Is Overload a balanced Ultimate?

Strider_Roshin · December 2015

FriedEggSandwich · December 2015

No

I mainly pvp so my response relates to pvp. I don't know enough about pve to say when something is overpowered. My main issue is that magicka builds can only block and dodge so many times and an overload LA eats my whole hardened ward and some of my hp. If the damage is to remain the same then make it cheap to block, this would mean overload users would need an element of surprise to catch their opponent while not blocking.

Strider_Roshin · December 2015

No

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

I mainly pvp so my response relates to pvp. I don't know enough about pve to say when something is overpowered. My main issue is that magicka builds can only block and dodge so many times and an overload LA eats my whole hardened ward and some of my hp. If the damage is to remain the same then make it cheap to block, this would mean overload users would need an element of surprise to catch their opponent while not blocking.

In PvE, it's laughable how easy bosses are to kill with overload, and you can store an insane amount of it too. I really can't think of a reason why anyone would use any other ultimate in the game. It's stronger than getting hit by meteor for crying out loud lol.

Resipsa131 · December 2015

No

I think the amount that it stores is insane and I'm a V16 Sorc.

Kova · December 2015

No

As someone else said, Overload is a fix for magicka builds. It might as well be shield breaker with an execute.

That being said, it's one of the only ways I can get to 30k dps consistently.

Alucardo · December 2015

No

I got one word for you: Absolutely ridiculous

Asmael · December 2015

PvP wise:

Capping ultimate at 400 (base price of WW ultimate) sounds like a good start to me...

This is pretty much the only gripe I have with it.

PvE wise:

Magicka sorcerers are on the top of the food chain right now from what I hear. Now to see how it would work out with sorcs with a 400 ultimate limit, maybe buffing Liquid Lighting or something to compensate...

Overall:

Could definitely use a better heavy attack. Why get in close for a weak AoE when you can nuke from range for 30 times the damage?

Derra · December 2015

No

I don´t think it´s balanced right now - though i don´t have an issue with it because of how much ultimate you can store but the third skillbar (on which you can slot a different ultimate

) and the utility you get with that.

However it´s the last sorc ultimate i´m using personally because attro and negate are just utterly useless. The sorc class needs some work and i´m against nerfing overload in any form until we see the ability changes in the next patch.

FENGRUSH · December 2015

Not balanced in the sense that it doesnt scale for stamina sorcs? Confirmed.

Xeven · December 2015

It's too slow. It needs a speed buff.

Alucardo · December 2015

No

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Not balanced in the sense that it doesnt scale for stamina sorcs? Confirmed.

I'd rather a stam morph of Atronach that does wrecking blows

FriedEggSandwich · December 2015

No

Derra wrote: »

I don´t think it´s balanced right now - though i don´t have an issue with it because of how much ultimate you can store but the third skillbar (on which you can slot a different ultimate ) and the utility you get with that.

However it´s the last sorc ultimate i´m using personally because attro and negate are just utterly useless. The sorc class needs some work and i´m against nerfing overload in any form until we see the ability changes in the next patch.

Why is atro useless?

1v1 it's useless cos players just move out of range. It's great for group play though; riot control, confusion, LoS behind it etc.

Edit: also I wasn't aware you could slot another ultimate on your overload bar. Tried it several patches ago and it wouldn't let me. If you managed to slot another ultimate on your overload bar how would you activate it? Surely hitting 'r' would just toggle overload off?

DannyLV702 · December 2015

No

Too weak. Need moar buFF

lolo_01b16_ESO · December 2015

Depends with what you compare it. If you look at the ultimate opions I have on my stamina templar, I'm much weaker than a magicka sorc. But when using dragon leap on my stam dk or soul harvest on my magicka nb, it doesn't feel as if sorcs have an unfair advantage.

CP5 · December 2015

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I don´t think it´s balanced right now - though i don´t have an issue with it because of how much ultimate you can store but the third skillbar (on which you can slot a different ultimate ) and the utility you get with that.

However it´s the last sorc ultimate i´m using personally because attro and negate are just utterly useless. The sorc class needs some work and i´m against nerfing overload in any form until we see the ability changes in the next patch.

Why is atro useless? 1v1 it's useless cos players just move out of range. It's great for group play though; riot control, confusion, LoS behind it etc.

Edit: also I wasn't aware you could slot another ultimate on your overload bar. Tried it several patches ago and it wouldn't let me. If you managed to slot another ultimate on your overload bar how would you activate it? Surely hitting 'r' would just toggle overload off?

When I see one placed (if ever) it is so easy to ignore. You can knock it down, stun it, silence it or just flat out kill it. When there are a large number of enemies around the outgoing dps is more than enough to clear it from the field before it can do much of anything, not to mention it derps up all the time and spends more time focusing on new targets than attacking.

Back on the subject of overload. Back when they buffed the light attacks by 50% they (zos) originally were going to remove the gcd that was placed on each light attack, but chose to keep the ability clunky and boring but compensated with the damage we see now. Would people have prefered no delay between each attack as opposed to the damage buff? Also love how ZOS flopped the sorc from "negate monkeys" to overload light attack spammers. And apparently Wroble knows overload has a heavy attack but doesn't seem to think something far riskier to use should do more damage.

And @Darra, hopefully the next patch proves worth the wait, I don't have that kind of faith in the combat team after these months of silence and teases, as well as their track record.

FriedEggSandwich · December 2015

No

CP5 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I don´t think it´s balanced right now - though i don´t have an issue with it because of how much ultimate you can store but the third skillbar (on which you can slot a different ultimate ) and the utility you get with that.

However it´s the last sorc ultimate i´m using personally because attro and negate are just utterly useless. The sorc class needs some work and i´m against nerfing overload in any form until we see the ability changes in the next patch.

Why is atro useless? 1v1 it's useless cos players just move out of range. It's great for group play though; riot control, confusion, LoS behind it etc.

Edit: also I wasn't aware you could slot another ultimate on your overload bar. Tried it several patches ago and it wouldn't let me. If you managed to slot another ultimate on your overload bar how would you activate it? Surely hitting 'r' would just toggle overload off?

When I see one placed (if ever) it is so easy to ignore. You can knock it down, stun it, silence it or just flat out kill it. When there are a large number of enemies around the outgoing dps is more than enough to clear it from the field before it can do much of anything, not to mention it derps up all the time and spends more time focusing on new targets than attacking.

Back on the subject of overload. Back when they buffed the light attacks by 50% they (zos) originally were going to remove the gcd that was placed on each light attack, but chose to keep the ability clunky and boring but compensated with the damage we see now. Would people have prefered no delay between each attack as opposed to the damage buff? Also love how ZOS flopped the sorc from "negate monkeys" to overload light attack spammers. And apparently Wroble knows overload has a heavy attack but doesn't seem to think something far riskier to use should do more damage.

And @Darra, hopefully the next patch proves worth the wait, I don't have that kind of faith in the combat team after these months of silence and teases, as well as their track record.

I agree to an extent. Whenever I see one placed I save my proc'd frags for it, or can just tank it. But I use it all the time and have a lot of success with it. If I see a blob with depleting health bars I bring one down and the ap flows. If I find myself outnumberd I bring one down and dance around it and it buys me time. DK/NB/Templar stands in his standard/veil/nova I bring one down in they have to move. It has more utility value than actual dps value, but it's still valuable imo. Many players don't even cc break the stun and just melt. It's my bread and butter ulti and I'm very fond of it. Wouldn't use it if it didn't produce results.

I slot overload too, but just for the 3rd bar. Never use the light attacks against players cos it's pure cheese, feel so dirty doing that.

Joy_Division · December 2015

No

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I don´t think it´s balanced right now - though i don´t have an issue with it because of how much ultimate you can store but the third skillbar (on which you can slot a different ultimate ) and the utility you get with that.

However it´s the last sorc ultimate i´m using personally because attro and negate are just utterly useless. The sorc class needs some work and i´m against nerfing overload in any form until we see the ability changes in the next patch.

Why is atro useless? 1v1 it's useless cos players just move out of range. It's great for group play though; riot control, confusion, LoS behind it etc.

Edit: also I wasn't aware you could slot another ultimate on your overload bar. Tried it several patches ago and it wouldn't let me. If you managed to slot another ultimate on your overload bar how would you activate it? Surely hitting 'r' would just toggle overload off?

When I see one placed (if ever) it is so easy to ignore. You can knock it down, stun it, silence it or just flat out kill it. When there are a large number of enemies around the outgoing dps is more than enough to clear it from the field before it can do much of anything, not to mention it derps up all the time and spends more time focusing on new targets than attacking.

Back on the subject of overload. Back when they buffed the light attacks by 50% they (zos) originally were going to remove the gcd that was placed on each light attack, but chose to keep the ability clunky and boring but compensated with the damage we see now. Would people have prefered no delay between each attack as opposed to the damage buff? Also love how ZOS flopped the sorc from "negate monkeys" to overload light attack spammers. And apparently Wroble knows overload has a heavy attack but doesn't seem to think something far riskier to use should do more damage.

And @Darra, hopefully the next patch proves worth the wait, I don't have that kind of faith in the combat team after these months of silence and teases, as well as their track record.

I agree to an extent. Whenever I see one placed I save my proc'd frags for it, or can just tank it. But I use it all the time and have a lot of success with it. If I see a blob with depleting health bars I bring one down and the ap flows. If I find myself outnumberd I bring one down and dance around it and it buys me time. DK/NB/Templar stands in his standard/veil/nova I bring one down in they have to move. It has more utility value than actual dps value, but it's still valuable imo. Many players don't even cc break the stun and just melt. It's my bread and butter ulti and I'm very fond of it. Wouldn't use it if it didn't produce results.

I slot overload too, but just for the 3rd bar. Never use the light attacks against players cos it's pure cheese, feel so dirty doing that.

I'm glad you find the Atronach aesthetically and thematically appealing, but it does not do a damn thing against groups of VR16 players.

Magdalina · December 2015

No

Overload is also buggy beyond words. And I am against it being nerfed in the current state of the game because it's the main source of the "OP" sorc dps in PvE. Our other ultimates aren't worth anything anymore and we don't even have a spammable damage skill. We do have an OP shield and unique mobility with Bolt Escape but it doesn't cancel us pretty much HAVING to rely on Overload for good dps.

Overload isn't balanced not (only) in the sense of doing too much damage too easily, it's not balanced in the sense of being the one skill magicka sorc dps MUST use for lack of other options. Also the buggy part. It's SO buggy it is seriously affecting the gameplay.

That said, when Overload does actually work, it is fun to melt a boss with it

Lucky28 · December 2015

Yes

it's really the only ultimate that we have that's worth anything to be honest.

Negate while useful, is only really good for group play because you know people will just walk right out of it.

Atro sucks, i never use it.

Overload light attacks can hit hard. however, they're also inaccurate and easy to dodge. it's threatening and i like it. I mean there are only three Ultimates in this game that make me go "oh ***" and those are werewolf, bats and overload. with that said, i think other ultimates (not just sorc) could use a buff.

Strider_Roshin · December 2015

No

Lucky28 wrote: »

it's really the only ultimate that we have that's worth anything to be honest.

Negate while useful, is only really good for group play because you know people will just walk right out of it.

Atro sucks, i never use it.

Overload light attacks can hit hard. however, they're also inaccurate and easy to dodge. it's threatening and i like it. I mean there are only three Ultimates in this game that make me go "oh ***" and those are werewolf, bats and overload. with that said, i think other ultimates could use a buff.

For starters I would like to say I agree with you about the other Ultimates. Compared to overload, the other class abilities are a joke; but that doesn't mean it's balanced. Yeah bats are pretty scary as well, I'll give you that. I'm still not intimidated by werewolves.

Personally I think they need to make the atro and negate more attractive, buff the AoE damage from overload because it's a joke. Cap the max light attacks from overload to 4 or 5, and make it more expensive. Do all that and I think it'll be in a good spot.

Derra · December 2015

No

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Not balanced in the sense that it doesnt scale for stamina sorcs? Confirmed.

Imagine power overload being a melee only physical morph of this ultimate - bashing (*** - haha) people to death with fists of thunder (the heavy attack being a charge mechanic as you can´t use weapon abilities with it).

Every class needs one ultimate morph scaling with physical dmg - this would be my go to choice for sorcs.

FriedEggSandwich · December 2015

No

Joy_Division wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I don´t think it´s balanced right now - though i don´t have an issue with it because of how much ultimate you can store but the third skillbar (on which you can slot a different ultimate ) and the utility you get with that.

However it´s the last sorc ultimate i´m using personally because attro and negate are just utterly useless. The sorc class needs some work and i´m against nerfing overload in any form until we see the ability changes in the next patch.

Why is atro useless? 1v1 it's useless cos players just move out of range. It's great for group play though; riot control, confusion, LoS behind it etc.

Edit: also I wasn't aware you could slot another ultimate on your overload bar. Tried it several patches ago and it wouldn't let me. If you managed to slot another ultimate on your overload bar how would you activate it? Surely hitting 'r' would just toggle overload off?

When I see one placed (if ever) it is so easy to ignore. You can knock it down, stun it, silence it or just flat out kill it. When there are a large number of enemies around the outgoing dps is more than enough to clear it from the field before it can do much of anything, not to mention it derps up all the time and spends more time focusing on new targets than attacking.

Back on the subject of overload. Back when they buffed the light attacks by 50% they (zos) originally were going to remove the gcd that was placed on each light attack, but chose to keep the ability clunky and boring but compensated with the damage we see now. Would people have prefered no delay between each attack as opposed to the damage buff? Also love how ZOS flopped the sorc from "negate monkeys" to overload light attack spammers. And apparently Wroble knows overload has a heavy attack but doesn't seem to think something far riskier to use should do more damage.

And @Darra, hopefully the next patch proves worth the wait, I don't have that kind of faith in the combat team after these months of silence and teases, as well as their track record.

I agree to an extent. Whenever I see one placed I save my proc'd frags for it, or can just tank it. But I use it all the time and have a lot of success with it. If I see a blob with depleting health bars I bring one down and the ap flows. If I find myself outnumberd I bring one down and dance around it and it buys me time. DK/NB/Templar stands in his standard/veil/nova I bring one down in they have to move. It has more utility value than actual dps value, but it's still valuable imo. Many players don't even cc break the stun and just melt. It's my bread and butter ulti and I'm very fond of it. Wouldn't use it if it didn't produce results.

I slot overload too, but just for the 3rd bar. Never use the light attacks against players cos it's pure cheese, feel so dirty doing that.

I'm glad you find the Atronach aesthetically and thematically appealing, but it does not do a damn thing against groups of VR16 players.

I'm glad you're so sure of this, but as I mentioned I get results. I would certainly be up for an atro buff though if that's what you're implying.

eliisra · December 2015

No

It allows you to burn PvE bosses way to easy, ignoring and bypassing indented mechanics. That's my issue with it.

But I have no problems with Overload in PvP personally, even from miles away, since you can soak it with light armor shield as well as block and dodge. But would probably be a total pain if I played stamina templar.

Than there's less favourable things about the skill, like Overload not working at all, because of this heavy attack bug. Also makes weapon swap even more clunky when unresponsive, since you have to toggle on and of on top of trying to change bar. Overload being buggy is nr1 killer of sorc's in vMA.

Would be cool if the Atronach was more useful for solo offensive game play in both PvP and PvE. Stationery skills like that, requiring synergy for burst, only works in bigger groups. Templars have simliar problems with their ultis. I think it's a little dull personally that almost everyone right now is stuck juggling between Meteor or Dawnbreaker. Cant even use Bats any more because of Camo Hunter.

Derra · December 2015

No

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I don´t think it´s balanced right now - though i don´t have an issue with it because of how much ultimate you can store but the third skillbar (on which you can slot a different ultimate ) and the utility you get with that.

However it´s the last sorc ultimate i´m using personally because attro and negate are just utterly useless. The sorc class needs some work and i´m against nerfing overload in any form until we see the ability changes in the next patch.

Why is atro useless? 1v1 it's useless cos players just move out of range. It's great for group play though; riot control, confusion, LoS behind it etc.

Edit: also I wasn't aware you could slot another ultimate on your overload bar. Tried it several patches ago and it wouldn't let me. If you managed to slot another ultimate on your overload bar how would you activate it? Surely hitting 'r' would just toggle overload off?

When I see one placed (if ever) it is so easy to ignore. You can knock it down, stun it, silence it or just flat out kill it. When there are a large number of enemies around the outgoing dps is more than enough to clear it from the field before it can do much of anything, not to mention it derps up all the time and spends more time focusing on new targets than attacking.

Back on the subject of overload. Back when they buffed the light attacks by 50% they (zos) originally were going to remove the gcd that was placed on each light attack, but chose to keep the ability clunky and boring but compensated with the damage we see now. Would people have prefered no delay between each attack as opposed to the damage buff? Also love how ZOS flopped the sorc from "negate monkeys" to overload light attack spammers. And apparently Wroble knows overload has a heavy attack but doesn't seem to think something far riskier to use should do more damage.

And @Darra, hopefully the next patch proves worth the wait, I don't have that kind of faith in the combat team after these months of silence and teases, as well as their track record.

I agree to an extent. Whenever I see one placed I save my proc'd frags for it, or can just tank it. But I use it all the time and have a lot of success with it. If I see a blob with depleting health bars I bring one down and the ap flows. If I find myself outnumberd I bring one down and dance around it and it buys me time. DK/NB/Templar stands in his standard/veil/nova I bring one down in they have to move. It has more utility value than actual dps value, but it's still valuable imo. Many players don't even cc break the stun and just melt. It's my bread and butter ulti and I'm very fond of it. Wouldn't use it if it didn't produce results.

I slot overload too, but just for the 3rd bar. Never use the light attacks against players cos it's pure cheese, feel so dirty doing that.

I'm glad you find the Atronach aesthetically and thematically appealing, but it does not do a damn thing against groups of VR16 players.

I'm glad you're so sure of this, but as I mentioned I get results. I would certainly be up for an atro buff though if that's what you're implying.

The main problem of attro is (like many things about sorcs really) if you know how to counter it - it´s basically wasted and even a negate would have been a better investment of the ultimate points (this leads to results being tied to having terrible opponents which is never a good thing).

You can slot a different ultimate on overload bar by assigning it to the ultimate slot in the skill tab. You have to trade one normal skillslot though to toggle overload off. Still vaible if you want to run a single + an aoe ultimate and don´t want to miss out on the utility slots of overload.

TiberX · December 2015

Yes

Yes its the ONLY sorc ultimate, the others are a joke.
Besides that dont forget that the sorc has not even a SINGLE spamable ability as the other classes.
Without that they would become the new DK

tist · December 2015

No

No. I killed myself with my own overload and it did 20k.

Lucky28 · December 2015

Yes

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

it's really the only ultimate that we have that's worth anything to be honest.

Negate while useful, is only really good for group play because you know people will just walk right out of it.

Atro sucks, i never use it.

Overload light attacks can hit hard. however, they're also inaccurate and easy to dodge. it's threatening and i like it. I mean there are only three Ultimates in this game that make me go "oh ***" and those are werewolf, bats and overload. with that said, i think other ultimates could use a buff.

For starters I would like to say I agree with you about the other Ultimates. Compared to overload, the other class abilities are a joke; but that doesn't mean it's balanced. Yeah bats are pretty scary as well, I'll give you that. I'm still not intimidated by werewolves.

Personally I think they need to make the atro and negate more attractive, buff the AoE damage from overload because it's a joke. Cap the max light attacks from overload to 4 or 5, and make it more expensive. Do all that and I think it'll be in a good spot.

werewolves can bring it when built right. 2 piece molag Kena + 5 piece Briarheart is a deadly combination. plus they can hit really hard on their own.

what i'm saying is overload is one of the few ultimates in this game that actually feels like an ultimate ability. and i appreciate that.

tist wrote: »

No. I killed myself with my own overload and it did 20k.

If i was you that would be my biggest secret.

FriedEggSandwich · December 2015

No

Derra wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I don´t think it´s balanced right now - though i don´t have an issue with it because of how much ultimate you can store but the third skillbar (on which you can slot a different ultimate ) and the utility you get with that.

However it´s the last sorc ultimate i´m using personally because attro and negate are just utterly useless. The sorc class needs some work and i´m against nerfing overload in any form until we see the ability changes in the next patch.

Why is atro useless? 1v1 it's useless cos players just move out of range. It's great for group play though; riot control, confusion, LoS behind it etc.

Edit: also I wasn't aware you could slot another ultimate on your overload bar. Tried it several patches ago and it wouldn't let me. If you managed to slot another ultimate on your overload bar how would you activate it? Surely hitting 'r' would just toggle overload off?

When I see one placed (if ever) it is so easy to ignore. You can knock it down, stun it, silence it or just flat out kill it. When there are a large number of enemies around the outgoing dps is more than enough to clear it from the field before it can do much of anything, not to mention it derps up all the time and spends more time focusing on new targets than attacking.

Back on the subject of overload. Back when they buffed the light attacks by 50% they (zos) originally were going to remove the gcd that was placed on each light attack, but chose to keep the ability clunky and boring but compensated with the damage we see now. Would people have prefered no delay between each attack as opposed to the damage buff? Also love how ZOS flopped the sorc from "negate monkeys" to overload light attack spammers. And apparently Wroble knows overload has a heavy attack but doesn't seem to think something far riskier to use should do more damage.

And @Darra, hopefully the next patch proves worth the wait, I don't have that kind of faith in the combat team after these months of silence and teases, as well as their track record.

I agree to an extent. Whenever I see one placed I save my proc'd frags for it, or can just tank it. But I use it all the time and have a lot of success with it. If I see a blob with depleting health bars I bring one down and the ap flows. If I find myself outnumberd I bring one down and dance around it and it buys me time. DK/NB/Templar stands in his standard/veil/nova I bring one down in they have to move. It has more utility value than actual dps value, but it's still valuable imo. Many players don't even cc break the stun and just melt. It's my bread and butter ulti and I'm very fond of it. Wouldn't use it if it didn't produce results.

I slot overload too, but just for the 3rd bar. Never use the light attacks against players cos it's pure cheese, feel so dirty doing that.

I'm glad you find the Atronach aesthetically and thematically appealing, but it does not do a damn thing against groups of VR16 players.

I'm glad you're so sure of this, but as I mentioned I get results. I would certainly be up for an atro buff though if that's what you're implying.

The main problem of attro is (like many things about sorcs really) if you know how to counter it - it´s basically wasted and even a negate would have been a better investment of the ultimate points (this leads to results being tied to having terrible opponents which is never a good thing).

You can slot a different ultimate on overload bar by assigning it to the ultimate slot in the skill tab. You have to trade one normal skillslot though to toggle overload off. Still vaible if you want to run a single + an aoe ultimate and don´t want to miss out on the utility slots of overload.

Thanks for your response. I'm aware of its limitations, been using it since launch. There are fights where I just don't use an ultimate because I'm unwilling to use overload light attacks against players, and I know that using atro would have been inappropriate and a waste in that situation. My argument is just that it isn't useless, my reasoning is I find lots of use for it. It does aoe damage, aoe cc and single target damage. I pvp in small groups with my guildies and in large groups with pugs, and it can be devastating in certain situations. I wouldn't use it in a duel with a competent player. Maybe my expectations for an ultimate are set too low.

Lucky28 · December 2015

Yes

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I don´t think it´s balanced right now - though i don´t have an issue with it because of how much ultimate you can store but the third skillbar (on which you can slot a different ultimate ) and the utility you get with that.

However it´s the last sorc ultimate i´m using personally because attro and negate are just utterly useless. The sorc class needs some work and i´m against nerfing overload in any form until we see the ability changes in the next patch.

Why is atro useless? 1v1 it's useless cos players just move out of range. It's great for group play though; riot control, confusion, LoS behind it etc.

Edit: also I wasn't aware you could slot another ultimate on your overload bar. Tried it several patches ago and it wouldn't let me. If you managed to slot another ultimate on your overload bar how would you activate it? Surely hitting 'r' would just toggle overload off?

When I see one placed (if ever) it is so easy to ignore. You can knock it down, stun it, silence it or just flat out kill it. When there are a large number of enemies around the outgoing dps is more than enough to clear it from the field before it can do much of anything, not to mention it derps up all the time and spends more time focusing on new targets than attacking.

Back on the subject of overload. Back when they buffed the light attacks by 50% they (zos) originally were going to remove the gcd that was placed on each light attack, but chose to keep the ability clunky and boring but compensated with the damage we see now. Would people have prefered no delay between each attack as opposed to the damage buff? Also love how ZOS flopped the sorc from "negate monkeys" to overload light attack spammers. And apparently Wroble knows overload has a heavy attack but doesn't seem to think something far riskier to use should do more damage.

And @Darra, hopefully the next patch proves worth the wait, I don't have that kind of faith in the combat team after these months of silence and teases, as well as their track record.

I agree to an extent. Whenever I see one placed I save my proc'd frags for it, or can just tank it. But I use it all the time and have a lot of success with it. If I see a blob with depleting health bars I bring one down and the ap flows. If I find myself outnumberd I bring one down and dance around it and it buys me time. DK/NB/Templar stands in his standard/veil/nova I bring one down in they have to move. It has more utility value than actual dps value, but it's still valuable imo. Many players don't even cc break the stun and just melt. It's my bread and butter ulti and I'm very fond of it. Wouldn't use it if it didn't produce results.

I slot overload too, but just for the 3rd bar. Never use the light attacks against players cos it's pure cheese, feel so dirty doing that.

I'm glad you find the Atronach aesthetically and thematically appealing, but it does not do a damn thing against groups of VR16 players.

I'm glad you're so sure of this, but as I mentioned I get results. I would certainly be up for an atro buff though if that's what you're implying.

The main problem of attro is (like many things about sorcs really) if you know how to counter it - it´s basically wasted and even a negate would have been a better investment of the ultimate points (this leads to results being tied to having terrible opponents which is never a good thing).

You can slot a different ultimate on overload bar by assigning it to the ultimate slot in the skill tab. You have to trade one normal skillslot though to toggle overload off. Still vaible if you want to run a single + an aoe ultimate and don´t want to miss out on the utility slots of overload.

Thanks for your response. I'm aware of its limitations, been using it since launch. There are fights where I just don't use an ultimate because I'm unwilling to use overload light attacks against players, and I know that using atro would have been inappropriate and a waste in that situation. My argument is just that it isn't useless, my reasoning is I find lots of use for it. It does aoe damage, aoe cc and single target damage. I pvp in small groups with my guildies and in large groups with pugs, and it can be devastating in certain situations. I wouldn't use it in a duel with a competent player. Maybe my expectations for an ultimate are set too low.

Could just weave overload light attacks with actual abilities that how i use it. only time when it's really cheesy is when you just sit there and spam light attacks, imo.

FriedEggSandwich · December 2015

No

Lucky28 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I don´t think it´s balanced right now - though i don´t have an issue with it because of how much ultimate you can store but the third skillbar (on which you can slot a different ultimate ) and the utility you get with that.

However it´s the last sorc ultimate i´m using personally because attro and negate are just utterly useless. The sorc class needs some work and i´m against nerfing overload in any form until we see the ability changes in the next patch.

Why is atro useless? 1v1 it's useless cos players just move out of range. It's great for group play though; riot control, confusion, LoS behind it etc.

Edit: also I wasn't aware you could slot another ultimate on your overload bar. Tried it several patches ago and it wouldn't let me. If you managed to slot another ultimate on your overload bar how would you activate it? Surely hitting 'r' would just toggle overload off?

When I see one placed (if ever) it is so easy to ignore. You can knock it down, stun it, silence it or just flat out kill it. When there are a large number of enemies around the outgoing dps is more than enough to clear it from the field before it can do much of anything, not to mention it derps up all the time and spends more time focusing on new targets than attacking.

Back on the subject of overload. Back when they buffed the light attacks by 50% they (zos) originally were going to remove the gcd that was placed on each light attack, but chose to keep the ability clunky and boring but compensated with the damage we see now. Would people have prefered no delay between each attack as opposed to the damage buff? Also love how ZOS flopped the sorc from "negate monkeys" to overload light attack spammers. And apparently Wroble knows overload has a heavy attack but doesn't seem to think something far riskier to use should do more damage.

And @Darra, hopefully the next patch proves worth the wait, I don't have that kind of faith in the combat team after these months of silence and teases, as well as their track record.

I agree to an extent. Whenever I see one placed I save my proc'd frags for it, or can just tank it. But I use it all the time and have a lot of success with it. If I see a blob with depleting health bars I bring one down and the ap flows. If I find myself outnumberd I bring one down and dance around it and it buys me time. DK/NB/Templar stands in his standard/veil/nova I bring one down in they have to move. It has more utility value than actual dps value, but it's still valuable imo. Many players don't even cc break the stun and just melt. It's my bread and butter ulti and I'm very fond of it. Wouldn't use it if it didn't produce results.

I slot overload too, but just for the 3rd bar. Never use the light attacks against players cos it's pure cheese, feel so dirty doing that.

I'm glad you find the Atronach aesthetically and thematically appealing, but it does not do a damn thing against groups of VR16 players.

I'm glad you're so sure of this, but as I mentioned I get results. I would certainly be up for an atro buff though if that's what you're implying.

The main problem of attro is (like many things about sorcs really) if you know how to counter it - it´s basically wasted and even a negate would have been a better investment of the ultimate points (this leads to results being tied to having terrible opponents which is never a good thing).

You can slot a different ultimate on overload bar by assigning it to the ultimate slot in the skill tab. You have to trade one normal skillslot though to toggle overload off. Still vaible if you want to run a single + an aoe ultimate and don´t want to miss out on the utility slots of overload.

Thanks for your response. I'm aware of its limitations, been using it since launch. There are fights where I just don't use an ultimate because I'm unwilling to use overload light attacks against players, and I know that using atro would have been inappropriate and a waste in that situation. My argument is just that it isn't useless, my reasoning is I find lots of use for it. It does aoe damage, aoe cc and single target damage. I pvp in small groups with my guildies and in large groups with pugs, and it can be devastating in certain situations. I wouldn't use it in a duel with a competent player. Maybe my expectations for an ultimate are set too low.

Could just weave overload light attacks with actual abilities that how i use it. only time when it's really cheesy is when you just sit there and spam light attacks, imo.

So you're cool with seeing 80% of your opponent's hp vanish because you pressed lmb? Apologies if my tone seems argumentative, not trolling or flaming, I just feel strongly about this issue. I think I'm a closet care bear.

Lucky28 · December 2015

Yes

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I don´t think it´s balanced right now - though i don´t have an issue with it because of how much ultimate you can store but the third skillbar (on which you can slot a different ultimate ) and the utility you get with that.

However it´s the last sorc ultimate i´m using personally because attro and negate are just utterly useless. The sorc class needs some work and i´m against nerfing overload in any form until we see the ability changes in the next patch.

Why is atro useless? 1v1 it's useless cos players just move out of range. It's great for group play though; riot control, confusion, LoS behind it etc.

Edit: also I wasn't aware you could slot another ultimate on your overload bar. Tried it several patches ago and it wouldn't let me. If you managed to slot another ultimate on your overload bar how would you activate it? Surely hitting 'r' would just toggle overload off?

When I see one placed (if ever) it is so easy to ignore. You can knock it down, stun it, silence it or just flat out kill it. When there are a large number of enemies around the outgoing dps is more than enough to clear it from the field before it can do much of anything, not to mention it derps up all the time and spends more time focusing on new targets than attacking.

Back on the subject of overload. Back when they buffed the light attacks by 50% they (zos) originally were going to remove the gcd that was placed on each light attack, but chose to keep the ability clunky and boring but compensated with the damage we see now. Would people have prefered no delay between each attack as opposed to the damage buff? Also love how ZOS flopped the sorc from "negate monkeys" to overload light attack spammers. And apparently Wroble knows overload has a heavy attack but doesn't seem to think something far riskier to use should do more damage.

And @Darra, hopefully the next patch proves worth the wait, I don't have that kind of faith in the combat team after these months of silence and teases, as well as their track record.

I agree to an extent. Whenever I see one placed I save my proc'd frags for it, or can just tank it. But I use it all the time and have a lot of success with it. If I see a blob with depleting health bars I bring one down and the ap flows. If I find myself outnumberd I bring one down and dance around it and it buys me time. DK/NB/Templar stands in his standard/veil/nova I bring one down in they have to move. It has more utility value than actual dps value, but it's still valuable imo. Many players don't even cc break the stun and just melt. It's my bread and butter ulti and I'm very fond of it. Wouldn't use it if it didn't produce results.

I slot overload too, but just for the 3rd bar. Never use the light attacks against players cos it's pure cheese, feel so dirty doing that.

I'm glad you find the Atronach aesthetically and thematically appealing, but it does not do a damn thing against groups of VR16 players.

I'm glad you're so sure of this, but as I mentioned I get results. I would certainly be up for an atro buff though if that's what you're implying.

The main problem of attro is (like many things about sorcs really) if you know how to counter it - it´s basically wasted and even a negate would have been a better investment of the ultimate points (this leads to results being tied to having terrible opponents which is never a good thing).

You can slot a different ultimate on overload bar by assigning it to the ultimate slot in the skill tab. You have to trade one normal skillslot though to toggle overload off. Still vaible if you want to run a single + an aoe ultimate and don´t want to miss out on the utility slots of overload.

Thanks for your response. I'm aware of its limitations, been using it since launch. There are fights where I just don't use an ultimate because I'm unwilling to use overload light attacks against players, and I know that using atro would have been inappropriate and a waste in that situation. My argument is just that it isn't useless, my reasoning is I find lots of use for it. It does aoe damage, aoe cc and single target damage. I pvp in small groups with my guildies and in large groups with pugs, and it can be devastating in certain situations. I wouldn't use it in a duel with a competent player. Maybe my expectations for an ultimate are set too low.

Could just weave overload light attacks with actual abilities that how i use it. only time when it's really cheesy is when you just sit there and spam light attacks, imo.

So you're cool with seeing 80% of your opponent's hp vanish because you pressed lmb? Apologies if my tone seems argumentative, not trolling or flaming, I just feel strongly about this issue. I think I'm a closet care bear.

why not. all they do is sit there and spam WB or ambush on me, which has a similar effect on my health bar. or you know, bow light attacks with Shield breaker, cause that's always nice. but yeah, when i see shield breaker overload is coming out. depends on who i'm up against and how they're playing really.

I'm rather selective with when i use my ultimates in general tho. i never sit there and spam them even when i can.

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