Nice fights! Enjoyed the video (:

blabafat wrote: »

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Fun video, good fights.

One thing that does annoy me is how selectively you edited the fight which started at 6:00 in your video. You showed 40s of it, ending with your victory. That was actually a really good fight which lasted about 5 minutes in total with several near wipes on both sides. Lots of maneuvering on both sides, and much ground was covered. It also doesn't show, because of your perspective, the numbers on both sides nor the relative situation on the map. I was in the blue group (k-hole) and remember the fight well.

Ishammael wrote: »

Fun video, good fights.

One thing that does annoy me is how selectively you edited the fight which started at 6:00 in your video. You showed 40s of it, ending with your victory. That was actually a really good fight which lasted about 5 minutes in total with several near wipes on both sides. Lots of maneuvering on both sides, and much ground was covered. It also doesn't show, because of your perspective, the numbers on both sides nor the relative situation on the map. I was in the blue group (k-hole) and remember the fight well.

First of all, Cross was the one who edited it. I told him to include the whole fight but after editing the video he told me it was too long. From past experiences, we both have learned that it's best not to go past 10 minutes on a Youtube video. Second, the whole fight we had 9 Divines in the fight and only at the end one more came. Third, whenever you guys engaged the AD pugz, I purposely didn't charge in on you guys and allowed you to position yourself and in fact I would allow you guys to throw the first punch. From what I heard, you guys had 11 K-Hole members that fight. If you pay close attention, the pugz at the end didn't do much. End of story we won the fight and considering that this was only my third time running a group after the reset, not having our group optimized to go against the top guilds (hence how cross didn't even use aoes and didn't even have proxi), and pretty much being a new guild, you guys had the odds in favor.

No one with the right of mind would call a new guild to a GvG on their first day running a group with half of the group being lowbies and having only 3 proxis out of 11 magicka builds in the group. I have every intention to *** on keiryan and rhage and it felt good wiping you guys multiple times that day. Like I said, once we are ready, you guys will get your GvG.

Might have been 11 in group, but they were not all k-hole, and they were not all there:) Im pretty sure we were 8 right there. Was a really good fight though!:)

Nice vid! Welcome back.

Ishammael wrote: »

One thing that does annoy me is how selectively you edited the fight which started at 6:00 in your video. You showed 40s of it, ending with your victory. That was actually a really good fight which lasted about 5 minutes in total with several near wipes on both sides. Lots of maneuvering on both sides, and much ground was covered. It also doesn't show, because of your perspective, the numbers on both sides nor the relative situation on the map. I was in the blue group (k-hole) and remember the fight well.

Nocturnus Oscuro the real MVP that fight

Nice vid, good coordination, lots of fun action. Kind of off topic, but, how did the Templar get 30K health and magicka? My Templar would so love that. I am guessing it has to do with prismatic enchants but what else?

Keiryan wrote: »

lol.. so much salt.
Nice video though. I personally like this fight against you guys that fengrush recorded

http://www.twitch.tv/fengrush/v/30349693


At 1:36:00 - 1:40:00ish

That one where it took you and 40 other AD stacked with emp over 15 minutes to coordinate with each other to take a keep from us. That was classic.

And who cares how new your guild is, you're all experienced players that started in our guild and most of us learned how to lead from myself or Moon? You ran before way in the summer, it sounds like the only thing you can bring to a GvG is excuses..
New characters? Fine, I'll play my templar without proxi, that should even the odds.

http://www.twitch.tv/fengrush/v/30349693

Starting around 3:07:00 and again at 3:35:00-3:45:00.

So eloquently commentated by Fengrush

Mrs_Quietus wrote: »

Keiryan wrote: »

lol.. so much salt.
Nice video though. I personally like this fight against you guys that fengrush recorded

http://www.twitch.tv/fengrush/v/30349693


At 1:36:00 - 1:40:00ish

That one where it took you and 40 other AD stacked with emp over 15 minutes to coordinate with each other to take a keep from us. That was classic.

And who cares how new your guild is, you're all experienced players that started in our guild and most of us learned how to lead from myself or Moon? You ran before way in the summer, it sounds like the only thing you can bring to a GvG is excuses..
New characters? Fine, I'll play my templar without proxi, that should even the odds.

http://www.twitch.tv/fengrush/v/30349693

Starting around 3:07:00 and again at 3:35:00-3:45:00.

So eloquently commentated by Fengrush

Wait wait wait, you guys are using Fengrush as a reliable resource? The guy that zergs serfs and then complains about zerging, the guy that has a pocket healer while 1vXing and calls himself a 1vXer, the guy that jumps into a zerg and then complains about being zerged, and the guy that complains about cheese builds while running a cheese build himself. Sorry, I can't take that guy serious even though at times he does say the right things. Oh, and the guy that used to *** talk you being the healer in our group back in 1.6.

The DC out class the AD?! lmao come on fen... That's the most bold statement someone can ever make.
I can upload a video of me 1v2 keiryan and sphinx right now if you'd like lmao. Oh and lyric remember the duels? Let's not jump to conclusion here.

Keiryan wrote: »

lol.. so much salt.
Nice video though. I personally like this fight against you guys that fengrush recorded

http://www.twitch.tv/fengrush/v/30349693


At 1:36:00 - 1:40:00ish

That one where it took you and 40 other AD stacked with emp over 15 minutes to coordinate with each other to take a keep from us. That was classic.

And who cares how new your guild is, you're all experienced players that started in our guild and most of us learned how to lead from myself or Moon? You ran before way in the summer, it sounds like the only thing you can bring to a GvG is excuses..
New characters? Fine, I'll play my templar without proxi, that should even the odds.

Btw you should let Prett lead because he clearly is a better leader than you. We had a better fight with him leading than you.

The salt sustain passive is real.... i should go post more videos and hope my thread gets this salty next time.... =/ why no one give me salt like this?

Lol if wiping us once in a 20 minute span when we're fighting 3 to 1 odds is considered farming us then I've been doing it wrong all this time. Still no mention of that GvG challenge acceptance though.. all I saw was retorts that had nothing to do with the topic :?

I need whatever you're on to keep me in such a constant state of disillusion. Seems like by your multiple heated posts that I'm getting to you even more then I planned.. lead into a forum choke point just as hard as one in Cyrodiil lulz

Man, I kinda feel like I'm sitting between two arguing uncles at Applebee's-- the whole restaurant is decked out in over-saturated Christmas lights; no one here is merry for real-- and it's a tough lil yuletide fiasco because I love my uncles, they both taught me a lot about whatever sport it is that uncles enjoy, and they're both almost right in their furious sporting discussion except they're both a bit too angry (and half-on-the-slant from nasty draft Yuengling) to really drive their points home, argument wise.

So I'm stabbing at my Applebee's salad, kind of a dozy "swoosh" to my forking technique, every stab at wilted lettuce a sigh. I'm thinking about how the topics getting hashed out tonight are pretty much all less malevolent than they might currently appear, and I'm also wondering why I had to ask the waiter if I could get the house salad without the fried shrimp; are they gonna charge me $14.95 for it anyway?

Keiryan wrote: »

lol.. so much salt.
Nice video though. I personally like this fight against you guys that fengrush recorded

http://www.twitch.tv/fengrush/v/30349693


At 1:36:00 - 1:40:00ish

That one where it took you and 40 other AD stacked with emp over 15 minutes to coordinate with each other to take a keep from us. That was classic.

The embedded video thing here isn't showing the clip you're talking about, so I had to jump to 1:36:00 in all of them to find it (and then 3:15:00 or so for the Ash fight); didn't want to weigh in without watching the tapes. I'm a slave to the truth, Uncle K! It's the December 17 video if anyone else has this issue.

There are two key notions here that I think are off-base, considering both my own actions in that fight, and the substantial video evidence that was recorded by a neutral-ish (but endlessly complaining) third party: "40 other AD stacked", and "coordinated to take a keep from us".

I have no idea how many AD were there; I think we're on the same page that 99% of the time, number disputes are goofy as hell. We make jokes about that, yeah? There were more AD groups at Ash than DC groups, for sure. Dan had a Divines + TM mashup group, I had a Fantasia group with a few members of Relentless Order in the mix, and there was puggage. DD showed up later on and sieged down the wall from the mine. Blues had KH, some puggage, Fengrush crit rushing into new situations to complain about, and a small group of nightblades with roleplayer names. AD had the numbers there, no doubt, and that is not what I find umbrage with in this yuletide portrait of fantasy combat.

Instead: You think we were stacked?!?! Brotherrrr, I know you were paying more attention than that. There's one instance in that video where Dan's group and my group are hitting you at the same time (unless I missed another one while I fast-forwarded beyond some of that dude's "why can't I 1vX right now" tirades); that stack happened along the rock wall north of the mine, whereabouts one of my healers took an emergency afk a few minutes earlier and got iced, and meanwhile I have 5fps the whole push and crave death. The rest of the time, our groups are making an effort not to stack on each other, because that is a garbage way to play, and it is unsatisfying.

Our coordination was this: one group pushes / is pushed upon, and the other group cuts off the exit. Usually mine, because I do want to fall on the sword here and let you know that was my idea. But I'm not even talking, like, a proper flank here; not a two-pronged attack, anything like that. I'm running interference. My play was to figure out the most appealing fallback trajectory for K-Hole in a given skirmish, circle my group around, and make that route of escape unappealing.

Your guild's most unique advantage, in my eyes, is that you are always able to retreat to a more favorable position to regroup or get rezzes. I was grateful for a test run at mitigating that advantage, albeit under lopsided laboratory conditions. Plus, my guild was the greener of the organized AD groups at the Fort Ash War Crime Christmas Cuss-a-Long, and we got a lot better with our movement after that bizarre fight.

You were outnumbered, yeah, but I know you, and I'd wager that before it got really frustrating, you were digging how weird and intense the situation was. I don't think it's fair to act like we were stacking on you, like smushing all our guys on top of your guys and spamming impulse and yelling "THORNBLADE!!!". I mean, c'mon. It's a huge open field area, and your people could rez at the keep until the last couple minutes of the fight, when the one guild that actually loves to siege stuff showed up.

Which brings us to a rollicking climax at the second point: "coordinate to take a keep from us." I feel like you were definitely provoked here to fire back with some shade, and I'm not cool with that provocation at all, but you are nonetheless painting a picture of Dan's guys (and mine), like, incompetently attempting to siege a keep and slipping on banana peels and farting and such until we finally throw down a Mercenary Contract to take the wall down. That's not accurate either.

Because if the machination here was something like "yo man, let's coordinate to take this keep because taking keeps is so good man, I love 2 take keeps so much & I dream about trebs all day, except please help me take keep", wouldn't we stack 20 of them and burn that thing down? You'd hit us on the siege line, yeah, but we'd all be stacked there, right? The entirety of us? In a stack attack? The keep flags in the last 10 minutes of the video. At that point, Fengrush is definitely still gap closing into our mobile AD groups when Ash finally lights up. Some of us did some sieging, I am sure of that; it was clearly not a priority, though, or something that we kept getting rekt in the process of doing until one fateful Christmas stack.

We all spent 30 minutes running around in a weird, sprawling brawl, because this game is a giant playground laden with treacherous shards of glass in the sand, and we have to make our own fun. I mean, the fight even kind of had its own secret ruleset. That's pretty cool. I don't even remember what happened after the breach; the interesting part was the protracted team deathmatch outside, where we could all pretty much res up forever. AD reviving on the ground, you respawning at the keep. I don't see the fight as ending in a victory for anyone, or illustrating anybody's scrubbiness. The way I see it, you two should be making out with each other in gratitude for the chance to have such an absurd and memorable battle.

dantator wrote: »

Take the keep? Mwhahahaha!!! Ask Josh he can tell you what I said before farming you guys at that keep. "Lets farm the *** out of K-Hole."

Definitely backing you up that taking the keep was neither the goal nor something that sounded remotely fun to either of us. I can't agree that it was a farm, though, because we were fighting top tier opponents that were playing extremely well; I picture a farm as an endless wave of pugs rushing into a tower, feeding a d-tick, y'know? They got kills, we got kills, back and forth forever. It was a really unique battle, something I'll remember for a long time, but it bums me out to see people paint it as either a blobfest (which I think it did eventually become, but only at the very end when the siege guild showed up), or a situation where anyone got rekt or embarrassed. It was just a weird, badass, chaotic, old school fight. One that could use a lot more kissing right about now