PLEASE eta for vet rank removal

Genomic · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I never had a problem with vet ranks, it annoys me the fact that they are getting removed because lazy people are complaining.

You know, it's funny, because vet ranks and the associated Caldwell's G/S were hastily tacked on last minute because people were complaining they didn't get to experience the content in all factions with one character. The removal of vet ranks was/is supposed to address that, but ZOS seem to be focusing on the wrong issue.

AngryNord · December 2015

Abeille wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Silly folk, the grind is not going away just switching to champion points.

The big difference is that champion points are account-wide, while veteran ranks are not.

They should disable CP for non-level 50 characters.

AngryNord · December 2015

Dradhok wrote: »

I’ve been away from the game for a while so didn’t know this was actually going to happen. Does this mean that our VR16 toons will just be converted to lvl 66? Seems like a bit of a rip off for people that went through the grueling grind to get to VR16. Seems like there should be some CP compensation too.

No, it will be level 50. And there will be CP compensation.

leepalmer95 · December 2015

AngryNord wrote: »

Dradhok wrote: »

I’ve been away from the game for a while so didn’t know this was actually going to happen. Does this mean that our VR16 toons will just be converted to lvl 66? Seems like a bit of a rip off for people that went through the grueling grind to get to VR16. Seems like there should be some CP compensation too.

No, it will be level 50. And there will be CP compensation.

For one character yes, what about people who have more than 1 v16?

Wolfshead · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I never had a problem with vet ranks, it annoys me the fact that they are getting removed because lazy people are complaining.

Please explain to how you can see as it is lazy people that complaining the want VR system remove when ZoS themself have say that go to remove and CP system shall replace VR system just for people want to know went it is going to happen i think it is really legal question to be ask to be honest

If i reminder right ZoS say back in QuakeCon 2014 the VR system is go to be remove from the game.

leepalmer95 · December 2015

Wolfshead wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I never had a problem with vet ranks, it annoys me the fact that they are getting removed because lazy people are complaining.

Please explain to how you can see as it is lazy people that complaining the want VR system remove when ZoS themself have say that go to remove and CP system shall replace VR system just for people want to know went it is going to happen i think it is really legal question to be ask to be honest

If i reminder right ZoS say back in QuakeCon 2014 the VR system is go to be remove from the game.

It's being removed because people were complaining that vet ranks took too long because they were used to ranking up quickly in 1-50 hence why the xp required was reduced to 800k/lvl and that vet quests got a 50% exp boost, because people were complaining.

It's like they thought they should be able to be max level in a week in a mmorpg, hence why vets are going.

Lylith · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

Dradhok wrote: »

I’ve been away from the game for a while so didn’t know this was actually going to happen. Does this mean that our VR16 toons will just be converted to lvl 66? Seems like a bit of a rip off for people that went through the grueling grind to get to VR16. Seems like there should be some CP compensation too.

No, it will be level 50. And there will be CP compensation.

For one character yes, what about people who have more than 1 v16?

indeed.

Wollust · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I never had a problem with vet ranks, it annoys me the fact that they are getting removed because lazy people are complaining.

Please explain to how you can see as it is lazy people that complaining the want VR system remove when ZoS themself have say that go to remove and CP system shall replace VR system just for people want to know went it is going to happen i think it is really legal question to be ask to be honest

If i reminder right ZoS say back in QuakeCon 2014 the VR system is go to be remove from the game.

It's being removed because people were complaining that vet ranks took too long because they were used to ranking up quickly in 1-50 hence why the xp required was reduced to 800k/lvl and that vet quests got a 50% exp boost, because people were complaining.

It's like they thought they should be able to be max level in a week in a mmorpg, hence why vets are going.

You have no idea what you are talking about. It has been always planned to get rid of the vet ranks at some point. And I'm pretty sure most people with multiple VR16 are not really bothered by that. I've got 5 VR16 char and I am more than happy seeing the vet ranks gone.

Btw, you can do 1-VR16 in less than a week. It's not as if leveling vet ranks would take so long. It's just annoying and boring.

Gidorick · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I never had a problem with vet ranks, it annoys me the fact that they are getting removed because lazy people are complaining.

I so agree with this... and I actually don't particularly care for Vet Ranks. But they are better than what we are going to end up with.

Gidorick · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

Dradhok wrote: »

I’ve been away from the game for a while so didn’t know this was actually going to happen. Does this mean that our VR16 toons will just be converted to lvl 66? Seems like a bit of a rip off for people that went through the grueling grind to get to VR16. Seems like there should be some CP compensation too.

No, it will be level 50. And there will be CP compensation.

For one character yes, what about people who have more than 1 v16?

I believe the phase is "S.O.L"....

AngryNord · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

Dradhok wrote: »

I’ve been away from the game for a while so didn’t know this was actually going to happen. Does this mean that our VR16 toons will just be converted to lvl 66? Seems like a bit of a rip off for people that went through the grueling grind to get to VR16. Seems like there should be some CP compensation too.

No, it will be level 50. And there will be CP compensation.

For one character yes, what about people who have more than 1 v16?

Since CP will be account wide, the bonus will of course be available for those characters too.

AzraelKrieg · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

Dradhok wrote: »

I’ve been away from the game for a while so didn’t know this was actually going to happen. Does this mean that our VR16 toons will just be converted to lvl 66? Seems like a bit of a rip off for people that went through the grueling grind to get to VR16. Seems like there should be some CP compensation too.

No, it will be level 50. And there will be CP compensation.

For one character yes, what about people who have more than 1 v16?

If you have more than 1 v16 when the vet ranks are removed and you get compensated with CP why would it matter. If you have multiple v16s then surely you'd be pretty far into the Champ System as it was so getting an extra lot of CP from one toon wouldn't be worth complaining about.

Mettaricana · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I never had a problem with vet ranks, it annoys me the fact that they are getting removed because lazy people are complaining.

Please explain to how you can see as it is lazy people that complaining the want VR system remove when ZoS themself have say that go to remove and CP system shall replace VR system just for people want to know went it is going to happen i think it is really legal question to be ask to be honest

If i reminder right ZoS say back in QuakeCon 2014 the VR system is go to be remove from the game.

It's being removed because people were complaining that vet ranks took too long because they were used to ranking up quickly in 1-50 hence why the xp required was reduced to 800k/lvl and that vet quests got a 50% exp boost, because people were complaining.

It's like they thought they should be able to be max level in a week in a mmorpg, hence why vets are going.

Don't mistake laziness for boredom and frustration eso you do all the zones fight the big bad boss after hitting max level and then told hey your not even ready for endgame..?

Why does a mmorpg level have to take forever why can't a mmo Just level at same pace as a single player game? Why does it have to be an ordeal? There's no merit to dragging a level on for days or being forced to grind it in a remote cave. Making levels a long grind is just stupid I play games for fun theres no leader board for level grinding. No achievement no reward. I'd rather play 1-50 learn class and char and start end game after rather than redoing the same noob crap in a second and third faction for 16 more vet levels. Rather jump in pvp and do dungeons. Not be told go grind more I did the 1-vr16 grind 3 times over no it doesn't get better... nothing grind or level slogging gets better regrinding it either... Quit fooling yourselves vr 16 isn't god mode elite or an accomplishment its just reaching the end of a grind like running a race and finishing last while walking unless you quit or die you eventually get to the finish line.

Removing the vr ranks won't kill you if anything it'll fix the dead stagnant crawl in pvp and pledge running because players will be able to join up and do this crap rather than skipping it to wait til vr16.

Also before you say that they'll all be noobs or whatever look in a mirror You were that nooblet once get over it. They'll learn the ropes eventually. You'll be toting your vr 16 armor just called cp160 armor no weaker no stronger life goes on.

Hand_Bacon · December 2015

I understand the arguments for and against, as they've been stated, and I believe there are merits all around and yes, like it or not they are going.

However, the time its taken, from when they originally stated they were going to remove them, to recently (October), when they've just started talking about "the conversations" surrounding the removal process gives me pause.

I'm honestly curious about the following.

1. How many of those who were complaining about the VR's THEN are still around playing TODAY's VRs.
2. Attribute points are important. What happens to them? Are they wrapped into the discussed 10 CP achievements per character along with skill points? If so, getting those 16 attribute points would be the same as obtaining VRs, wouldn't it?
3. Is this just semantics play?
4. Am I correct in my understanding that the current supposition is that once you hit lvl 50 you'll be able to wear the top gear in the game and off you go into whatever it is you want to do? What about those attribute points and/or skill points?
5. I personally don't see VRs as a big grind. Maybe I'm missing something. I understand that they once were, but I can do a VR in a little over an hour and change. I don't remember many mmos leveling this quickly at regular levels. 1-50 in eso is insanely quick, with a pause for the harborage.

I just don't see how this is addressing any particular problem, without substituting the same thing by a different name.

I just hope they don't take something away from those who have leveled multiple chars to VR16. It would seem like they're willing to bet that those who stayed and played will put up with taking one for the team, hoping to garner favor with those who are no longer here or those that want the current status quo changed...without knowing what they'll get in return.

Maybe I just can't see it. Can somebody shed some clear light on this?

mrfrontman · December 2015

If some of the lazy ass people knew how to actually grind, they could go from 3-vr16 in 2 weeks. I've done it and it's easy as. Why do you people even care if they remove Veteran Ranks? The grind will still be there, there will still be a max level to achieve, we certainly won't be going down to level 50 from vr16 if that's what you're thinking.

Instead of complaining about things all the time, do some research and find an easier or faster way to get things done. Quit being lazy, you're already sitting on your asses, don't tell me you can't be bothered moving your hands either. If that's the case, you shouldn't be playing ESO, you should be in a mental institution.

Being lazy is in the mind. Stop thinking and just start doing.

M_TeK_9 · December 2015

ESO live also said there was a 1v1 arena way back and that never happened.

There's no point in playing my vr5 Templar now because when vr is removed my shared CP make all characters the exact same level.

Keep VR.

Artjuh90 · December 2015

alex0134781 wrote: »

People who have a life are complaining. I personally want to have 8 vet 16 characters but having a job and a family to take care of I don't have 10 hours a day to devote to a game. That's the main problem. @leepalmer95

i want to be a millionare and don't have to work.

sucks to be me

Rune_Relic · December 2015

Reverb wrote: »

alex0134781 wrote: »

People who have a life are complaining. I personally want to have 8 vet 16 characters but having a job and a family to take care of I don't have 10 hours a day to devote to a game. That's the main problem. @leepalmer95

So your argument against vet ranks boils down to "I have a life". That is disrespectful and dismissive of other players. Everybody has a life outside of the game. Many of us have families, jobs, mortgages and responsibilities. I have all of those, and multiple v16 toons. And I couldn't even imagine having time to play 10 hours per day.

You'll always be "behind" players that take the game more seriously than you do. This will still be true when vet ranks are removed, it will just have a different structure. You can't realistically expect a game to make you equal to a player that dedicates more time and effort than you do.

Neither can you expect everyone to play 24/7 to keep up with hardcore players with nothing to do exept play the game.
There has to be a sensible middle ground.
The game shouldn't be based around that 1% at one extreme ..nor the 1% at the other extreme who simply cant be bothered and want to buy everything.

Starting a debate on where that middle ground is would probably kick off some fireworks no doubt.

Sallington · December 2015

I think they are still trying to figure out how to do it without breaking the game completely.

My first reaction when I heard about them removing VRs was, "Oh great, here comes another SWG: NGE situation." My opinion hasn't changed since then. VRs are such a central part of the foundation of ESO, that I just don't think they can do it without reworking EVERYTHING and possiblly trashing the game in the process.

They've said one idea is to give gear CP requirements to equip them. So then you'd have what is basically just an XP requirement for gear at end game, instead of.... well any other gear progression you'd expect an MMO to have. If that is their best idea then I think we're screwed.

Infinite12 · December 2015

alex0134781 wrote: »

People who have a life are complaining. I personally want to have 8 vet 16 characters but having a job and a family to take care of I don't have 10 hours a day to devote to a game. That's the main problem. @leepalmer95

Lol. So they have to cater to casual players? That sucks that you can't play a lot, it really does, but vet ranks shouldn't be removed to satisfy people who can't play a lot. If you're playing a single player game and really want to know how it ends but you can't play a lot, do you then ask the developer to remove parts of the game so you can finish it quicker? This is ridiculous.

wayfarerx · December 2015

Infinite12 wrote: »

alex0134781 wrote: »

People who have a life are complaining. I personally want to have 8 vet 16 characters but having a job and a family to take care of I don't have 10 hours a day to devote to a game. That's the main problem. @leepalmer95

Lol. So they have to cater to casual players? That sucks that you can't play a lot, it really does, but vet ranks shouldn't be removed to satisfy people who can't play a lot. If you're playing a single player game and really want to know how it ends but you can't play a lot, do you then ask the developer to remove parts of the game so you can finish it quicker? This is ridiculous.

It's not just about time to play, VR is BORING. If v1 - v16 was some proving ground for your character that helped forge powerful endgame characters then things would be quite different. Instead, we're left with what people in this very thread are suggesting: burn through silver and gold then chug XP pots and YOLO AoE spam for 16 hours. Fun!

Good riddance VR.

jim_mau · December 2015

as if they would actually tell us

Tyr · December 2015

They have already told us roughly how they will deal with converting vet ranks.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2457704#Comment_2457704

Hand_Bacon · December 2015

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

We will make sure the 16 attribute picks you got from VR1 to VR16 will carry over. (current plan is an achievement that goes up in 10 CP increments until 160)

So yeah, the same as VRs, just different?

As far as VRs being boring, I can understand that, but what you want is new content then so you don't have to repeat the same stuff correct? So repeating content is the issue, not VRs.

mr_wazzabi · December 2015

phbell wrote: »

I have a life. I also have 6 characters, all vet ranked with 3 of them VR16. I play a few hours each evening and I have that time because I do not watch TV. I have played since launch and still subscribe. The removal of vet ranks makes me nervous for the simple reason that I do not see the point. I fail to see the difference of whether the level ceiling is called 66 or VR16. My question centers on how will armor, weapon, and crafting skills and mats will be handled. For example: I worked, saved and farmed hard in order to acquire VR16 gold set armor and weapons. When vet ranks are eliminated how will high level gear be handled?

The difference is all of your vet toons will be max level while with vr ranks with the new system. With the old system, your vet 1 characters cannot wear the best gear or run the hardest content.

Hand_Bacon · December 2015

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

The difference is all of your vet toons will be max level while with vr ranks with the new system. With the old system, your vet 1 characters cannot wear the best gear or run the hardest content.

Can you clarify this for me as I seem to be misunderstanding something. You are saying that with the new system characters, that are VR1 now, would be able to wear the max level gear and run the hardest content since there won't be "VR" requirement? What about those attribute points? I wonder if any VR16s today would run the hardest content without 16 of their attribute points? As that's what a VR1 will essentially be in the future, until they each earn cp achievements, or am I missing something...

wayfarerx · December 2015

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

As far as VRs being boring, I can understand that, but what you want is new content then so you don't have to repeat the same stuff correct? So repeating content is the issue, not VRs.

At the rate of about 2 vet levels worth of content per DLC, and getting one DLC per quarter, it will take ZOS about 13 years to produce enough new content to level eight characters to max level without repeating anything.

I would much rather they just remove VR next year than wait until almost 2030.

WalkingLegacy · December 2015

Richard Lambert explains some of the ideas for the Vet system going away in the last ESO live. I recommend everyone stop guessing and actually go watch his piece to get the words directly from his mouth.

https://youtu.be/3frodpmU0xo

For the gear questions: when vet goes away gear, the new/best gear will probably have a CP requirement (I hate this idea)

I hate CP period.

Hand_Bacon · December 2015

wayfarerx wrote: »

At the rate of about 2 vet levels worth of content per DLC, and getting one DLC per quarter, it will take ZOS about 13 years to produce enough new content to level eight characters to max level without repeating anything.

I would much rather they just remove VR next year than wait until almost 2030.

True enough I suppose, but that's pretty much par for the course with other mmo's. I've never had a new experience leveling alts in others, aside from character mechanics, so we are hoping that they shatter the mold and come up with something awe-inspiring. I can't argue with that.

However removing vet levels doesn't seem to remove the "grind" for 16 additional attribute and skill points per character CP achievements.

DaveMoeDee · December 2015

alex0134781 wrote: »

We know that vet ranks are gonna get removed for good. I know that many people out there aren't comfortable with grinding all the way to vet 16
(most people) and this makes the option of having alt characters less useful as days go by. Can we please have an ETA on when this is going to happen? @ZOS_GinaBruno

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Names in Thread Titles]

You will still accumulate CP.