Why was Wrothgar made so Easy? Solo-Content

reguvin · December 2015

- The First DLC Imperial City needs atleast 5 up to 24 Players to complete the Quests and Bosses
- Wrothgar in general only needs 1 up to 2 Players to complete the Quests and Instances

So what about those who like to play in BIG Groups. What are they supposed to do in Wrothgar?
Please add GROUP Events and Dungeons in the Next DLC's or it won't be a challenge to get them done.

Nebthet78 · December 2015

Wrothgar was meant to be a solo zone with only group WB content and public dungeons that you could group up with someone if you wanted to.

When they released Craglorn, they made that zone mandatory 3-4 players required for the quest and their were a lot of complaints on the forums because people were having a hard time finding other players to quest with.

Therefore, I think in the future the only large group stuff we are likely to see are new trials and WB like the ones in Wrothgar, but I don't think a whole new zone built around group content would be very successful.

Shadesofkin · December 2015

The number of people who whined about Craglorn was much larger than those who feel that Wrothgar isn't challenging enough.

Frankly, I think cycling through the three types of play Group, PvP, and Single would be a wise choice on their part for quarterly updates.

Dantonian_Rarstiana · December 2015

The group grind for craglorn was find when it first launched. There were crowds of people doing the content. What about the people that play during odd hours? they just don't get to enjoy the content? What about people that play casually, listen to the dialogue, or have to stop what they are doing frequently for RL stuff... Forcing 100% group participation for every activity was never a good idea.

Knootewoot · December 2015

I don't like grouping for a mere questline.

grouping:

Quests: No, I want to be able to finish it solo. Grouping is fine with friends if they have time.
Dungeons: yes, but preferably optional since I don't always want to group
Overland bosses: Yes, like the ones in Wrothgar
Raids: Yes
Trials: Yes
PvP: Totally optional

Alucardo · December 2015

Not everyone is totally competent at this game. Considering it's a paid DLC, they have to try and find that balance where everyone can enjoy it. If they made it too hard I can assure you there'd be even more people complaining than it being too easy.

DRXHarbinger · December 2015

World bosses? Some of the best fights in the game. Rest of the trash was too easy to kill but by no means does it make it unfun. I actually enjoyed wrothgar, I'm sure if all the adds were lime v11 wasp mobs from graclorn this forum would hace caught fire by now. Great dlc imo. Hardly anything wrong with it bar scare mats.

Magdalina · December 2015

Because we had heaps of people complaining all over forums about how they cannot find groups/don't have time for that/dungeons are too hard so they want solo content in endgame that they made sure won't be too hard for anyone. Except vMSA and WB.

Personally, I find Wrothgar mobs to die quicker than lvl 20 ones that occasionally attack me in Deshaan which makes me sad but it is what it is. ...I can't even DoT them because they die before DoT works>.>

To be honest I'd love more new group content instead but I guess ZOS is trying to cater to everyone. Not sure how successful they are though.

TheShadowScout · December 2015

Craglorn was for groups.
IC is more for groups with PvP.
Wrothgar is for solo play.

Working as intended.

The next two DLCs are almost certainly going to be solo play again (Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood)

The announced Murkmire is supposedly going to be groupish once more.

In time, they will add something for every taste.
But as the reaction has shown them, the ones who like large groups seem to be a minority... and the majority will be unduely vexed when they cannot do something just because they have difficulties finding groupmates. So they will make more solo-ish stuff then group-ish stuff. (duh

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Jura23 · December 2015

Wrothgar is huge revolution in grinding. Easy v16 enemies is something we didn't have before outside of IC. But there you could be interrupted by other players. Wrothgar is safe. That's why it's so good.

$infraction2008b16_ESO$ · December 2015

IC = Dead bar from the odd ganker/grinder

Craglorn = Dead

Wrothgar = Packed

Go figure...

Toc de Malsvi · December 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

Not everyone is totally competent at this game. Considering it's a paid DLC, they have to try and find that balance where everyone can enjoy it. If they made it too hard I can assure you there'd be even more people complaining than it being too easy.

I would say its more of a lopsided bell curve with about 60% that struggle with Wrothgar questing, 25% that struggle in Wrothgar public dungeons/bosses, and 15% or less that have no problem completing all content in Wrothgar and I really think I was generous on those numbers.

Toc de Malsvi · December 2015

Magdalina wrote: »

Because we had heaps of people complaining all over forums about how they cannot find groups/don't have time for that/dungeons are too hard so they want solo content in endgame that they made sure won't be too hard for anyone. Except vMSA and WB.

Personally, I find Wrothgar mobs to die quicker than lvl 20 ones that occasionally attack me in Deshaan which makes me sad but it is what it is. ...I can't even DoT them because they die before DoT works>.>

To be honest I'd love more new group content instead but I guess ZOS is trying to cater to everyone. Not sure how successful they are though.

I can only imagine you did Wrothgar being battle leveled, otherwise I just cannot imagine you're being honest with yourself. If you are anything higher than level 30 the ratio of resources from player to mobs is significantly better versus level 20 mobs than versus anything in Wrothgar.

Artjuh90 · December 2015

if it's to easy just dont go in legendary gear and remove all your atribute points and stop bothering others. win-win to me

Magdalina · December 2015

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Because we had heaps of people complaining all over forums about how they cannot find groups/don't have time for that/dungeons are too hard so they want solo content in endgame that they made sure won't be too hard for anyone. Except vMSA and WB.

Personally, I find Wrothgar mobs to die quicker than lvl 20 ones that occasionally attack me in Deshaan which makes me sad but it is what it is. ...I can't even DoT them because they die before DoT works>.>

To be honest I'd love more new group content instead but I guess ZOS is trying to cater to everyone. Not sure how successful they are though.

I can only imagine you did Wrothgar being battle leveled, otherwise I just cannot imagine you're being honest with yourself. If you are anything higher than level 30 the ratio of resources from player to mobs is significantly better versus level 20 mobs than versus anything in Wrothgar.

I'm v16. And okay, I may have exaggerated a bit. Deshaan lvl 20 mobs get 1 shot, Wrothgar ones mostly require 2 or even 3 shots. This doesn't provide for fun gameplay still, and even the "tougher" ones like mammoths still die so fast there isn't even any point in having a DoT.
(I'm obviously not counting the WB and I have not yet done the public dungeons so just talking about open world/quest mobs)

I know there are people out there just learning to play the game and all and it's unfair to demand everything to be to my level and all, I know I know, but that still doesn't make the gameplay any more fun for me and most people like me:( I guess the problem is Wrothgar is kind of "endgame" right now since it's the only endgame we have yet it's made for everyone including lvl 10s so it can't really be made challenging for those of us that are up to the actual endgame. It's still rather sad.
To be honest, and I know absolute majority will not agree, I had a lot more fun with Upper Craglorn 3 manning it when it just came out, that was fun and challenging and had some very interesting mechanics. It's a real shame they made it so much not worth it in terms of xp and reward and it has absolutely 0 incentive to replay it.

reguvin · December 2015

Wrothgar LOOKS better than Craglorn and Imperial City

But is it Challenging? No

mr_wazzabi · December 2015

Magdalina wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Because we had heaps of people complaining all over forums about how they cannot find groups/don't have time for that/dungeons are too hard so they want solo content in endgame that they made sure won't be too hard for anyone. Except vMSA and WB.

Personally, I find Wrothgar mobs to die quicker than lvl 20 ones that occasionally attack me in Deshaan which makes me sad but it is what it is. ...I can't even DoT them because they die before DoT works>.>

To be honest I'd love more new group content instead but I guess ZOS is trying to cater to everyone. Not sure how successful they are though.

I can only imagine you did Wrothgar being battle leveled, otherwise I just cannot imagine you're being honest with yourself. If you are anything higher than level 30 the ratio of resources from player to mobs is significantly better versus level 20 mobs than versus anything in Wrothgar.

I'm v16. And okay, I may have exaggerated a bit. Deshaan lvl 20 mobs get 1 shot, Wrothgar ones mostly require 2 or even 3 shots. This doesn't provide for fun gameplay still, and even the "tougher" ones like mammoths still die so fast there isn't even any point in having a DoT.
(I'm obviously not counting the WB and I have not yet done the public dungeons so just talking about open world/quest mobs)

I know there are people out there just learning to play the game and all and it's unfair to demand everything to be to my level and all, I know I know, but that still doesn't make the gameplay any more fun for me and most people like me:( I guess the problem is Wrothgar is kind of "endgame" right now since it's the only endgame we have yet it's made for everyone including lvl 10s so it can't really be made challenging for those of us that are up to the actual endgame. It's still rather sad.
To be honest, and I know absolute majority will not agree, I had a lot more fun with Upper Craglorn 3 manning it when it just came out, that was fun and challenging and had some very interesting mechanics. It's a real shame they made it so much not worth it in terms of xp and reward and it has absolutely 0 incentive to replay it.

Open world quests should be easy and solo-able. Want hard content? Do vMA, trials or vet dungeons.

Only dungeons and trials should require groups. Making regular open world mobs as tough as dungeon mobs is just stupid (craglorn, IC).

LadyNalcarya · December 2015

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

Craglorn = Dead

Craglorn is dead because of ridiculous exp nerfs.
And quest rewards are laughable.

ADarklore · December 2015

reguvin wrote: »

So what about those who like to play in BIG Groups. What are they supposed to do in Wrothgar?
Please add GROUP Events and Dungeons in the Next DLC's or it won't be a challenge to get them done.

You do realize that ZOS has records that show how many players group for content, how many solo, how many times group dungeons are run, etc. Clearly they will make content for the majority of their players and more content that is popular amongst the majority... I suspect they aren't going to devote resources on content that will fall flat like IC did, and they also know how often (or not) Craglorn content has been completed recently.

With Orsinium receiving rave reviews and helping to elevate them to "most improved MMO" status... they would be hard-pressed to put a lot of financial effort into content that is only run by a minority of players. If Murkmire does indeed turn out to be a group zone, then it is most likely because it was already under development... I think the fail that is Craglorn should show them the error of making 'forced' group content. Back in the day, before consoles and before DLCs, many players ran Craglorn simply because there was nothing else to do. Now, after more content has been added, it seems Craglorn is pretty much a ghost town, a place only for people to farm Nirnhoned. Go figure.

Docmandu · December 2015

Shadesofkin wrote: »

The number of people who whined about Craglorn was much larger than those who feel that Wrothgar isn't challenging enough.

Frankly, I think cycling through the three types of play Group, PvP, and Single would be a wise choice on their part for quarterly updates.

Agree with cycling being a nice way to give content for all.. not that it will stop the outcries on the forum though. Each time content is released that isn't exactly what player A wants, we get posts like this.

ADarklore · December 2015

Docmandu wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

The number of people who whined about Craglorn was much larger than those who feel that Wrothgar isn't challenging enough.

Frankly, I think cycling through the three types of play Group, PvP, and Single would be a wise choice on their part for quarterly updates.

Agree with cycling being a nice way to give content for all.. not that it will stop the outcries on the forum though. Each time content is released that isn't exactly what player A wants, we get posts like this.

Here is the problem with that... ZOS would end up devoting valuable financial resources to making content that only a small number of players are going to pay for. For those who subscribe it isn't a big deal, but for those who buy DLCs, it could be a big financial loss for ZOS.

gbsteve · December 2015

Wrothgar's the only thing that saved this casual (V2) player from dropping TESO. I'm sure there are many like me. Most of the V16's I know that demolished IC/Craglorn are already gone on to new things like Fallout 4.

I've seen this a lot over the years. Powerlevelers burn through the content fast and leave. The casuals tend to stick around much longer and do the solo DLC type stuff and sometimes meddle in the group content.

If the game turns into another 24-7 gear/dungeon grind, I'll do something else as well. I don't think it will though. The vault tech guy is still standing outside my front door and I haven't left my house.

Knootewoot · December 2015

gbsteve wrote: »

Wrothgar's the only thing that saved this casual (V2) player from dropping TESO. I'm sure there are many like me. Most of the V16's I know that demolished IC/Craglorn are already gone on to new things like Fallout 4.

I've seen this a lot over the years. Powerlevelers burn through the content fast and leave. The casuals tend to stick around much longer and do the solo DLC type stuff and sometimes meddle in the group content.

If the game turns into another 24-7 gear/dungeon grind, I'll do something else as well. I don't think it will though. The vault tech guy is still standing outside my front door and I haven't left my house.

Agree.

I play because I am a casual. If I have to spend my time grinding gear to be able to compete in PvP or have to do dungeons/raids instead of having fun (doing what i want) I doubt I would play this game. Luckily (so far) it isn't. Although a new V16 crafted armor is miles away because of the ridiculous mats I need.

Thevampirenight · December 2015

They need to make huge changes to imperial city for one they need to make content of it soloble, preferibly either two seprete servers for both types of players that want to be forced to group or want to solo. This would make imperial city much better and make people more willing to buy it, forcing people to group in five to get things done is as I say wtf. That should only be limited to stuff like that one arena in Craglorn and group dungeons

Toc de Malsvi · December 2015

gbsteve wrote: »

Wrothgar's the only thing that saved this casual (V2) player from dropping TESO. I'm sure there are many like me. Most of the V16's I know that demolished IC/Craglorn are already gone on to new things like Fallout 4.

I've seen this a lot over the years. Powerlevelers burn through the content fast and leave. The casuals tend to stick around much longer and do the solo DLC type stuff and sometimes meddle in the group content.

If the game turns into another 24-7 gear/dungeon grind, I'll do something else as well. I don't think it will though. The vault tech guy is still standing outside my front door and I haven't left my house.

Absolutely, I wouldn't consider myself casual per se but I'm not as hard core a gamer as I was back when was into WoW 24/7. I spend a good 3-4 hours with ESO a day and it fills up my free time. I've seen hundreds of the hard core players burn through and burn out quickly in both ESO and other MMO's, I've been there myself with a few games. When you become focused on getting 'x' amount more you can lose sight of the enjoyment of the game itself.