A point in health gives double tje value of a stam or magicka point. Might help a bit

health should probably be more valuable

I've been using a lot of health lately. It help's great but i still get wrecked by 100% weapon damage builds because they heal more.

I don't like how

damage=better heal's.
damage=better shield's
damage>Armour

There is a whole role that is pretty much excluded in pvp. Tank's. I wanna see meat shield's. I wanna see people who are tanking 2-3 people with ease (not killing them either, just sustaining)

I had no issue's with perma-blocker's or perma-roller's.



If damage was damage

and health increased shield's and healing.

You would have damage classes using dodge roll to evade.

Magicka classes have various ways to survive. However maybe they will need some more health so they can heal better. Stamina is fine being a power house because they should die with one mistake, not healing through it and killing tanks with such ease.


I dislike the damage meta we have now. Maelstrom is something that show's this. If you don't have the dps you die. It's kill or be killed. It shouldn't be this way in my opinion. Die to mechanic's, not add damage...


Ganking should be a thing to punish the player's who have really low hp pool's and are glass cannon's. However as it stand's they will be at execute range after a gank and just full heal or stack a shield.



I don't exactly hate the meta we have now. Just the variety is terrible.


This is a mmo"RPG". However it's Damage Online at the moment.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

My thought about it now, is why do we even have he option to put points in health?

That is an interesting angle to look at the issue !!!

Now we have Attribute points, Food and Armor enchants to increase Health
And we have in total Health, Armor & Mitigation buffs to increase our effective Health, our real goal.
And not to forget avoidance mobility for Damage mitigation as well.

The tank role against the very big blows of bosses neccesates a very big effective Health: Max Armor Resistance, some mitigation buffs AND increased Health pool. And avoidance mitigation is not always possible.

So just putting Health at the same value for all would in general take away enormous amount of freedom of build choice AND role choice.

so IDK
but as angle of thinking on the issue very interesting
Crucial is that the choice goes away in Attribute points.

So no immediate real comment. Need time to think through.

Thought 1:
I would leave Food as it is anyhow.
Thought 2:
Set item Health bonusses could stay as well.
Thought 3:
A lot of the necessity of higher effective Health pool can be achieved by higher Armor Resistance.
That would need that the Armor enchant Health needs to be replaced by the enchant increased Armor Resistance.
AND that the Armor resistance cap goes away.

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

I've been using a lot of health lately. It help's great but i still get wrecked by 100% weapon damage builds because they heal more.

I don't like how

damage=better heal's.
damage=better shield's
damage>Armour

There is a whole role that is pretty much excluded in pvp. Tank's. I wanna see meat shield's. I wanna see people who are tanking 2-3 people with ease (not killing them either, just sustaining)

I had no issue's with perma-blocker's or perma-roller's.



If damage was damage

and health increased shield's and healing.

You would have damage classes using dodge roll to evade.

Magicka classes have various ways to survive. However maybe they will need some more health so they can heal better. Stamina is fine being a power house because they should die with one mistake, not healing through it and killing tanks with such ease.


I dislike the damage meta we have now. Maelstrom is something that show's this. If you don't have the dps you die. It's kill or be killed. It shouldn't be this way in my opinion. Die to mechanic's, not add damage...


Ganking should be a thing to punish the player's who have really low hp pool's and are glass cannon's. However as it stand's they will be at execute range after a gank and just full heal or stack a shield.



I don't exactly hate the meta we have now. Just the variety is terrible.


This is a mmo"RPG". However it's Damage Online at the moment.

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@GreenSoup2HoT ,

You say:
There is a whole role that is pretty much excluded in pvp. Tank's. I wanna see meat shield's. I wanna see people who are tanking 2-3 people with ease (not killing them either, just sustaining)

I like to do that PVP tanking role very much. And did it to get to Caltrops. Lots of fun in PVP as taunting wet noodle tank

As NB HA with Seducer and Warlock for unlimited Magicka to spam Sap Essence in the frontline, 60% damage mitigation from Bolstering darkness for "oh ***", Damage like a wet noodle... but always enough hits per cast to fuel SA gains and get 4-5 x the 20% Healing bonus on Sap Essence.
Woven with Funnel health every 10 seconds, my self heal was bigger than my Damage (per enemy).

Optimised the dilemma of Atributes allocation between more Health stat vs more Magicka stat.
More Magicka was higher sustain because of higher self heals.
More Health was more survival safety against bursts, temporary too many enemies and lag.

=> It is very viable to tank in PVP in a group as long as your opponents are "stupid" enough to be taunted, and your DPS mates finish off (less exposed themselves and hindered)

But ofc in 1 vs 1 fights totally a looser against a Damage build because I cannot burst and Damage buids have HIGH sustain from their self heal and their only weakness is a low effective Health pool, making them vulnerable for CC+burst

The meta we see is the one stat stacked builds.
Except for the CC+burst risk, these one stat stacked builds have ALSO the highest sustain !!! (does not really matter if that sustain is self heal or damage shield)

The meta we have in the game mechanics is encouraging these builds because self heals scale paralel to DPS output !!!

This creates an unnecessarily too high degree of mono culture of builds.

I dislike that as well....

hrothbern wrote: »

The meta we have in the game mechanics is encouraging these builds because self heals scale paralel to DPS output !!!

Exactly, and it needs to change.

What I'd like to see is the healing you can receive being based off health. I don't have any specific numbers or formulas in mind but for argument's sake let's say 0 points in health = 33% of incoming heals actually applied and 31 points in health = 100% of incoming heals applied.

You get the idea.

Note that it wouldn't affect the healing you can deliver, only the healing you can receive. A max magicka healer could deliver amazing heals but not to himself and not to someone with low health.