrote: »

If you get PvP-free IC, they must remove TVs and trophies, otherwise it devalues those items significantly.

What have trophies got to do with it... ?

You can farm trophies "in peace" in IC, even with PvP... if I get ganked/killed the trophies remain with me... and frankly getting killed in the districts is no big deal : you're back in a second.

I think even if there was a pvp-free instance of IC I would still farm trophies in pvp-enabled IC. I like the sneaking, the thrill, the risk. It's the only place in the entire game where I can find real small scale PvP that I like, with the possibility to use the environment (walls, mobs..) to my advantage (or not if I mess up ) . Admittedly I get killed more often than not but I'm getting better over time, and the good thing is : if i get killed, there are little to no consequences : I simply respawn on the balcony. And if I win, I have a great satisfaction : it means I'm not doing that bad ! :-) I have great memories of 1v1 in districts that lasted over 10 minutes and were really great, whether I won or not. (Admittedly, after such a long fight, you're VERY happy if you win ;-) )

@Digerati , I tend to reply to your posts more than to others, no sure why, but that doesn't mean that I disagree with you on everything. I think that in general people should put things more into perspective and see those discussions as an exchange of points of view rather than a "fight". (The "you" in the following does not refer to you personally but to "people" in general)

- The person who ganked you in IC is not necessarily a griefing stealthing NB. It could just as well be me, poor PvE based sorc trying to have fun in a 1v1. Fight me back, you can win, believe me.

- Don't overestimate your TV stones. They're very little use anyway, there's nothing in the game that you can buy with TV stones that you can't buy with gold anyway. Trophies matter more, and you keep those no matter what.

- Scared PvE-ers aren't necessarily "entitled". They're scared, because PvP when you're not used to it is brutal and scary. It took me a while not to be overly frustrated and react appropriately (emotionally) to dying in PvP (instead of overreacting).

- People should remember that the key reward is "fun", not TV stones or whatever. If PvEers have no fun farming in a PvP-enabled instance of IC, why not let them have a pvp-free one ? That's not going to hurt you, is it ?

I truly dislike the way PvEers and PvPers talk to each other in threads such as this one. I appreciate ZOS trying to mix the two worlds together but I start wondering if it's not pure utopia and if we would not be better off having completely separate playgrounds in the game.

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anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Digerati wrote: »

If you get PvP-free IC, they must remove TVs and trophies, otherwise it devalues those items significantly.

What have trophies got to do with it... ?

You can farm trophies "in peace" in IC, even with PvP... if I get ganked/killed the trophies remain with me... and frankly getting killed in the districts is no big deal : you're back in a second.

I think even if there was a pvp-free instance of IC I would still farm trophies in pvp-enabled IC. I like the sneaking, the thrill, the risk. It's the only place in the entire game where I can find real small scale PvP that I like, with the possibility to use the environment (walls, mobs..) to my advantage (or not if I mess up ) . Admittedly I get killed more often than not but I'm getting better over time, and the good thing is : if i get killed, there are little to no consequences : I simply respawn on the balcony. And if I win, I have a great satisfaction : it means I'm not doing that bad ! :-) I have great memories of 1v1 in districts that lasted over 10 minutes and were really great, whether I won or not. (Admittedly, after such a long fight, you're VERY happy if you win ;-) )

@Digerati , I tend to reply to your posts more than to others, no sure why, but that doesn't mean that I disagree with you on everything. I think that in general people should put things more into perspective and see those discussions as an exchange of points of view rather than a "fight". (The "you" in the following does not refer to you personally but to "people" in general)

- The person who ganked you in IC is not necessarily a griefing stealthing NB. It could just as well be me, poor PvE based sorc trying to have fun in a 1v1. Fight me back, you can win, believe me.

- Don't overestimate your TV stones. They're very little use anyway, there's nothing in the game that you can buy with TV stones and you can all buy it with gold anyway. Trophies matter more, and you keep those no matter what.

- Scared PvE-ers aren't necessarily "entitled". They're scared, because PvP when you're not used to it is brutal and scary. It took me a while not to be overly frustrated and react appropriately (emotionally) to dying in PvP (instead of overreacting).

I truly dislike the way PvEers and PvPers talk to each other in threads such as this one. I appreciate ZOS trying to mix the two worlds together but I start wondering if it's not pure utopia and if we would not be better off having completely separate playgrounds in the game.

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+5

Resipsa131 wrote: »

I just had to throw my 2 cents in, I am other than grinding in the sewers a PvE player. However I love the anxiety of soloing around in the sewers carrying a 4 times multiplier not knowing if I'm going to get ganked. Sometimes you lose othertimes you win and kill the ganker. or evade the ganker. The anxiety is actually an enjoyable aspect of IC Sewer grinding. I think OP was just misunderstanding the lock system.

Pretty much this.

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Taking your hard earned stones brings me joy and that's all that matters

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Exactly the type of behaviour and attitude that is horrible. But that's what you like, isn't it ? You like being "bad" and "powerful" ? I mean, you don't care about stones... you don't care about fight... you don't care about skills... you don't care about competition... but you care about making others frustrated... right ?
(poor you ;-) )