A proposal for alliance war and undaunted skills

RAGUNAnoOne · December 2015

A common complaint that I see here is that people pure PvWHATEVERS have no way to get skills by doing what they love so instead of berating the other side I am going to try to offer a solution.

Undaunted:They are always seeking a challenge what is more challenging than a fully geared guard? Proposal: Enemy faction NPCs give undaunted points, the higher the mine level the more points.

Side note: Add a general that is undaunted boss level to each keep they grant massive EXP.

Alliance war: the main story is about supporting your alliance. Proposal: every non-gold or silver quest grants Alliance war EXP, however crafting writs are required to max it out with the highest level ones giving the most exp

Side note: Add optional trait requests for crafted gear that greatly boosts gold and AW EXP

what do you think?

Jura23 · December 2015

My suggestion is: let's ignore complainers, they will stop eventually.

Digerati · December 2015

I like the keep commander idea... we had stuff like that in warhammer. the throneroom used to be a bucket of fun and anguish until they took the keep lords out... DAoC has keep lords...

Tying it to Undaunted skills? nah. I'm OK with still not having that tree fully unlocked...

Alucardo · December 2015

It's usually the PVE mob complaining about not getting alliance skills, and PVPers use undaunted as a retort. As a PVPer I don't care if I don't unlock undaunted. I just want things to stay the way they are.

Dubhliam · December 2015

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2534694/#Comment_2534694

UltimaJoe777 · December 2015

You know, it isn't really that hard to get Undaunted up if you do daily non-Vet Pledges with a low-level group leader making them easy enough to solo lol

TheShadowScout · December 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

It's usually the PVE mob complaining about not getting alliance skills, and PVPers use undaunted as a retort. As a PVPer I don't care if I don't unlock undaunted. I just want things to stay the way they are.

Agreed.
As a PvEer and RPer I really don't mind not being handed alliance skills in a gift-wrapped package.
If I want them, I'll PvP for them. I won't like it, and I will get my bum kicked into respawn land more then I can bear, so I'll always PvP less then I intended out of sheer frustration. But I'll get there, sooner or later. And this is as it should be!

If the game were to hand out everything to everyone, noone would have anything to strive toward, and then most of them would complain about "lack of content" instead playing for something.
Not the way I want to see ESO go...

Turelus · December 2015

Jura23 wrote: »

My suggestion is: let's ignore complainers, they will stop eventually.

Pretty much this.

Remember when everything was "nerf cloak, nerf cloak" then they changed nothing and everyone's moved on the latest FOTM whine. Noted that some of that is now "nerf NB" as a whole.

Sausage · December 2015

I think this kind of stuff belongs to Crown Store. You want to get Alliance Skill tree without entering Cyrodil, you buy it with Crowns. While they are it, why not to sell all Skill Trees vai Crown Store, or then start to sell Scrolls of Training.

Young_Archiebold · December 2015

Or just increase the Ap and XP towards undaunted... Not trying to complain seeing as tho I'm having fun in PvP even with my pve tank (tryin to get vigor), but that would be a simple solution. (it does kinda get to me when the game bothers to tell me I got a single alliance point though lol)

acw37162 · December 2015

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

It's usually the PVE mob complaining about not getting alliance skills, and PVPers use undaunted as a retort. As a PVPer I don't care if I don't unlock undaunted. I just want things to stay the way they are.

Agreed.
As a PvEer and RPer I really don't mind not being handed alliance skills in a gift-wrapped package.
If I want them, I'll PvP for them. I won't like it, and I will get my bum kicked into respawn land more then I can bear, so I'll always PvP less then I intended out of sheer frustration. But I'll get there, sooner or later. And this is as it should be!

If the game were to hand out everything to everyone, noone would have anything to strive toward, and then most of them would complain about "lack of content" instead playing for something.
Not the way I want to see ESO go...

Everyone can have an opinion on this and it makes for great debate.

However, the I just want things to, "stay the same" and "this is as it should be" is such flawed thinkning on so many levels.

First, because the game is not going to stay the same there was a major game changing patch a month ago and there will be a major game changing patch in Q1, 2016. There will also be lots of little changes all along the way. So regardless of Alliance War Skills and Undaunted Skill Lines the game will look and be very different a year from now then it is today just like its very different now then it was a year ago if you were on PC.

Secondly, if Alliance war skills are only available for players who PVP disable the skills outside of Cyrodil and Imperial City if things were to be "as they should be" and disable undaunted in Cyrodil and Imperial City.

Lastly, I have no insider information or "know" anything but if ZOS is willing to create what amounts to a "token" vendor for monater helms and PVE gear in PVP land it is reasonable to expect every player will in some way be able to access Alliance War Skill Lines

I seriously don't understand this, why does any PVP player give two s€%ts if a PVE player they will never see, never fight, and quite possible never even cross paths with game has caltrops, proxy det, barrier, or vigor. It affects them not.

The age old timeless argument of I had to do it this way you should have to do it this way is ridiculously flawed in life, business, and gaming why people hang on to it like a life preserver if a kiddy pool I have no idea.

$infraction2008b16_ESO$ · December 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

It's usually the PVE mob complaining about not getting alliance skills, and PVPers use undaunted as a retort. As a PVPer I don't care if I don't unlock undaunted. I just want things to stay the way they are.

Well it's 6% extra magicka/stamina/health vs the only weapon independent and strongest stamina heal in the game that is virtually a requirement for the tougher PvE content if you are a stamina user.

Savos_Saren · December 2015

...OR we could enjoy the multifaceted sides of the game by PVPing and PVEing. I do both. I don't understand why people only want to do one or the other. You don't have to chose one side.

When the PVE content gets boring... just hop over to PVP for a while.

When the PVP zones are empty or too laggy... hop over to the PVE side.

Also- if you do both, PVP & PVE, it'll make you less likely to scream "nerf this class" or "nerf this skill" because you'll see how/why that skill is viable in PVP or PVE.

TL;DR- Play both PVE and PVP... you'll enjoy the game more.

Lenikus · December 2015

Undaunted guild EXPLORES DUNGEONS AND THE DEPTHS OF TAMRIEL.
Alliance War Ranks IS AWARDED TROUGH COMBAT AND WARFARE EXPERTISE.

/thread.

DannyLV702 · December 2015

As a pvp'er, I would love to have the undaunted skill line, but honestly only if I achieve it through dungeons. I don't have any pve friends so I'm stuck where I am and I'm ok with that.

RAGUNAnoOne · December 2015

DannyLV702 wrote: »

As a pvp'er, I would love to have the undaunted skill line, but honestly only if I achieve it through dungeons. I don't have any pve friends so I'm stuck where I am and I'm ok with that.

Well if you are ever online at the same time as me I could run some with you and I usually have one other person online so just ask if you need help.