Exploiting in Cyrodiil

MonkeyFuzzz · December 2015

I wanted an opportunity to talk with Brian Wheeler about players getting into keeps without taking down 2 walls to get to scrolls. I watched ESO live #30 and there he said he reads all forum posts...so Mr Wheeler i am awaiting a response to this situation.

Tower_Of_Shame · December 2015

MonkeyFuzzz wrote: »

I wanted an opportunity to talk with Brian Wheeler about players getting into keeps without taking down 2 walls to get to scrolls. I watched ESO live #30 and there he said he reads all forum posts...so Mr Wheeler i am awaiting a response to this situation.

GO HOME!

DannyLV702 · December 2015

The only reply we ever get from them, are when people start cussing at each other and they gotta tell us the code of conduct blah blah blah. Really wish they answered us sometimes, even if they give us a generic "we're working on it".

Telel · December 2015

Telel thinks a lack of response may have to do with the fact that the questions have already been answered.

Repeatedly.

in 2014.

Khajiit might also mention the numerous changes made to certain skills as further evidence of some things but they're sure it's better to wait to spring that stealth zerg of wisdom at a more amusing moment.

MonkeyFuzzz · December 2015

Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »

MonkeyFuzzz wrote: »

I wanted an opportunity to talk with Brian Wheeler about players getting into keeps without taking down 2 walls to get to scrolls. I watched ESO live #30 and there he said he reads all forum posts...so Mr Wheeler i am awaiting a response to this situation.

GO HOME!

Obviously this is one who likes to use those exploits ....

Etaniel · December 2015

MonkeyFuzzz wrote: »

I wanted an opportunity to talk with Brian Wheeler about players getting into keeps without taking down 2 walls to get to scrolls. I watched ESO live #30 and there he said he reads all forum posts...so Mr Wheeler i am awaiting a response to this situation.

Those exploits really are a non issue, even if the devs don't say it. When you fix dragon leap so that it doesn't work to get into keeps anymore (still possible btw) and you don't even look at the werewolf leap, something tells me the solution was thought up and implemented in less time than a coffee break.

Maim · December 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

MonkeyFuzzz wrote: »

I wanted an opportunity to talk with Brian Wheeler about players getting into keeps without taking down 2 walls to get to scrolls. I watched ESO live #30 and there he said he reads all forum posts...so Mr Wheeler i am awaiting a response to this situation.

Those exploits really are a non issue, even if the devs don't say it. When you fix dragon leap so that it doesn't work to get into keeps anymore (still possible btw) and you don't even look at the werewolf leap, something tells me the solution was thought up and implemented in less time than a coffee break.

^this

Love it when emps, their cronies, and pop locked faction (imported ZERG) take whole map, still feel need to use chains/jump (and their cross factions cohorts) to pull this off.

PATHETIC

Minno · December 2015

They did fix it. What you are seeing is working as intended gameplay.

Ambush, if it still goes through doors, is a broken mechanic and should be removed.

DK jump on walls, tbh isn't an issue. They have to use an ultimate for inner walls and if they can get the chains to fire off, they deserve the wall entry lol.

Jokes aside, ambush is the only issue due to the noclip through door.

frozywozy · December 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

MonkeyFuzzz wrote: »

I wanted an opportunity to talk with Brian Wheeler about players getting into keeps without taking down 2 walls to get to scrolls. I watched ESO live #30 and there he said he reads all forum posts...so Mr Wheeler i am awaiting a response to this situation.

Those exploits really are a non issue, even if the devs don't say it. When you fix dragon leap so that it doesn't work to get into keeps anymore (still possible btw) and you don't even look at the werewolf leap, something tells me the solution was thought up and implemented in less time than a coffee break.

I would rather have leap fixed during a coffee break and have Zenimax works more on performance problems.

Minno · December 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

MonkeyFuzzz wrote: »

I wanted an opportunity to talk with Brian Wheeler about players getting into keeps without taking down 2 walls to get to scrolls. I watched ESO live #30 and there he said he reads all forum posts...so Mr Wheeler i am awaiting a response to this situation.

Those exploits really are a non issue, even if the devs don't say it. When you fix dragon leap so that it doesn't work to get into keeps anymore (still possible btw) and you don't even look at the werewolf leap, something tells me the solution was thought up and implemented in less time than a coffee break.

I would rather have leap fixed during a coffee break and have Zenimax works more on performance problems.

Or leave leap entirely and prioritize server performance first.

Etaniel · December 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

MonkeyFuzzz wrote: »

I wanted an opportunity to talk with Brian Wheeler about players getting into keeps without taking down 2 walls to get to scrolls. I watched ESO live #30 and there he said he reads all forum posts...so Mr Wheeler i am awaiting a response to this situation.

Those exploits really are a non issue, even if the devs don't say it. When you fix dragon leap so that it doesn't work to get into keeps anymore (still possible btw) and you don't even look at the werewolf leap, something tells me the solution was thought up and implemented in less time than a coffee break.

I would rather have leap fixed during a coffee break and have Zenimax works more on performance problems.

I'd rather they left it working like in 1.4. Jumping in keeps added depths to sieges and was fun. I loved both jumping up the walls and also kicking out invaders who sought glory by jumping first

Manoekin · December 2015

My thoughts: I still don't see the difference between jumping into keeps and gates. Both avoid game mechanics. Though I don't care if someone wants to jump on a defended keep, and I wish we still could chain pull people up onto them.

Also, as for the current situation being "working as intended". You don't even need leap. You can get into the inner of a keep without leap or any enemy players to leap/chain on. It's easiest as a DK, but I guess any class could do it if they figure out how to get on the outer.

Crown · December 2015

If you have people standing on the edge of the ledge overlooking the third floor postern, here's what's going to happen:

We will get in position.
I will give the command "Launch Me!"
The designated launcher will put up a propelling shield.
Templar healers will get into position.
NBs will Ambush / Lotus and DKs will leap.
Your people who were poorly positioned will die and we will take the top floor.
If our position is at risk, we will jump back down and take the keep the old fashion way (taking a wall down).

So whose fault is it that we can get into keeps without taking the wall down?

Glarin · December 2015

I agree with Crown. If you're going to stand on the edge allowing me to leap in it's your own fault for letting me in.

Teargrants · December 2015

Crown wrote: »

If you have people standing on the edge of the ledge overlooking the third floor postern, here's what's going to happen:
We will get in position.

I will give the command "Launch Me!"

The designated launcher will put up a propelling shield.

Templar healers will get into position.

NBs will Ambush / Lotus and DKs will leap.

Your people who were poorly positioned will die and we will take the top floor.

If our position is at risk, we will jump back down and take the keep the old fashion way (taking a wall down).

So whose fault is it that we can get into keeps without taking the wall down?

I just have to point out that you don't always need a player to be the one standing in the right spot, we all know NPCs work on certain keeps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJpNOPXvSvs

Morostyle · December 2015

Problem @ Nonvet campaign for example is - EP has AD toons which they use to leap onto, when it comes to home keeps..
I see this very often on EU server. Sad way of playing IMO, but I guess its intended, dunno why.
Scrolls should in general not be able to be picked up, until keep is taking or sieged

Etaniel · December 2015

Morostyle wrote: »

Scrolls should in general not be able to be picked up, until keep is taking or sieged

I don't agree with this.
If you siege a keep, get inside, and then hide, you should be able to pick up the scroll and jump out once the keep has been repaired and is no longer defended. That's actual strategy.

Just like scroll temples shouldn't oneshot anyone who comes close to the scroll if gates are closed.
If you got in through the gates legitimately while they were open, you should be able to pick up the scroll and run back out.

And there shouldn't be a oneshot mechanic for people who attempt to cross closed scroll gates... it should just be impossible in the first place... Lazy fixes ruin everything I swear

bottlesofbecks · December 2015

Having no experience of game mechanicy type stuff would the game know you sneaked in legitimately/

Rune_Relic · December 2015

bottlesofbecks wrote: »

Having no experience of game mechanicy type stuff would the game know you sneaked in legitimately/

Not without a token system

BuggeX · December 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

If you have people standing on the edge of the ledge overlooking the third floor postern, here's what's going to happen:
We will get in position.

I will give the command "Launch Me!"

The designated launcher will put up a propelling shield.

Templar healers will get into position.

NBs will Ambush / Lotus and DKs will leap.

Your people who were poorly positioned will die and we will take the top floor.

If our position is at risk, we will jump back down and take the keep the old fashion way (taking a wall down).

So whose fault is it that we can get into keeps without taking the wall down?

I just have to point out that you don't always need a player to be the one standing in the right spot, we all know NPCs work on certain keeps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJpNOPXvSvs

wow the DKs have to wasted a skillslot with a total uselles assskill,

Talcyndl · December 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

I'd rather they left it working like in 1.4. Jumping in keeps added depths to sieges and was fun. I loved both jumping up the walls and also kicking out invaders who sought glory by jumping first

And put chain pull back to working as originally designed. Perhaps change one mechanic - reflect doesn't pull you up (DK can still pull player down though).

It made things interesting. The biggest exploit issue that it created (bypassing scroll gates) is no longer an issue - both because of the scroll barrier and the gate guard removal (and upcoming replacement with ground based guards).

MountainHound · December 2015

Nothing generates hate mail more than a Leap up onto a keep. Taking this away from DKs makes them cr@p.

FENGRUSH · December 2015

MountainHound wrote: »

Nothing generates hate mail more than a Leap up onto a keep. Taking this away from DKs makes them cr@p.

Agreed - if this happens everyone will reroll NB....

Soulac · December 2015

@Erondil
Shadow pls!

EdTerra · December 2015

Soulac wrote: »

@Erondil
Shadow pls!

shhh.... 90% of Nb's don't know this trick

Master_Kas · December 2015

Soulac wrote: »

@Erondil
Shadow pls!

EdTerra wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

@Erondil
Shadow pls!

shhh.... 90% of Nb's don't know this trick

Filthy exploiters

frozywozy · December 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

Morostyle wrote: »

Scrolls should in general not be able to be picked up, until keep is taking or sieged

I don't agree with this.
If you siege a keep, get inside, and then hide, you should be able to pick up the scroll and jump out once the keep has been repaired and is no longer defended. That's actual strategy.

Just like scroll temples shouldn't oneshot anyone who comes close to the scroll if gates are closed.
If you got in through the gates legitimately while they were open, you should be able to pick up the scroll and run back out.

And there shouldn't be a oneshot mechanic for people who attempt to cross closed scroll gates... it should just be impossible in the first place... Lazy fixes ruin everything I swear

I disagree about scroll temples for two very specific reason :

1) During high latency, npcs become hypnotized and immobile and won't attack as you walk by.

2) Without a scroll barrier, all it takes is one tank and one nb (preferably) to capture a scroll easily.

Without proper performances and AI system, the barrier should stand in place.

Etaniel · December 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Morostyle wrote: »

Scrolls should in general not be able to be picked up, until keep is taking or sieged

I don't agree with this.
If you siege a keep, get inside, and then hide, you should be able to pick up the scroll and jump out once the keep has been repaired and is no longer defended. That's actual strategy.

Just like scroll temples shouldn't oneshot anyone who comes close to the scroll if gates are closed.
If you got in through the gates legitimately while they were open, you should be able to pick up the scroll and run back out.

And there shouldn't be a oneshot mechanic for people who attempt to cross closed scroll gates... it should just be impossible in the first place... Lazy fixes ruin everything I swear

I disagree about scroll temples for two very specific reason :

1) During high latency, npcs become hypnotized and immobile and won't attack as you walk by.

2) Without a scroll barrier, all it takes is one tank and one nb (preferably) to capture a scroll easily.

Without proper performances and AI system, the barrier should stand in place.

What does that have to do with what I proposed?

Your issue is that people could be attempting to grab the scroll without the faction knowing about it?
In this case add a 15 min timer after the gates close before the barrier goes up. This leaves a chance to those who made it passed the gate before it closed, and the defending faction knows there is still a risk of losing the scroll for 15 min to come.

Tankqull · December 2015

coming from DAoC where all (non bow) stealth classes had the "climb wall" passive ability i absoltly have no problem with some skills granting access to enemy structures the only thing that needs to be fixed is the ability to rob a scroll without breaching the inner and outer walls of a keep.

frozywozy · December 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Morostyle wrote: »

Scrolls should in general not be able to be picked up, until keep is taking or sieged

I don't agree with this.
If you siege a keep, get inside, and then hide, you should be able to pick up the scroll and jump out once the keep has been repaired and is no longer defended. That's actual strategy.

Just like scroll temples shouldn't oneshot anyone who comes close to the scroll if gates are closed.
If you got in through the gates legitimately while they were open, you should be able to pick up the scroll and run back out.

And there shouldn't be a oneshot mechanic for people who attempt to cross closed scroll gates... it should just be impossible in the first place... Lazy fixes ruin everything I swear

I disagree about scroll temples for two very specific reason :

1) During high latency, npcs become hypnotized and immobile and won't attack as you walk by.

2) Without a scroll barrier, all it takes is one tank and one nb (preferably) to capture a scroll easily.

Without proper performances and AI system, the barrier should stand in place.

What does that have to do with what I proposed?

Your issue is that people could be attempting to grab the scroll without the faction knowing about it?
In this case add a 15 min timer after the gates close before the barrier goes up. This leaves a chance to those who made it passed the gate before it closed, and the defending faction knows there is still a risk of losing the scroll for 15 min to come.

Fair enough.

MonkeyFuzzz · December 2015

Imo i think a dk getting pulled to an npc or player needs to get fixed, if an target cant get chained in then a message notifying player of failed attempt could be made. ie ..like when trying to cc an immune target. Am not sure if nb's can still ambush through doors is still possible but i dont care enough to test it out. However i did not take into consideration that opposing faction players may have already been inside a keep holding a scroll, so i guess this thread was pointless . Although i did enjoy the responses =]. .