Axorn wrote: »

I dont see molten armaments as an execute ability its just a nonsensical ability heavy attacks can be blocked easly and blocked heavy attacks puts you in off balance state which makes the ability useless its not beneficial. Also its not practical in combat especially in lag fest cyrodiil

What I said before. People refuse to accept it as execute although it is in every sense an execute ability. Look more into it, put champion points where they matter and you will execute people in PVP and see your dps go up in execute phase in PVE. MA is an excellent execute when proper attention is paid to it.

Execute, Gap-Closer, Speedbuff, a descent self-heal. At least two of them would put put the DK on level of the other classes.

Artjuh90 wrote: »

for those who start about DK being the tank class they might have missed a large part of the advertising of this game.
other then MMO's like WoW ZoS wanted to allow players to play any role with any class. that's why a sorc can wear heavy armor and a dk can be a mage casting in light armor (ye i know this is kinda the weakest class atm but that's not what this is about) for high dps purposes in PvP and PvE a execute is necessary. in the time you do a heavy atk a NB can use kiler blade 2-3 times not even calculating AC. sure NB are more squisy and i wouldn't mind if their DPS was a bit higher but these differences are extreme

And you missed the point of the advertisement. It's "play the way you want", not "win the way you want". Every class has a certain theme, whether you want to admit it or not.
Nb is the rogue, sorc the ranged caster, templar healer, and dk fire tank. You can stray off the path and still have fun, but don't deny that every class was designed with a certain role/theme in mind.
With that said, dks don't need an execute, they need more survivability

Etaniel wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

for those who start about DK being the tank class they might have missed a large part of the advertising of this game.
other then MMO's like WoW ZoS wanted to allow players to play any role with any class. that's why a sorc can wear heavy armor and a dk can be a mage casting in light armor (ye i know this is kinda the weakest class atm but that's not what this is about) for high dps purposes in PvP and PvE a execute is necessary. in the time you do a heavy atk a NB can use kiler blade 2-3 times not even calculating AC. sure NB are more squisy and i wouldn't mind if their DPS was a bit higher but these differences are extreme

And you missed the point of the advertisement. It's "play the way you want", not "win the way you want". Every class has a certain theme, whether you want to admit it or not.
Nb is the rogue, sorc the ranged caster, templar healer, and dk fire tank. You can stray off the path and still have fun, but don't deny that every class was designed with a certain role/theme in mind.
With that said, dks don't need an execute, they need more survivability

So, to get people to think about it and ask more questions: With that logic in mind, why then would a Templar "healer class" need a class based execute?

I think maybe that what many people are salty about: DK's aren't even given the option of the execute.

Etaniel wrote: »

Morozov wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

for those who start about DK being the tank class they might have missed a large part of the advertising of this game.
other then MMO's like WoW ZoS wanted to allow players to play any role with any class. that's why a sorc can wear heavy armor and a dk can be a mage casting in light armor (ye i know this is kinda the weakest class atm but that's not what this is about) for high dps purposes in PvP and PvE a execute is necessary. in the time you do a heavy atk a NB can use kiler blade 2-3 times not even calculating AC. sure NB are more squisy and i wouldn't mind if their DPS was a bit higher but these differences are extreme

And you missed the point of the advertisement. It's "play the way you want", not "win the way you want". Every class has a certain theme, whether you want to admit it or not.
Nb is the rogue, sorc the ranged caster, templar healer, and dk fire tank. You can stray off the path and still have fun, but don't deny that every class was designed with a certain role/theme in mind.
With that said, dks don't need an execute, they need more survivability

So, to get people to think about it and ask more questions: With that logic in mind, why then would a Templar "healer class" need a class based execute?

I think maybe that what many people are salty about: DK's aren't even given the option of the execute.

Where did I say I agreed with templars having Jesus Beam?
It's the problem with most class balancing in mmos, classes start out very unique and people complain that the playing field isn't fair, and we end up with classes that all do the same thing.

Agreed. That is why I think instead of a class execute, DK should be immune to execute instead.

Ruben wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Agreed. That is why I think instead of a class execute, DK should be immune to execute instead.

Extremely useful in PvE.

I'm going to reply on the basis that you are being sarcastic. lol

What part of PVE content do you 'need' a class execute for?

Whip already hits upwards of 20k lmao. If it were an execute we'd start seeing 80k whips. That's absurd.
I'm all for making whip an execute, but let's make it not scale with standard, also let's reduce the damage it does so it's not an absurd amount. Seriously, you must not play PvE, that would ruin the class balance. DK's are already top of the list in terms of sustainable DPS.

Alucardo wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

DKs are op. One killed me earlier and that's not supposed to happen

It's obvious you were afk or something

amazing

OGLezard wrote: »

You do realize they do in fact have an execute....it just isn't like what you want it to be. Increased damage with weapons the lower health your target gets.

If we are honest you are not playing a magicka dk so that execute is perfect for all the wb spamming DKs we have now days

That is only an execute for 2h, dw, bow and inferno staff and the first 3 are only if you're stam. A mag dk running snb or dw in pvp has 0 execute. If they turned molten arma into just a general skill damage boost in execute range, lets say a 50% damage boost to low health targets I could see it actually being very useful even though it's not being totally revamped. Would work similar to the dw passive.

Inferno as execute! (1 Magicla and 1 Stamina morphs)
Reasons:
1) Nobody uses it, almost useless atm;
2) Flame dmg skill: come on ZOS we are Dragonknight, we are supposed to breath fire like dragons! Plus more stamina DK's could start putting CP in Elemental Expert and play the class as it should be played;
(DISCLAIMER: remember there is Elemental Defender but no "Physical dmg" mitigation CP)
3) Such a good name for the skill, imagine to see "You killed X with Inferno";
Show DK's some love!

Can DK's at least admit they have an execute? And 2 gap closers (knowing one is an ultimate)? Or is it just 'I don''t like the skills and therefore they don't exist' kind of a thing? Instead of saying you don't have them, why not say why you don't like the ones you already, you know, have?

Axorn wrote: »

Every Class has an execute ability. Sorcerer have mage's fury, nightblade have assassin's blade and templar have radiant destruction but there is no any execute ability for dragonknights. Its not fair especially for magicka dragonknights like me.

My suggestion is make the lava whip execute for under %25 health targets without reducing its damage. It would be fair.

I'll trade you my Radiant Destruction for Lava Whip as it is right now.

Yes, DK should have execute option. No i don't think Lava Whip should be it. That would be like making Sneak Attack, jabs, WB, and Steel Tornado execute ... wait. one of those already do. It should be a dedicated execute skill.

Molten Weapon does do execute damage but with FULLY charged heavy attacks. Being that DK is the DOT class it would be fitting to have a DOT execute but with DOTs beings so easily dropped and mitigated it probably wouldn't be right. Where can I spend CP for Decreased damage from AOE?

I thought something like Searing Strike would be decent if it applied a DOT that execute, but not SS. Though SS has a stam morph so with a stam whip it could reduce the number of people dependent on 2 handed. Both would have to be pretty powerful to over come WB, and Executioner (Empower/increase damage) unless ZOS is going to give 2 hander a bit of a nerf. Also DK gap closer is bugs buggy so Crit Charge is 1 of 2 options.

Inferno stinks. The buffs could be moved to Molton weapons.I don't understand why MW is the way it is. 40% fully charged weapon attack? Why not give Brutality and Sorcery there and replace Inferno with an execute ability? I don't know what this would do to overall DPS. I'm not a fan of DK and Crits buffs from Inferno though. I think a DK should be more about sustain DPS rather then burst.

Just some thoughts. I havne't played my DK in while. Still in Silks of the Sun.

Axorn wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Can DK's at least admit they have an execute? And 2 gap closers (knowing one is an ultimate)? Or is it just 'I don''t like the skills and therefore they don't exist' kind of a thing? Instead of saying you don't have them, why not say why you don't like the ones you already, you know, have?

molten armaments is not execute its only boost your heavy attack damage on low health targets and heavy attack is not a class ability and can be blocked easly and put you off balance state.

Bonus damage on low health targets, on a skill that also buffs the base damage of heavy attacks. Sorry you don't like it but that is what the class has. If having the strongest heavy attacks, an attack most people don't expect to be damaging and can therefore be blindsided by, then take that up with ZOS. Its just this cycle of 'we don't have this' or 'we don't have that' when your class does that's getting old.