lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Deadmano wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Sadly I don't think you'll have much help here. I agree with you but the way the MMO is developed you have to make some sacrificed in RP/morals to actually get things done.

There are a large number of areas in the game which could have had alternative ways of doing it but are designed to just be quests, for being quests. This is more evident if you ever try to play a Bethesda game or ESO as an evil character, there are very few options to ask for rewards otherwise you won't help, everything just assumes you're the LG Paladin looking to help everyone no matter what.

I actually miss SWTOR because for the most part they got it right with good/evil, ways of doing things.

Agreed, though it makes no sense why they FORCED you to break in, and have it count towards your record... Some people actually go out of their way to ensure they RP the "good guy" and then this happens? I would understand a side-quest to find a key... Or it not being counted as an actual stat...

It happened "by accident". When the game launched you could just enter any house and no npc would care about it. When they added the justice system, they put locks on most houses, but forgot that there are quests that require you to go inside.

what he said, the house was ment to be unlocked for you, as in the guards let you go inside but then justice system hit

A "good character" would dump the quest and forget about it.

L2rp

I guess Op will skip Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood dlc ??

Bethesda games have a habit of forcing you down into grey areas.
They deliberately make sure quests rarely have a black and white option....only the lesser of two evils if you will.
The whole idea is to challenge your views and make you struggle with them.
That's how they make the game engaging (moral dilemmas).
The more time you spend dwelling on or struggling with a paradox within the game....the more immersed in the game you have become.

You could call it developing a fixation if you like.

It's a side quest. You don't have to do it to progress.

But generally there aren't "good or bad" ways to complete the quests and this is indeed an issue. I don't know if ZOS would ever put the time in to rectify this or design new quests any differently. One can hope though.

At least let authority figures give you a warrant that makes it legal for that one house at that time cops can break down doors if they have a warrant.

Nestor wrote: »

Deadmano wrote: »

Chests in the world were placed for adventurers to uncover, if they were not meant to be, or it was considered "stealing" then all the chests would be marked as such, the same it is to pick a Strongbox, in which case I wouldn't be picking locks for treasure chests.

First, I agree with you that Roles are driven by the player and they can be anything somebody wants them to be. It's your Role. Want to steal? Steal, don't want to Steal, don't. Steal only from the rich then do that or anything else you come up with.

Now, as to why I quoted you, they have also tied Legerdemain to opening the chests in the world. I have a character that I meant to never steal with ever so I planned to avoid the whole legerdemain part of the game with her. For the record, I have another character who will steal bread from your grandmother to make a sandwich with the meat he stole from his grandmother. Well, the good character opened a chest after the Justice System dropped and next thing I know, I have unlocked the Legerdemain line on her.

The other irony is, the good character is at level 20 in legerdemain, the sticky fingered kleptomaniac is still leveling the skill. The first was because it was easy to level on her as she has about 160 slots free and this was back when you could reset the daily limit the same day at the Fence, so I could drop off 400 plus items in one day. The second is because my sticky fingered guy is a NB and was having issues doing anything with him so he had been parked for a while.

Out of all the posts, this one made me smile. Haha, I can understand where you are coming from and what that feels like, and of course this is a per character role play. Whoever said I didn't have a "Yours Is Mine" character?

Your description and summary of it all is priceless. And while this may not seem like such a big deal to many, the fact that I AM a completionist is what troubles me.

To add insult to injury, as far as I have seen, achievements are mostly character bound. So I may be forced to do the unthinkable on my good character in order to get 100% completion... It would have been nice if things such as the Justice achievements were account based, so I could get them on my "chaotic neutral" character...

People here seem to not quite understand it from my perspective, and while I respect that as their decision, they should try to understand that I am the one who has an issue with it, and I play by my own rules. My "good" is certainly not the next persons "good" either. But things like breaking into a house, for a good cause and being asked to I CAN accept, but NOT when it goes against my record on my account which is what I am all "up in arms" about. I did it, because it seemed the right thing to do, I also killed the mage as I had no other options either... But to now be a "thief" on my main good character... Makes me want to go full chaotic neutral in that case, haha... NOT.