Nerf WB if not, the game will slowly die. :(

QuebraRegra · December 2015

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Those can go too @Catblade

People wanna take away good burst dmg skills while keeping theirs, its unfair.

Take them all away.

Focused aim is only a problem though imo when people animation cancel it so you get hit by four at the same time.

They already did that with the 50% dmg nerf in the earlier patch..... Stupidity in place of balance..
LOL!

leepalmer95 · December 2015

Idinuse wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Agreed.

Typical, generic responses:
just walk thru it

just block it omg

keep ur distance

just cc dem

Like as if Cyrodiil is completely 1v1 orientated and totally based on a predictable encounter to simply block/walk through/keep your distance/cc-ing them despite immunity, etc.

And wrecking is the downfall of everyone not in a 1v1? wb isn't too useful in group play.

Nb's spamming gap closers + fear
People spamming steel tornado
That group of 3-4 people spamming snipe from 50m away.
About to kill someone? Not today! as he has a templar friend who presses a button and heals the entire team.
Dealing dmg to that sorcerer? shield and retreat.. good fight.

This is so ridiculous it's amazing. Well then give Templars a spammable instant 20K dmg skill and you can have your pathetic heals nerf. Oh, except don't nerf the ones healing you and your group, no doubt.

Edit* and by the way, the reason you all have such a ball instagibbing and one/two shooting Templars is because of the uniquely bad passives Templars have. So give Templars on par dmg mitigation, since healing won't be an option. You'll have so much fun with Templars then, I'm sure.

You know wb is a weapon line? It's not a class skill, go use it if you want too.

I never said anywhere about nerf temp heals or such stop crying because i mentioned templar in a post? do i personally think a character should have the ability to go from 20%-100% hp in 1 button while every other class rely's on 3-4 heals or Hot's or healing wards 6 second delay, no i don't, am i crying nerf? no?

Sometimes people on this forum really annoy me.

edorfeus · December 2015

Sadly, there are always abusive skills in games and everyone's gonna use them. And it's not only wrecking blow. Sorcs spam frags, nightblades spam ambush, templars spam puncturing sweeps/biting jabs. Sword&shield users spam ransack.
There is always something spammable, you can't fight it. And you probably shouldn't. It's the way things work, every player will find skill that he likes and that works and spam it.

Ethromelb14_ESO · December 2015

FHM.Pauline wrote: »

Seriously, I've heard about this wrecking blow OP thing all over the zone chats, with / without in Cyrodiil, Many players are rallying about quitting the game if ZoS won't be nerfing the said skill.

Upon my investigation about this, Yeah.. It's OP in a way that every player wielding Two Handed weapons are only using that skill and reverse slash, Hey.. You don't want to kill the true essence of PVP right? WB is killing it by using only 2 skills effortlessly.

I'm not a bitter person against it, in fact that's my first weapon choice. And I've changed to One Hand and Shield due to it being OP.

It's sad to see ZoS is not responding in this. Some people are posting "STOP POSTING NERF IN FORUMS"
Lol? Maybe those people only knew about using 2Handed right?

#RespectZoS
#TakeActionPlease

"OR POST SOMETHING ABOUT THIS"

Today its WB, tomorrow it'll be something else. There is no such thing as balance in an MMO. It's all about how people use the abilities/powers. This is why I'm sick of players whining about other people discovering something that works for them, and using it to its full capacity, to their advantage. Instead of coming up with a way to overcome it, they rather complain and ask for a nerf, like it'll change the fact that their not good at the game. Per their defeats they will discover something else to whine about and protest for its utter OP decrease.

Idinuse · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Idinuse wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Agreed.

Typical, generic responses:
just walk thru it

just block it omg

keep ur distance

just cc dem

Like as if Cyrodiil is completely 1v1 orientated and totally based on a predictable encounter to simply block/walk through/keep your distance/cc-ing them despite immunity, etc.

And wrecking is the downfall of everyone not in a 1v1? wb isn't too useful in group play.

Nb's spamming gap closers + fear
People spamming steel tornado
That group of 3-4 people spamming snipe from 50m away.
About to kill someone? Not today! as he has a templar friend who presses a button and heals the entire team.
Dealing dmg to that sorcerer? shield and retreat.. good fight.

This is so ridiculous it's amazing. Well then give Templars a spammable instant 20K dmg skill and you can have your pathetic heals nerf. Oh, except don't nerf the ones healing you and your group, no doubt.

Edit* and by the way, the reason you all have such a ball instagibbing and one/two shooting Templars is because of the uniquely bad passives Templars have. So give Templars on par dmg mitigation, since healing won't be an option. You'll have so much fun with Templars then, I'm sure.

You know wb is a weapon line? It's not a class skill, go use it if you want too.

I never said anywhere about nerf temp heals or such stop crying because i mentioned templar in a post? do i personally think a character should have the ability to go from 20%-100% hp in 1 button while every other class rely's on 3-4 heals or Hot's or healing wards 6 second delay, no i don't, am i crying nerf? no?

Sometimes people on this forum really annoy me.

WB is a weapon line? Where ever in my post do I mention WB, or any other skill, class or weapons skill line for that matter. Nope. Nowhere. I do however react to your, and others current, problem with Templars healing skills. Something I am in full entitled to, whatever your personal opinion of it might ever be. The lamenting is suddenly all over the forums.

Do i personally think a character should have the ability to make another character go from 100%-0% hp in 1 button while i.e. the Templar class relies on 3-4 hits or DoT's to take off 25% of health, no i don't, am i crying nerf? No? I'm crying buffs for Templars DPS burst and passives.

leepalmer95 · December 2015

Idinuse wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Idinuse wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Agreed.

Typical, generic responses:
just walk thru it

just block it omg

keep ur distance

just cc dem

Like as if Cyrodiil is completely 1v1 orientated and totally based on a predictable encounter to simply block/walk through/keep your distance/cc-ing them despite immunity, etc.

And wrecking is the downfall of everyone not in a 1v1? wb isn't too useful in group play.

Nb's spamming gap closers + fear
People spamming steel tornado
That group of 3-4 people spamming snipe from 50m away.
About to kill someone? Not today! as he has a templar friend who presses a button and heals the entire team.
Dealing dmg to that sorcerer? shield and retreat.. good fight.

This is so ridiculous it's amazing. Well then give Templars a spammable instant 20K dmg skill and you can have your pathetic heals nerf. Oh, except don't nerf the ones healing you and your group, no doubt.

Edit* and by the way, the reason you all have such a ball instagibbing and one/two shooting Templars is because of the uniquely bad passives Templars have. So give Templars on par dmg mitigation, since healing won't be an option. You'll have so much fun with Templars then, I'm sure.

You know wb is a weapon line? It's not a class skill, go use it if you want too.

I never said anywhere about nerf temp heals or such stop crying because i mentioned templar in a post? do i personally think a character should have the ability to go from 20%-100% hp in 1 button while every other class rely's on 3-4 heals or Hot's or healing wards 6 second delay, no i don't, am i crying nerf? no?

Sometimes people on this forum really annoy me.

WB is a weapon line? Where ever in my post do I mention WB, or any other skill, class or weapons skill line for that matter. Nope. Nowhere. I do however react to your, and others current, problem with Templars healing skills. Something I am in full entitled to, whatever your personal opinion of it might ever be. The lamenting is suddenly all over the forums.

Do i personally think a character should have the ability make another character go from 100%-0% hp in 1 button while i.e. the Templar class relies on 3-4 hits or DoT's to take off 25% of health, no i don't, am i crying nerf? No? Im crying buffs for Templars DPS burst and passives.

Your saying give templars a 20k skill meaning give them a high dmg skill (if your ignoring jabs..) why can't templars use wb? they can but jabs is better. The classes and builds that use wb have nothing else to use effectively.

I literally stated 5 things that are a bit iffy with group play and completely disregarding i mentioned things that every class can and does do you immediately jumped on the temp heal?

I know you never mentioned wb but you literally stated give temps a 20k dmg skill in a nerf wb thread.

Templars can do good dmg but simply spamming jabs isn't going to do it.

GreenSoup2HoT · December 2015

It's the 15k + leap's that really hurt after someone land's a wrecking blow on you that hurt's the most.

Catblade · December 2015

Have you tried dodge rolling the WB? I also suggested the "Take two steps back" approach lol

Luigi_Vampa · December 2015

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

It's the 15k + leap's that really hurt after someone land's a wrecking blow on you that hurt's the most.

Please, please, please don't touch my take flight.

Tryxus · December 2015

Nerf-sayers kill this game, 'nuff said

XT4xm4nX · December 2015

FHM.Pauline wrote: »

Seriously, I've heard about this wrecking blow OP thing all over the zone chats, with / without in Cyrodiil, Many players are rallying about quitting the game if ZoS won't be nerfing the said skill.

Upon my investigation about this, Yeah.. It's OP in a way that every player wielding Two Handed weapons are only using that skill and reverse slash, Hey.. You don't want to kill the true essence of PVP right? WB is killing it by using only 2 skills effortlessly.

I'm not a bitter person against it, in fact that's my first weapon choice. And I've changed to One Hand and Shield due to it being OP.

It's sad to see ZoS is not responding in this. Some people are posting "STOP POSTING NERF IN FORUMS"
Lol? Maybe those people only knew about using 2Handed right?

#RespectZoS
#TakeActionPlease

"OR POST SOMETHING ABOUT THIS"

Here is a quick list of skills in this game that are pretty good in no particular order

1. Dark Cloak
2. Breath of Life
3. Surprise Attack
4. Big Sorc Shield
5. Jabs (Stam or Mag)
6. Crit Surge
7. Vigor
8. Rally
9. Steel Tornado
10. Crystal Frags
11. Ambush
12. Wrecking Blow

There are many abilities these are just a few off the top of my head

Now here is the question... If you could have any of these skills and just one and the skills would be scaled off whatever was higher wpn dmg & stam or spell dmg and mag based on your build what would it be? Furthermore what order would you rank them in?

Obviously if you are an efficient player WB is not going to be your choice nor is it going to be at the top of this list so .... why are we trying to nerf WB or any skill for that matter really?

me_ming · December 2015

Jura23 wrote: »

I thought it is OP as well, but now more often then not, I am the one to survive meet with WB spammer. It just takes practice.

True. At first, I hated WB spammers. But now not as much. Got more health than usual, to survive that initial WB if I'm stupid enough to get hit by it, heal myself (thank goodness I'm a templar), create distance, block (goodbye stamina), spam puncturing sweeps! yay!!! Of course, doesn't work 100% of the time, and yes, WB is still annoying as hell, but there are ways to counter it.

KramUzibra · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

FHM.Pauline wrote: »

Seriously, I've heard about this wrecking blow OP thing all over the zone chats, with / without in Cyrodiil, Many players are rallying about quitting the game if ZoS won't be nerfing the said skill.

Upon my investigation about this, Yeah.. It's OP in a way that every player wielding Two Handed weapons are only using that skill and reverse slash, Hey.. You don't want to kill the true essence of PVP right? WB is killing it by using only 2 skills effortlessly.

I'm not a bitter person against it, in fact that's my first weapon choice. And I've changed to One Hand and Shield due to it being OP.

It's sad to see ZoS is not responding in this. Some people are posting "STOP POSTING NERF IN FORUMS"
Lol? Maybe those people only knew about using 2Handed right?

#RespectZoS
#TakeActionPlease

"OR POST SOMETHING ABOUT THIS"

Walk through it, cc them, pressure them with your own attack etc... many ways to counter it.

As a stam dk i use 2h and i use far more than wb.

Crit charge, light canceling, heavy canceling, wb, executioner, silver shards, keeping rally + shuffle up, using igneous and vigor when needed, using flight to burst, using werewolf to relieve boredom.

Correction, nerf WB and the game will die. I think u got it backwards buddy.

Makkir · December 2015

From the most general balance perspective, I would expect to see the following:

- Character in light armor protection to have low dmg mitigation but high dmg output
- Heavily armored characters "tanky" to have low mobility, maybe mediocre dmg output, but high dmg mitigation
- Characters with high mobility to have lower defenses
- Characters in leather to have a mediocre blend between dmg output and defenses

That is kind of a general formula that makes sense logically. The problem in this game and others is when you try to give every single class a gap closure, mobility, CC, etc that some become more OP than others.

Lylith · December 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

I mean this in the nicest way possible - you need to shut up.

It's not OP, and it doesn't need nerfing. It does need FIXING, however. I was able to wrecking blow a guy through a wall which resulted in his death.
We were in the sewers and he had gone around the corner. I thought the line of sight was broken, but the WB still landed, knocking him on his ass.
Yeah, it's broken, but it's not over powered in any sense.

^this^

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Yeah, it's broken, but it's not over powered in any sense.

It's overpowered in the sense that it's broken.

and ^this^

NecrosIX · December 2015

It's in zenimax's best interest to nerf wrecking blow. Victims of WB will get tired of being killed by it and users of WB will be tired of spamming that one skill ad nauseum. So it's a lose-lose situation for them.

leepalmer95 · December 2015

NecrosIX wrote: »

It's in zenimax's best interest to nerf wrecking blow. Victims of WB will get tired of being killed by it and users of WB will be tired of spamming that one skill ad nauseum. So it's a lose-lose situation for them.

This post....

Theres a lot more nb's than there is wb spammers xD

Also only the bad players will get tired of getting killed by wb the actual decent players will actually fight the wb spammer.

Morbash · December 2015

WB doesn't need to be nerfed. It has a one second cast-time and is easily countered.

Alucardo · December 2015

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

It's the 15k + leap's that really hurt after someone land's a wrecking blow on you that hurt's the most.

Omg I love that combo. Executioner feels really lackluster, so this is a great fill in

Wreuntzylla · December 2015

Wollust wrote: »

Just leave the game, you won't be missed.

"loads of player will leave if wrecking blow is not nerfed" what a pile of bullcrap. Players leave because PvP is in a horrible state performance wise. Not because of one cheesy skill.

The constant cry for nerfs is what has ruined classes and many skills. It's time to stop the nerf crap and start buffing stuff again.

Can someone PLEASE TELL ME what the difference between nerfing your stuff and buffing the other guy's stuff is?

Does it make you feel better if the guy wrecking you is doing it because of a buff instead of a nerf???

Luigi_Vampa · December 2015

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Just leave the game, you won't be missed.

"loads of player will leave if wrecking blow is not nerfed" what a pile of bullcrap. Players leave because PvP is in a horrible state performance wise. Not because of one cheesy skill.

The constant cry for nerfs is what has ruined classes and many skills. It's time to stop the nerf crap and start buffing stuff again.

Can someone PLEASE TELL ME what the difference between nerfing your stuff and buffing the other guy's stuff is?

Does it make you feel better if the guy wrecking you is doing it because of a buff instead of a nerf???

Buffing the other guys stuff doesn't make my stuff worse. And buffing things leads to more viable options instead of less.

Helgi_Skotina · December 2015

If WB will be nerfrd - another damaginh skill will be spammed instead. There is no reason to have 2 damaging skills on a bar.

DHale · December 2015

All I can say is bye bye you and the ppl who always want nerfs are the ppl that stand there while getting attacked. How about you take the game seriously quit being a care bear and level your wrecking blow. Fight fire with fire or you could level sword and board. As said above, you will not be missed... Well I might miss your ap.

Xsorus · December 2015

Sausage wrote: »

Well, Rift had balanced PVP and it died too? Most important thing is to keep the content coming, that prevents dying and keep new and casuals in mind, because eventually they are becoming the backbone of the game.

Rift most certainly didn't have balanced PVP

Mojomonkeyman · December 2015

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

If WB will be nerfrd - another damaginh skill will be spammed instead. There is no reason to have 2 damaging skills on a bar.

Its funny to observe what kind of players vouch for wb. Thing is, there is no other skill offering that much benefits atm for such a low risk. That`s why 90% of stam people are using it.

That alone should be reason enough for anyone genuinely interested in balance and engaging gameplay to reconsider her/his stance on a skill that makes or breaks an entire playstyle (stamina).

There is alternatives already, but those take around additonal (!) 4 clicks more a second to execute, which is, on paper and in real world far more difficult to execute in a flawless manner during the entirety of a fight. Of course, (i would like to be mean here, but i won`t) "players" will choose the most easy route. Shouldn`t we BALANCE options also in difficulty of execution vs difficulty of executing a counter? I know, thats some heavy stuff for some of you, but something doesn`t have to be op to not be balanced.

WB was fantastic & skillful to use - when it was bashable.

No its just cheesy and too good for its cost & risk. No matter how well one is able to handle it on both sides.

Love.

Helgi_Skotina · December 2015

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

If WB will be nerfrd - another damaginh skill will be spammed instead. There is no reason to have 2 damaging skills on a bar.

Its funny to observe what kind of players vouch for wb. Thing is, there is no other skill offering that much benefits atm for such a low risk. That`s why 90% of stam people are using it.

That alone should be reason enough for anyone genuinely interested in balance and engaging gameplay to reconsider her/his stance on a skill that makes or breaks an entire playstyle (stamina).

There is alternatives already, but those take around additonal (!) 4 clicks more a second to execute, which is, on paper and in real world far more difficult to execute in a flawless manner during the entirety of a fight. Of course, (i would like to be mean here, but i won`t) "players" will choose the most easy route. Shouldn`t we BALANCE options also in difficulty of execution vs difficulty of executing a counter? I know, thats some heavy stuff for some of you, but something doesn`t have to be op to not be balanced.

WB was fantastic & skillful to use - when it was bashable.

No its just cheesy and too good for its cost & risk. No matter how well one is able to handle it on both sides.

Love.

Without WB, stam users will have no skills for a fast kill and a templar will be able to just heal himself out, sorcs shileds will be not bursted out and NBs will just run before they die.

Mojomonkeyman · December 2015

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

If WB will be nerfrd - another damaginh skill will be spammed instead. There is no reason to have 2 damaging skills on a bar.

Its funny to observe what kind of players vouch for wb. Thing is, there is no other skill offering that much benefits atm for such a low risk. That`s why 90% of stam people are using it.

That alone should be reason enough for anyone genuinely interested in balance and engaging gameplay to reconsider her/his stance on a skill that makes or breaks an entire playstyle (stamina).

There is alternatives already, but those take around additonal (!) 4 clicks more a second to execute, which is, on paper and in real world far more difficult to execute in a flawless manner during the entirety of a fight. Of course, (i would like to be mean here, but i won`t) "players" will choose the most easy route. Shouldn`t we BALANCE options also in difficulty of execution vs difficulty of executing a counter? I know, thats some heavy stuff for some of you, but something doesn`t have to be op to not be balanced.

WB was fantastic & skillful to use - when it was bashable.

No its just cheesy and too good for its cost & risk. No matter how well one is able to handle it on both sides.

Love.

Without WB, stam users will have no skills for a fast kill and a templar will be able to just heal himself out, sorcs shileds will be not bursted out and NBs will just run before they die.

Well, if you are not able to counter all that stuff with the tools given to you unless you burst your opponent down "in a wrecking blow" - then that`s an l2p issue, not an argument for the existance of a skill that is strong enough to circumvent all of those counters.

You are repeating the same nonsense over and over, doesnt get more true, tho. Just because you perceive it that way, doesnt make it true. You need it, because you rely on it being as strong as it is. You wouldve to l2p, naturally, with other tools. That would take time & effort and would prolly still yield worse results since WB IS JUST TOO EASY TO EXECUTE.

But it would make for a better & more balanced (more equal options) game. Even better, it would make for a more skillful game.

LorDrek · December 2015

Roll-dodge a no problem

Asmael · December 2015

Let's make that title a little closer to the truth...

Fix WB bugs if not, the game will slowly die.

Tho that could be true of most abilities in this game.

And because it hasn't been said enough times:

Alucardo wrote: »

I mean this in the nicest way possible - you need to shut up.

It's not OP, and it doesn't need nerfing. It does need FIXING, however. I was able to wrecking blow a guy through a wall which resulted in his death.
We were in the sewers and he had gone around the corner. I thought the line of sight was broken, but the WB still landed, knocking him on his ass.
Yeah, it's broken, but it's not over powered in any sense.

Artjuh90 · December 2015

if you nerf WB you should nerf crystal frags aswell.
CF does exactly the same as WB only it's ranged so people notice less. WB can be dodged way easyer then CF.
Just stop the nerf's and bann the crybaby's