Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Giving newer players an actual fighting chance in PvP is good for the game. The only people who think otherwise are the ones that want to feel powerful by killing new players by the thousands like some sort of god. We had that playstyle in PvP before and it was not good for game health.

Besides, you still have the Champion system that allows you to hit 25% harder, regen 25% more and be 25% more resistant to certain types of damage than a new player with no vet toons. Isn't that advantage enough?

This completely. Many PvP players do want a huge gap and mow people down, it's why PvP is *** in most games. You have people that do nothing all day but PvP in a game and tend to ruin it for others.

I bet you wanted a trophy when your softball team lost too, right?

Infinite12 wrote: »

Me: V16 Khajiit nightblade, all V16 legendary gear and weapons with all legendary 16 enchants.

Health: 23,000
Stamina: 30,000
Weapon damage: 3100

Guild mate: V1 Stam sorc

Health: 22,000
Stamina: 28,000
Weapon damage: 2800

And this is fair somehow? And he has a lot less champion points than I do. This battle leveling system is messed up.

He has on hundings and warrior and you don't

The buff should be removed in Vet campaigns.

Battle Leveling means you need skill to win. Keep it, dont nerf it!

Tryxus wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

He's scaled to VR15 and your stats are still better. This actually seems pretty legit. What is your problem - you feel like you have the right to crush everyone like ants?

He wants to be a mighty Dragonborn, who can slay dragons with 1 hit, be a ferocious WW that can rip everyone to shreds, a master assassin and super thief who can become 1 with the shadows, Arch-Mage of Winterhold, killer of Miraak and Harkon,...

If he wanted to be truly powerful then he would be a vampire lord not a werewolf.

Lol OP. *sighs*

So I wanted to mini necro this thread. I've been going around on my lvl 32 stam sorc and I'm absolutely wrecking people right now. The only problem I face is getting ultied without vigor, I usually can't come back. The point being that I'm able to hold my own against people that should honestly be able to sneeze and kill me.

However, the reason I brought this up was because of a recent incident, or rather an amazing event, that showcases how efficient battle leveling + the champion system is, something that might confirm a few players fears about power gaps.

There were three magicka NBs in the sewers on EP side, only one of which was over level 40. I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. They were complete monsters. It's expected for NBs to gang gank people, but these players were decent and worked the champion system to compliment battle leveling. I could only get one down before before the other two were on me. Here's the thing though: I was a v16 magicka sorc with 3200 spell damage, 37k magicka, and around 18k spell resist and armor. Anyone who fights me knows I'm not a pushover and unless you're built against magicka sorc, you're in for a painful ordeal.

My frags critted for 4k. My destruction weaves summed to about 800 per hit. I was being hit with 8k swallow souls and 6k lotus fans without being marked. Now I'm by no means salty about this because it was probably some the best fights I've had with NBs in a very long time.

I know two of them are at CP cap, as they're on my friends list under their mains, and given that they operated well together as a three man group and were relatively the same level range I would deduce that they've worked out some really clever self healing, tankblade theorycraft. I'll post a video of a friend and I smacking them around a little after I get off work, because in the video we focus on the lowest leveled NB who was able to tank through my high burst dps, my friends super DK WBs, and a hidden AD's Overload without going into stealth once.(They pissed off a looooooot of people apparently.)

Once again, it was fun and really entertaining, but I think this video will be strong evidence that CP and battle leveling will most likely break the will of any new meat in pvp.

Thanks for reading!

Alucardo wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Most battle levelled toons are seriously lacking in the sustain department. Yes they have 30k health and 40k resources but their regen is almost always under 1000 lol.

Serious regen issues



This is unbuffed. Not that I have much choice... too low level for rally/flying dagger xD
I've seen people get higher than mine too, like over 3k on regen and weapon damage. No idea how.

Decent stats. But as I said you can't have everything with scaled toons. For one ur stamina pool is around 6k lower than most decent geared vet 16 (35-40k to ur buffed 31k) toons and that means ur shorted by around 600 weapon damage using the 10:1 ratio. Your health is also slightly higher Than the average dps (yours would be around 27k to the average 25k). I'm not sure which mundus youre using or if ur using DW but most of my toons sit at 60% crit at v16. Also your resistances are at least 5k lower than most other stamina toons ( resistances do jack all in pvp but hey, maybe a little difference lol). Again if ur on this toon and try hitting my dk who's v16, I'd be fairly confident I'd be able to whoop this kitty's ass.

EDIT: also I forgot u probably can't use v15 food right? So yeah your resource pools would be significantly lower which I didn't factor in. Also valkyn catnip made me lol so hard. Go dance around taverns and teach those rpers who's boss. Break all the immersion rawrrrr

Alucardo wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Decent stats. But as I said you can't have everything with scaled toons. For one ur stamina pool is around 6k lower than most decent geared vet 16 (35-40k to ur buffed 31k) toons and that means ur shorted by around 600 weapon damage using the 10:1 ratio. Your health is also slightly higher Than the average dps (yours would be around 27k to the average 25k). I'm not sure which mundus youre using or if ur using DW but most of my rooms sit at 60% crit at v16. Also your resistances are at least 5k lower than most other stamina toons ( resistances do jack all in pvp but hey, maybe a little difference lol). Again if ur on this toon and try hitting my dk who's v16, I'd be fairly confident I'd be able to whoop this kitty's ass.

Currently I have zero glyphs on my armour, hence the small stamina pool. My jewellery is like level 12, my gear is 2 levels below my characters level (so I'm losing a bit of stats from that). I use Warrior on my mundus.
Honestly, I haven't even bothered to properly work on this one because he's just going to outlevel everything in 10 minutes anyway xD

Edit: Also keep in mind I'm level 21 and missing a lot of passives, like the 12% weapon damage bonus from medium armour for example. With gear my own level and glyphed, updated jewellery, major brutality and full medium armour passives this dude would hit like a truck.

Hmmm I've never had a problem beating sub v16 toons so far. Maybe I'm just lucky :x. Haha. Maybe a screen shot of ur stats once uve gotten all the Passives and enchants would bring more clarity to me haha. I mean if a sub v16 toons can achieve stats that are better than a v16 room TOP decked then yes we have a problem. But so far I don't think that's possible. I believe u can come very close to a well geared v16 toon but not surpass it right? Right? Or am I mistaken lol.

Since they changed the battle-levelling system it seems to be working very well. Now we just need the PvP Campaigns with No CP, and PvP will be entirely based on player skill and not level-based power, which is what it should be.

newtinmpls wrote: »

navyspeed wrote: »

The buff should be removed in Vet campaigns.

If you don't want it, you do have the option to turn it off in the game settings.

I don't think that option exists any more.

nimander99 wrote: »

Ummmm that appears to be working exactly as it was explained... should he be half your stats? Would that be "fair" in your mind?

acw37162 wrote: »

Sounds like he has a fair shot and you still have an advantage, problem?

Above two is all the answer needed to this Nerf request.

The change to Battle Leveling is the best thing that happened in to PvP in this game since.... well since forever basically.