Cloak

Darnathian · December 2015

Don't nerf cloak or buff detection pots. But please remove the "removes damage over time effects" off it for the love of god. Slot purge like everyone else. Discuss.

Alucardo · December 2015

/lurk

Derra · December 2015

That would be a pretty significant nerf to cloak wouldn´t it? Or do you mean you don´t get pulled out by dots ticking on you?

Moglijuana · December 2015

Derra wrote: »

That would be a pretty significant nerf to cloak wouldn´t it? Or do you mean you don´t get pulled out by dots ticking on you?

I would not be opposed to the dots staying applied. Cloak is OP simply for that reason. My NB can just run through siege like no ones business.

Rataroto · December 2015

Sure do that, and then remove the "dash" function of streak.

Darnathian wrote: »

Slot purge like everyone else.

Walk like everyone else. Discuss,

leepalmer95 · December 2015

Moglijuana wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

That would be a pretty significant nerf to cloak wouldn´t it? Or do you mean you don´t get pulled out by dots ticking on you?

I would not be opposed to the dots staying applied. Cloak is OP simply for that reason. My NB can just run through siege like no ones business.

It would make the dots off dk actually more useful, as it is now it's a waste of time even putting them on as nb's don't go out of their way to get rid of them they just play normally and cloak naturally takes them off.

OdinForge · December 2015

Get straight outta here Darnathian, straight out.

dday3six · December 2015

It doesn't remove negative effects, it only removes damage over time effects. There is a big difference between the two.

JoshenReborn · December 2015

I'm confused because you say don't nerf cloak and then ask for a nerf to cloak. Is that you Rick James?

Tryxus · December 2015

But without the purge, wouldn't the cloak be removed instantly due to the DoT?

Jitterbug · December 2015

Insert Fry from Futurama meme here.

Tryxus · December 2015

BTW, Templars don't need to slot purge, they have a purge in their skill list as well...

...

NERF TEMPLARS!!!

-runs from the angry Templar mob-

(I regret nothing)

Anzriel · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

That would be a pretty significant nerf to cloak wouldn´t it? Or do you mean you don´t get pulled out by dots ticking on you?

I would not be opposed to the dots staying applied. Cloak is OP simply for that reason. My NB can just run through siege like no ones business.

It would make the dots off dk actually more useful, as it is now it's a waste of time even putting them on as nb's don't go out of their way to get rid of them they just play normally and cloak naturally takes them off.

Yeah, one of my biggest annoyances about it as well. They mentioned something about them making them sticking on people, I'm hoping it has something to do with that. However i have the feeling it'll be more like just giving them longer durations. >.<

Tomato · December 2015

The fact that that NB's can cloak right next to players is insane! They need to increase the detect radius.

WreckfulAbandon · December 2015

This is a terrible suggestion, the reason it purges DoT's is because damage takes them out of cloak. It doesn't purge negative effects, simply damaging effects.

NB's have no class shield or burst heal (Funnel is useful but not gonna bring you from the brink of death) and you want to effectively neuter their escape as well?

If you're having trouble with NB's then slot Caltrops, snares work great against a fleeing NB and can't be removed with Cloak.

Tryxus · December 2015

Tomato wrote: »

The fact that that NB's can cloak right next to players is insane! They need to nerf the radius....

Nerfing the radius of invisibility? ... It's still invisible

Serious note tho: Cloak is something meant for the MagBlades, since StamBlades have to conserve it for escaping/purging. And sneaking around in Light Armor is a lot harder than in Med Armor.

So yeah, Cloak is there to help the MagBlades sneak around. Can't do the ganking in robes

willymchilybily · December 2015

if dots take Nb out of cloak stam NB is screwed cost of purge is too high unless magicka based, if you consider focus buff, fear and cloak, cost all a whack of magicka as stam user you have nothing left for purge. can barely use cloak 3 times on stam NB without those buffs.

as for magicka i know quite a few running purge anyway (for NB mark) so i dont think this will really be a game changer for one subsect of NB but be horrid for the other

Turelus · December 2015

"Hello cloak thread, my old friend
I've come to read about you again"

Ashamray · December 2015

Well, Detection Potions are serious counter to NB's. I even think too serious because make cloak useless at all. It is funny to search for cloaking NB while dueling, and use pots is... not so interesting! I wish ZOS nerf detection component at all, buff Flare from Support tree and half mag/stam regeneration in cloak.

Nutshotz · December 2015

For all the people saying go and nerf cloak. Well here is my 2 cents. Go and play a nb, use cloak to get out of a sticky situation, and see if it works 75% it doesnt, and while your pvping and using cloak do tell us how it needs to be nerfed cuz a lot of things will bring u out of cloak. So unless you play a nightblade stop your bit**ing about nerfing cloak. Otherwise nerfing sorcs, nerfing dk's, nerf, templars. For the love of god. Just pvp and play your class and learn to counter that other class!

Ara_Valleria · December 2015

PeaNutShotz wrote: »

For all the people saying go and nerf cloak. Well here is my 2 cents. Go and play a nb, use cloak to get out of a sticky situation, and see if it works 75% it doesnt, and while your pvping and using cloak do tell us how it needs to be nerfed cuz a lot of things will bring u out of cloak. So unless you play a nightblade stop your bit**ing about nerfing cloak. Otherwise nerfing sorcs, nerfing dk's, nerf, templars. For the love of god. Just pvp and play your class and learn to counter that other class!

But QQing is easier soooooooooo why L2counter ?

Kutsuu · December 2015

Ara_Valleria wrote: »

PeaNutShotz wrote: »

For all the people saying go and nerf cloak. Well here is my 2 cents. Go and play a nb, use cloak to get out of a sticky situation, and see if it works 75% it doesnt, and while your pvping and using cloak do tell us how it needs to be nerfed cuz a lot of things will bring u out of cloak. So unless you play a nightblade stop your bit**ing about nerfing cloak. Otherwise nerfing sorcs, nerfing dk's, nerf, templars. For the love of god. Just pvp and play your class and learn to counter that other class!

But QQing is easier soooooooooo why L2counter ?

And their argument for why they shouldn't have to L2counter is that they shouldn't have to bring something to counter it if they want to counter it. "Why should I have to use a detect pot or AOE ability to hard counter cloak?" Sigh.

Darnathian · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

That would be a pretty significant nerf to cloak wouldn´t it? Or do you mean you don´t get pulled out by dots ticking on you?

I would not be opposed to the dots staying applied. Cloak is OP simply for that reason. My NB can just run through siege like no ones business.

It would make the dots off dk actually more useful, as it is now it's a waste of time even putting them on as nb's don't go out of their way to get rid of them they just play normally and cloak naturally takes them off.

exactly. kills the class with one button. makes no sense. the ability to disengage is a great skill on its own. no need for the extra bonus. thats just icing on the cake

Darnathian · December 2015

dday3six wrote: »

It doesn't remove negative effects, it only removes damage over time effects. There is a big difference between the two.

great point. fixed

Darnathian · December 2015

Darnathian wrote: »

Don't nerf cloak or buff detection pots. But please remove the "removes damage over time effects" off it for the love of god. Slot purge like everyone else. Discuss.

Darnathian · December 2015

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

This is a terrible suggestion, the reason it purges DoT's is because damage takes them out of cloak. It doesn't purge negative effects, simply damaging effects.

NB's have no class shield or burst heal (Funnel is useful but not gonna bring you from the brink of death) and you want to effectively neuter their escape as well?

If you're having trouble with NB's then slot Caltrops, snares work great against a fleeing NB and can't be removed with Cloak.

I have a magblade. the skill is rediculous. yes you should have to purge off dot's. make it so they don't pull you out of stealth but you should have to purge

Darnathian · December 2015

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

This is a terrible suggestion, the reason it purges DoT's is because damage takes them out of cloak. It doesn't purge negative effects, simply damaging effects.

NB's have no class shield or burst heal (Funnel is useful but not gonna bring you from the brink of death) and you want to effectively neuter their escape as well?

If you're having trouble with NB's then slot Caltrops, snares work great against a fleeing NB and can't be removed with Cloak.

lol I have no problem with nightblades. i didnt say anything about bringing them out of cloak by buffing pots or anything off the like. you want to stay invisible thats cool.

what i said was having two strong abilities in one skill is OP. you should have to slot a seperate ability like the THREE other classes. that is what makes cloak OP.

or would you rather have all the other critics have thier way and have the streak treatment or such happen. or have a stealth breaker set added. because thats what will happen. balancing is coming. meet in the middle somewhere or suffer the wrath of Zos.

Asmael · December 2015

Only thing I'd consider nerfing about cloak is the removal of DoTs.

Would reduce it to 2 at all ranks, that'd also make the other morph actually attractive, and stop screwing DoT builds that much.

Xvorg · December 2015

Darnathian wrote: »

Don't nerf cloak or buff detection pots. But please remove the "removes damage over time effects" off it for the love of god. Slot purge like everyone else. Discuss.

Lord's mail is a nice set then...

Darnathian · December 2015

PeaNutShotz wrote: »

For all the people saying go and nerf cloak. Well here is my 2 cents. Go and play a nb, use cloak to get out of a sticky situation, and see if it works 75% it doesnt, and while your pvping and using cloak do tell us how it needs to be nerfed cuz a lot of things will bring u out of cloak. So unless you play a nightblade stop your bit**ing about nerfing cloak. Otherwise nerfing sorcs, nerfing dk's, nerf, templars. For the love of god. Just pvp and play your class and learn to counter that other class!

i have every class. if you know everything exactly how can a mag dk beat a nb? if they make the dots stick then fine. leave it as is. but mark my words. there is a cloak nerf coming. no way around it. every other OP ability has been hit. Cloak is next and rightfully so.

Darnathian · December 2015

Kutsuu wrote: »

Ara_Valleria wrote: »

PeaNutShotz wrote: »

For all the people saying go and nerf cloak. Well here is my 2 cents. Go and play a nb, use cloak to get out of a sticky situation, and see if it works 75% it doesnt, and while your pvping and using cloak do tell us how it needs to be nerfed cuz a lot of things will bring u out of cloak. So unless you play a nightblade stop your bit**ing about nerfing cloak. Otherwise nerfing sorcs, nerfing dk's, nerf, templars. For the love of god. Just pvp and play your class and learn to counter that other class!

But QQing is easier soooooooooo why L2counter ?

And their argument for why they shouldn't have to L2counter is that they shouldn't have to bring something to counter it if they want to counter it. "Why should I have to use a detect pot or AOE ability to hard counter cloak?" Sigh.

omg do you all actually read? if its a learn to counter please explain how a magicka dk can kill a nb right now?