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Do you think PvE players deserve access to alliance war skills?
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daemonios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsYes, I think they do deserve access to alliance war skills. And guess what - they CAN get them. Just have to PvP. Just like PvP players can access Undaunted/Mages Guild/Fighters Guild skills by doing the respective content.
There is NO skill in the game that is absolutely necessary, with the possible exception of Vigor for some stamina builds, and that's just if you want to do Maelstrom. So go PvP to get Vigor. All other skills can be replaced by others from another skill line.1 -
RatedChaotic✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsAll pve content is doable without those skill lines.
Who knows some players might have never thought about pvp before and going for those skills and pvping showed them a new type of game they didnt know existed.1 -
BalticBlues✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlessly
THIS. Forcing PVE players into PVP always has been a bad idea.You can grind all the undaunted ranks in a matter of weeks.
The Alliance War skills take MONTHS of PVP tedium that most players simply can't STAND.
Currently, V16 glyphs and essential skills are locked behind PVP.
Only the PVP folks are happy about that to get easy kills.
And now the PVP folks even get the best PVE gear without doing PVE.
The PVP folks can play what they like.
The PVE folks are forced to play what they don't like.
This is not how a game should work.
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Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsBalticBlues wrote: »
THIS. Forcing PVE players into PVP always has been a bad idea.You can grind all the undaunted ranks in a matter of weeks.
The Alliance War skills take MONTHS of PVP tedium that most players simply can't STAND.
Currently, V16 glyphs and essential skills are locked behind PVP.
Only the PVP folks are happy about that to get easy kills.
And now the PVP folks even get the best PVE gear without doing PVE.
The PVP folks can play what they like.
The PVE folks are forced to play what they don't like.
This is not how a game should work.
Do you have selective reading addon enabled?
Tell me how I rank up all my weapon, class, armor, fighter's guild and crafting skills in pvp without it taking MONTHS.
Also tell me how I get meteor from pvp.
Gear is irrelevant. Gear should not equate to skills. Plus you can already get pvp gear as it's not BoP.3 -
Yaewinn✭✭✭✭✭
✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsBalticBlues wrote: »
THIS. Forcing PVE players into PVP always has been a bad idea.You can grind all the undaunted ranks in a matter of weeks.
The Alliance War skills take MONTHS of PVP tedium that most players simply can't STAND.
Currently, V16 glyphs and essential skills are locked behind PVP.
Only the PVP folks are happy about that to get easy kills.
And now the PVP folks even get the best PVE gear without doing PVE.
The PVP folks can play what they like.
The PVE folks are forced to play what they don't like.
This is not how a game should work.
Whatever you drink or smoke....stop it.1 -
daemonios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsBalticBlues wrote: »
THIS. Forcing PVE players into PVP always has been a bad idea.You can grind all the undaunted ranks in a matter of weeks.
The Alliance War skills take MONTHS of PVP tedium that most players simply can't STAND.
Currently, V16 glyphs and essential skills are locked behind PVP.
Only the PVP folks are happy about that to get easy kills.
And now the PVP folks even get the best PVE gear without doing PVE.
The PVP folks can play what they like.
The PVE folks are forced to play what they don't like.
This is not how a game should work.
PvP players need to hunt down lore books for mages guild skills, notably meteor.
PvP players need to kill daedra to get fighters guild skills, notably dawnbreaker and camo hunter.
PvP players need to run dungeons and do pledges to get undaunted skills, notably... well, just the passives, really
PvE players can get glyphs/runes from guild stores without even touching PvP.
The only thing about what you said that I can agree with is that the NPC monster set vendor is a terrible idea. Want the gear, do the grind.0 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyLava_Croft wrote: »PvE players have access to Alliance War skills.
Same as PvPer's got access to monster helms, right?
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✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »PvE players have access to Alliance War skills.
Same as PvPer's got access to monster helms, right?
I have a hunch PvPers mostly do not give a !@#$% about monster helms.0 -
xericdx✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsI say No and I am a PVE who would love to unlock a few PVP skills.
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Exactly.cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »PvE players have access to Alliance War skills.
Same as PvPer's got access to monster helms, right?
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Zinaroth✭✭✭✭✭
✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsNo. Just like PvPers shouldn't have access to Monster sets through PvP content. If they want the sets they will have to PvE, if PvEers want the skill lines they will have to PvP.Should we have all the Undaunted skills without having to do dungeons?
Should we have all the Fighters Guild skills available without having to do the missions then grind Dolmens?
Should we have all the Mages Guild skill available without having to do the missions then hunting for books?
Should we have access to all the Vampire and Werewolf skills without having to become them?
Should we have access to all the weapons and armor skills without having to use them?
Should we all have access to Monster sets without farming the dungeons?cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
Yeah, PvPers loves to whine about having to do PvE but when PvErs don't want to PvP they love to be the hypocrites and tell them to do something they don't want to do.
The truth in writing, right there.Edited by Zinaroth on December 26, 2015 4:39PM0 -
Caught between yes & other, so not voted..
reason being they need to either make it so the pvp skills arent usable/useful in pve or they need to give access to them without the mindless pvp grind.
As for those pvpers saying they should give access to undaunted skill lines for pvp - what exactly is it you need from the undaunted skill line? (note im talking about skills not gear here)0 -
NinjaApacHe✭✭✭✭Other - (Explain)I signed for other:
I think PVE players should play PVP to get that line, but that line should be account-wise. So you just have to level one character to have that line on all your toons.
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Chrlynsch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think that their should be alternatives to grinding unwanted content in order to get rewards that your looking for. Just because others "had to do it" is not an excuse to keep things the way we want.
I cringe the just thinking about having to take all of my characters through all the PvE content in order to level up undaunted. So I haven't.
Just as many pve folk hate the idea of pvping to level up their alliances war.
The pve gear vendor is a welcome change. Remember we can trade AP for gear, and also gold. So this is win for pvp and pve.
I would be fine if Undaunted and alliance war were account wide. Or if we had a way to level it like other skills lines... with xp from slotting and using. Or a way to trade pve currency for alliances war influence.
BOP shouldn't be a thing, for pvp or pve gear. This was nice in the times where I could trade my pvp gear for gold and take that gold and buy my pve gear that I use in pvp.
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Nighn_9✭✭✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyOkay so then with this being said... pvp players should not have access to any skills except alliance war skills. there have fun u pvp'ers1 -
Wollust✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsOkay so then with this being said... pvp players should not have access to any skills except alliance war skills. there have fun u pvp'ers
Stupid argument, because we earn the access by doing the boring grinds. No one says PvEers should not have access to PvP skills. Just earn them accordingly, and you are more than welcome to use them.
Btw, weapon and class skills are not PvE or PvP bound. Your argument is quite bad. Maybe think the next time you post something
Oh and about the monster sets: I wouldn't mind doing the dungeons if that means I'll get the stuff together I need at some point. I do however mind the ridiculous and stupid RNG we have for these sets. Heck, I have done hundreds of dungeons runs and hundreds of pledges since 1.7 hit, just to get failed 99% of the time by the RNG. For me, the vendor doesn't mean ZoS is comforting the PvPers (can buy them with gold as well, so no idea why some people are so butthurt about the vendor?), it means they are trying to fix their crappy RNG grind thingy. There would be better solutions, like in-dungeon loot trading or a tokensystem, but I definetely prefer a vendor instead of having to run the same dungeons hundreds of time, as it is now. And this comes from someone who does both PvP and PvE.Edited by Wollust on December 26, 2015 8:16PMSusano'o
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NoMoreChillies✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyplease let me level Alliance ranks killing Daedra in Imperial City.Insulting people on the internet is cowardly.0 -
KramUzibra✭✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyYou can have alliance war skills if I don't have to PvE to get your equipment.
The last eso live they said they are putting a monster helm/shoulder merchant in cyrodiil. That means pvp only players can pay money or alliance points for the helms and shoulders. It's only fair that the pve only players get those skills in return.0 -
KramUzibra✭✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyDannyLV702 wrote: »Ok then can I get monster helmets and shoulders on my rewards of the worthy too?
Eso live has already said they are going to place a monster helm/shoulder merchant in cyrodiil and they will be purchasable by money or ap.0 -
KramUzibra✭✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyNo. Just like PvPers shouldn't have access to Monster sets through PvP content. If they want the sets they will have to PvE, if PvEers want the skill lines they will have to PvP.Should we have all the Undaunted skills without having to do dungeons?
Should we have all the Fighters Guild skills available without having to do the missions then grind Dolmens?
Should we have all the Mages Guild skill available without having to do the missions then hunting for books?
Should we have access to all the Vampire and Werewolf skills without having to become them?
Should we have access to all the weapons and armor skills without having to use them?
Should we all have access to Monster sets without farming the dungeons?cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
Yeah, PvPers loves to whine about having to do PvE but when PvErs don't want to PvP they love to be the hypocrites and tell them to do something they don't want to do.
The truth in writing, right there.
Eso is putting a monster helm merchant in cyrodiil!0 -
KramUzibra✭✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyBalticBlues wrote: »
THIS. Forcing PVE players into PVP always has been a bad idea.You can grind all the undaunted ranks in a matter of weeks.
The Alliance War skills take MONTHS of PVP tedium that most players simply can't STAND.
Currently, V16 glyphs and essential skills are locked behind PVP.
Only the PVP folks are happy about that to get easy kills.
And now the PVP folks even get the best PVE gear without doing PVE.
The PVP folks can play what they like.
The PVE folks are forced to play what they don't like.
This is not how a game should work.
PvP players need to hunt down lore books for mages guild skills, notably meteor.
PvP players need to kill daedra to get fighters guild skills, notably dawnbreaker and camo hunter.
PvP players need to run dungeons and do pledges to get undaunted skills, notably... well, just the passives, really
PvE players can get glyphs/runes from guild stores without even touching PvP.
The only thing about what you said that I can agree with is that the NPC monster set vendor is a terrible idea. Want the gear, do the grind.
For your fighters guild you got Dolhems and imperial city.0 -
Lenikus✭✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsCan't we just sit down, and realize that this thread says :
Give people the benefits of a war veteran without them actually enlisting to the army.
And move on ?... Mai cave. >:35 -
pdebie64b16_ESO✭✭✭I voted no, if you want alliance skills you have to earn it by doing PvP, in modern mmo's players want everything for free if possible, the wrong motivation in my opinion. If you dont like PvP sorry for you, ESO is a pve/pvp game with skills in both trees and you know that when you started to play this game.2
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Selique✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsJust give me the werewolf and vamp skill lines. I don't want to actually "be" them though! Just unlock my undaunted line, don't make me bother with dungeons. Just unlock my mages and fighter's guild lines. To oblivion with the grinding!
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ajwest927✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsIf you do the work, then you deserve the reward, people need to stop asking for handouts1 -
Artjuh90✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyCan't we just sit down, and realize that this thread says :
Give people the benefits of a war veteran without them actually enlisting to the army.
And move on ?
National Guard get's them
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daemonios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsI think that their should be alternatives to grinding unwanted content in order to get rewards that your looking for. Just because others "had to do it" is not an excuse to keep things the way we want.
Let me stop you right there and exemplify where this could lead:
- "I want to go grind VR zones without finishing the main quest";
- "I want to craft 9-trait great without doing the boring research";
- "I want to dye my gear but I don't want to do the achievements";
- etc.
Yours is a valid opinion, but I honestly hope ZOS don't start introducing even more shortcuts and bastardising their game.1 -
Zinaroth✭✭✭✭✭
✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsKramUzibra wrote: »No. Just like PvPers shouldn't have access to Monster sets through PvP content. If they want the sets they will have to PvE, if PvEers want the skill lines they will have to PvP.Should we have all the Undaunted skills without having to do dungeons?
Should we have all the Fighters Guild skills available without having to do the missions then grind Dolmens?
Should we have all the Mages Guild skill available without having to do the missions then hunting for books?
Should we have access to all the Vampire and Werewolf skills without having to become them?
Should we have access to all the weapons and armor skills without having to use them?
Should we all have access to Monster sets without farming the dungeons?cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
Yeah, PvPers loves to whine about having to do PvE but when PvErs don't want to PvP they love to be the hypocrites and tell them to do something they don't want to do.
The truth in writing, right there.
Eso is putting a monster helm merchant in cyrodiil!
I know. Why are you telling me this?0 -
Decado✭✭✭✭I honestly can't believe all the Crap I've been reading recently, I came into this forum with the mind of trying to see all sides of the argument and try to keep everyone happy find the middle group etc.
But I'm finding this harder and harder to do each time I come here, and you know what it's mainly pvpers who I'm struggling with ATM, the shear level of spite and sometimes plain ignorance is astonishing,
Most of your arguments are becoming so ridiculous it's actually amusing and depressing at the same time,
Firstly to the people who are saying pvp skills should only be using on pvp or that they are not needed in pve I have to ask, have you ever actually done high end competitive pve? I'm not saying you couldn't complete the content without them (although still not sure on VMA without Vigor) you will never get the best times, I don't know any high end groups who don't run warhorn, I don't know many tanks who don't run Vigor/caltrops,
Secondly please stop comparing alliance rank grind with undaunted/mages/ fighters they are just not the same, run around pick up some books takes less than a day with an add on, kill
Some daedra same thing really quickly, undaunted takes less than a month to level up at 30 minutes a day for a slow group. Yet alliance war is no way the same, when was the FIRST ever max alliance rank player? What a year into the game? And that was dedicated pvpers who spend all there time in pvp. I wonder what fuss would be kicked up if undaunted took the same amount of time to rank us as alliance rank?
And let's not forget every major class nerf I can think of has come because of pvpers whining about certain skills, and then Ofcourse we have the biggest nerf to the game I can think of, the stamina Rejen nerf, this effected the whole game and IMO made pve tanking boring as hell and why was this? Oh yeah that's right pvpers complaining about perma blockers, and what was the point? What did a target always blocking do? Nothing just stood there doing no damage, if your not smart enough to kill his friends first and then fear him which can't be blocked well more fool you.
Honestly I'm becoming so sick and tired of all the "pvp vs pve" crap around here, grow up! It's a game
Pvpers are getting undaunted by AP, well done your constant moaning worked,
My personal opinion is that alliance real should be account bound (if same alliance) that would make people re roll
More alts/ be willing to play new characters without feeling like once they start the grind because they need the skills,
Something on this forum needs to change this spiteful crap has to end soon. We need to start working together to make this a game everyone enjoys and wants to pay for2
