Hey you.. yes YOU.. HEY!... stay TIGHT.. stick with the BALL... don't stray!!!

Winnamine · December 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

You have 8k stamina?

Literally how is that even possible.

Actually I checked IG it's not 8K it's 9.5K (doesn't make much of a difference ;-) ).
I guess that's the very strict minimum one can have : no attribute points, no enchant, no set buffs, no food in stamina.... that's 9.5K stamina (but 45K magicka ;-) )

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

I'm just sick of hearing about how easy running in large raids is from people who clearly have no clue what they're talking about. They want so hard to believe their style of play is more difficult to validate their special snowflake status.

"I don't want to change my rotation because I don't want to die." If you can't adapt your skills and build based on situation and not fail, that's on you. Any player worth a damn can succeed in more than one role.

Didn't say it was easy. Just said it was brainless and boring to me. Never said either that my playstyle was more difficult (just more fun to me), nor that I was a special snowflake. And of course I can adapt my skills and build, but I don't want to do that based on the orders of a raid leader that doesn't know anything about my build and will make me want to adopt some cookie cutter stuff. And since I solo, obviously I have attack AND resistance AND healing power.

I'm just explaining why pvping in big groups with the stack-on-crown strategy is not for me, I'm not criticizing you or any of you so I don't see why some reactions are so aggressive really.

"LOL, couldn't agree more with OP. Running in a zerg sticking to the crown is boring, annoying, feels like being a dog on a leash, and doesn't feel like PvP at all. It's only good for farming AP, just like AOE-ing zombies in grindspots is good for farming XP. But it's exactly as boring and brainless."
Yes, I'm very confused as well as to why anyone feels defensive towards you...you expressed your disinterest in group play in such a sensitive, respectful way...

If you don't like group play, then that's fine, you don't have to. Though I would say that I think you, and probably the OP as well, may not have experienced very good or fun groups. The better groups to run with usually won't take players they don't know or players who are new to pvp. Kind of the nature of the beast, the groups that are most willing to take new players have to be the most militant and strict with people because they're running a group where almost no one knows what they're doing. So you get kindergarten style leadership instead of adult, we-know-you-aren't-a-moron-so-do-your-thing style leadership.

Daveheart · December 2015

Telel wrote: »

Wow...did someone really have the bigoted ignorance to say that about the kind of people that have died so that they could post sniveling drivel about how no one respects his special snowflake status?

Empty headed spoiled brats like that need to come off of their parent's teats and go learn about real life before they call soldiers mindless, and undeserving of anything.

Rylana is right. You really don't deserve any respect.

- 100 Khajiit RP points for breaking character Telel. But good response

anitajoneb17_ESO · December 2015

@Telel
@Huckdabuck
@Daveheart

You like to insult people, don't you ?

Believe it or not (not the place to discuss "my life") my experience of the "military thing" is quite significant and field-related (not some kind of office stuff) so I happen to know what I'm talking about. I know what war is, and not from the outside. For practical reasons (not time to have decisions approved by everyone, grand scheme of things need to remain confidential, conscience issues) , soldiers do not make decisions, are not informed about the why and the how, then are just given orders which they have to obey. That's the reality of things. It doesn't mean that they have no merit, no courage, and no brains, but as a matter of fact they are required to shut it off for anything not related to their required technical skills related to their current given objective.

Why I understand that this is necessary in real life, ESO is just a freaking video game and I don't personally approve of raid leaders leading their troops that way, without explanations, exchange of ideas and some sort of group decision making process. I wasn't the one starting the comparison with the "military" here.

That said, if I have offended anyone with my previous statement, I'd like to apologize, because it wasn't meant to. However, this is a war-game so it will talk war. But it's just a game.

@Synnkar : not sure that has changed much in "modern military" but if it has, good thing.
Back to topic (game) : yes we have a wonderful playground for small scale fights and most players simply don't use it, that's a shame. Admittedly ZOS could do a little bit more in term of encouraging it, by giving small-scale objectives and rewards, and adjusting the AP scoring system accordingly.

Huckdabuck · December 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

@Telel
@Huckdabuck
@Daveheart

You like to insult people, don't you ?

Believe it or not (not the place to discuss "my life") my experience of the "military thing" is quite significant and field-related (not some kind of office stuff) so I happen to know what I'm talking about. I know what war is, and not from the outside. For practical reasons (not time to have decisions approved by everyone, grand scheme of things need to remain confidential, conscience issues) , soldiers do not make decisions, are not informed about the why and the how, then are just given orders which they have to obey. That's the reality of things. It doesn't mean that they have no merit, no courage, and no brains, but as a matter of fact they are required to shut it off for anything not related to their required technical skills related to their current given objective.

Why I understand that this is necessary in real life, ESO is just a freaking video game and I don't personally approve of raid leaders leading their troops that way, without explanations, exchange of ideas and some sort of group decision making process. I wasn't the one starting the comparison with the "military" here.

That said, if I have offended anyone with my previous statement, I'd like to apologize, because it wasn't meant to. However, this is a war-game so it will talk war. But it's just a game.

@Synnkar : not sure that has changed much in "modern military" but if it has, good thing.
Back to topic (game) : yes we have a wonderful playground for small scale fights and most players simply don't use it, that's a shame. Admittedly ZOS could do a little bit more in term of encouraging it, by giving small-scale objectives and rewards, and adjusting the AP scoring system accordingly.

Lulz. I'm sure that there are plenty of us here who have quite significant and field-related experience of the "military thing" as well. Merry Christmas.....now just go away!

anitajoneb17_ESO · December 2015

Huckdabuck wrote: »

.now just go away!

Why ?

Huckdabuck · December 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

.now just go away!

Why ?

Why not?

anitajoneb17_ESO · December 2015

Because if I stay you might give arguments and explanations instead of pure agressivity ? (Sorry if agressivity is all you have but it's not my fault). So I'll stay but I'll not answer directly to you anymore since it's non productive.

Tomato · December 2015

Learn to be a sheep like the majority of the big zerg ball guilds. Most skilled of the 6-12 man groups do not care if you stray and fight since they usually don't have scrubs in groups that can't handle themselves. This is the mentality more of the 24+ groups not the really PvP players that have actual skill.

Joy_Division · December 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

@Telel
@Huckdabuck
@Daveheart

You like to insult people, don't you ?

Believe it or not (not the place to discuss "my life") my experience of the "military thing" is quite significant and field-related (not some kind of office stuff) so I happen to know what I'm talking about. I know what war is, and not from the outside. For practical reasons (not time to have decisions approved by everyone, grand scheme of things need to remain confidential, conscience issues) , soldiers do not make decisions, are not informed about the why and the how, then are just given orders which they have to obey. That's the reality of things. It doesn't mean that they have no merit, no courage, and no brains, but as a matter of fact they are required to shut it off for anything not related to their required technical skills related to their current given objective.

Just stop. From what you have written, it is evident you don't know a damn thing about war and solidering.

anitajoneb17_ESO · December 2015

Joy_Division wrote: »

Just stop. You don't know a damn thing.

Yet another very constructive argument.

Joy_Division · December 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Just stop. You don't know a damn thing.

Yet another very constructive argument.

The Zenimax forums are not the place to discuss how wrong and absurd your opinions about war and soldiering are.

Tomato · December 2015

Joy_Division wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Just stop. You don't know a damn thing.

Yet another very constructive argument.

The Zenimax forums are not the place to discuss how wrong and absurd your opinions about war and soldiering are.

I didn't realize you worked for Zenimax and made those rules

Joy_Division · December 2015

Tomato wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Just stop. You don't know a damn thing.

Yet another very constructive argument.

The Zenimax forums are not the place to discuss how wrong and absurd your opinions about war and soldiering are.

I didn't realize you worked for Zenimax and made those rules

I don't. They make the rules and have been very consistent and vigilant about closing and deleting threads that have strayed from actual discussion about the game into stuff like real world politics.

As far as the antiajoneb's contention that "soldiers do not make decisions, are not informed about the why and the how, then are just given orders which they have to obey," that is not only utterly incorrect, but has numerous times been rejected by domestic and international judicial bodies as a defense or mitigating factor made by soldiers charged with breaking international agreements as to the conduct of war. That's all that needs to be said in this forum. This is not the place to debate the matter.

Telel · December 2015

This one does not argue with trolls. They kill them to get to the mushrooms they're guarding.

Therefore they will instead suggest we move back to the purpose of this topic. Which is either disagreeing with the original poster's attitude or being wrong.

Khajiit kids.

No one should agree with the original poster.

Also kidding.

Maybe...

Manoekin · December 2015

Telel wrote: »

Wow...did someone really have the bigoted ignorance to say that about the kind of people that have died so that they could post sniveling drivel about how no one respects his special snowflake status?

Empty headed spoiled brats like that need to come off of their parent's teats and go learn about real life before they call soldiers mindless, and undeserving of anything.

Rylana is right. You really don't deserve any respect.

100% this.

Prospering · December 2015

Synnkar wrote: »

Quick foreword: I'm in support of making some change that punishes super-tight ball groups and the brain-dead gameplay they motivate. Whether that's AoE cap removal or some other similar mechanic change, I'll leave it to the experts who think about this stuff full-time... other than to say that the solution should NOT be siege machinery. That's just plain boring.

Now onto an anecdote that left me laughing out loud... here's what's wrong with the current game in Cyro:

This is about a month ago, I'm running Cyro with a guild. In command is what sounds like a 18-24 year old (I am older) doing a decent job in general. The gameplay is boring, we all spam abilities but we are succeeding, so hey, it's OK for a short amount of time relaxing. As long as I get my occasional skilled-gameplay fix, I won't complain. So I venture outside the zerg group every now and then, find myself 2-3 person skirmishes around the keeps chasing down stragglers and have a good time.

An hour into the campaign, I get a phone call and drop the headset. We're taking a resource (the whole group is basically waiting on the flag mindlessly at this point) and, on auto-pilot, I venture away from the group and find myself in a 1v2, getting ganked. I dodge, jump, line-of-sight and do whatever to survive and eventually take them both down. What a thrill, I'm having fun. I get back on TS and here's the conversation that follows:

Leader: Synn... where are you? Hey, where are you? You hearing me Synn? Why are you over there? WHY ARE YOU OVER THERE??? Guys, we need to stay *tight*, stick with the ball, stop straying!

Me: Oh, was just getting ganked over here - ha ha ha - took em down though. Was also on the phone. Coming over.

Leader: Uhm.... Do you know why you were getting ganked? Do you? Do you? Do you know why bro?... Tell me. Come on, tell me. [Long pause]... Come on tell me bro, tell me. I'll tell you: It's because you strayed from the group...

Me: Uhm... ???? LOL. I don't even know what the #$%^ to say to that. Mind your manners first of all, know your place; I am not your child. Second, I wasn't complaining... who's to say I did not enjoy that little side skirmish? Third, WTF, we ought to be having a friendly activity, not a freaking bootcamp. @#$% this ***, good luck to y'all, I'm out.

I leave the group right away and haven't raided with that guild ever since. What I didn't say, because I didn't want to upset the folks, was: Do you even hear yourself and notice how pathetic you sound? You are basically telling your group to NOT play the game, NOT to strive to be better individual players, but instead to stay together where it's safe and hit the same button repeatedly like a brain-dead zombie all to get a bit more AP. Not only that, but you're actually actively discouraging the players who are trying to become better.. I am pretty sure I hit quite a bit above my weight in that entire session.

This makes me wonder about the mentality of mindless 12 man groups that chase me (solo) a mile away from a keep

ZOS_Alex · December 2015

Hi there, everyone.

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