an idea instead of in game console text chat.

hamburgerler76 · December 2015

so on console a zone wide text chat is highly requested. But ZoS has said they don't want players stopping to type out and read text chat all the time threw their controller's and the in game UI. I see a simple fix for this. Both ps4 and xbox have 2nd screen options threw phone apps, I think a nice idea would be to put a zone chat as a 2nd screen option most games have these xbox glass companion apps or whatever ps4 has. It would simply link to your account in game and when you log in it would display the current zones chat on your phone if you had the app up. I would love this for PVP on console. Right now if your just not in the right place at the right time it can be hard to find a group. What do you all think?

Molag_Crow · December 2015

I know it might be hard to believe for some people, but try to keep in mind that not everyone has a phone to even use these kind of apps.

NewBlacksmurf · December 2015

Look in my signature. Someone has already created it

http://www.esotulfg.com/

If u want to

hamburgerler76 · December 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I know it might be hard to believe for some people, but try to keep in mind that not everyone has a phone to even use these kind of apps.

yea I can see that but in reality that like 1% at most and it would be a good option for everyone else who does witch is pretty much everyone

UltimaJoe777 · December 2015

Not everyone has a headset either though. One of my guild members doesn't have a headset and had to use the chatroom on our guild site to communicate with us during an Undaunted run. It worked fine and all but the thing is it works both ways with voice and text chat, but at least text chat always has a default tool, regardless of how clunky.

Catblade · December 2015

Everyone can just plug a usb keyboard in. try it out sometime.

hamburgerler76 · December 2015

Catblade wrote: »

Everyone can just plug a usb keyboard in. try it out sometime.

sadly even if we do that there is still no in game text chat on consoles

terrordactyl1971 · December 2015

An official android an iOS phone app from ZOS would be better than nothing

KiritoUD · December 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I know it might be hard to believe for some people, but try to keep in mind that not everyone has a phone to even use these kind of apps.

not everyone might have a phone but this would push people to buy a phone boosting sales for other companies to it seems like a good option
but i think the chat should be a opotion like in setting you can turn in on or off

jakeedmundson · December 2015

They don't want to put in text chat because it would make the crappy group finder tool obsolete....
Yeah it scales everyone to the same level.... but... sorry, i'm not going to trust a level 22 healer or tank (regardless of how good of buff they get) to get us through vDarkshade or vCoA...

Also... they don't want anyone to be able to put a wrothgar world boss group together in less than 5 minutes.... we all know that the best part of this game is standing around a world boss waiting 30 minutes or more for 4+ people to wander by...

Asherons_Call · December 2015

I'm sorry op but a companion app or anything outside of in-game UI is not going to be used by enough people to be viable. It would have to first off be an official app released by ZOS and it would need a lot of ingame advertising as well as ease of use and accessibility. This would be a pretty hefty task and if that kind of work was put into something why not just put those hours into an in game solution

dday3six · December 2015

If an alternative to text chat would be considered, it needs to be in game. I'd recommend something like FFXIV's Party Finder. Basically it was an in game ad-board and players could advertise LFG, recruit or look for a guild, sell items and so on. It included options to add a short message, ads were removed after 1 hour, and it was visible across the whole server.

UltimaJoe777 · December 2015

jakeedmundson wrote: »

They don't want to put in text chat because it would make the crappy group finder tool obsolete....
Yeah it scales everyone to the same level.... but... sorry, i'm not going to trust a level 22 healer or tank (regardless of how good of buff they get) to get us through vDarkshade or vCoA...

Also... they don't want anyone to be able to put a wrothgar world boss group together in less than 5 minutes.... we all know that the best part of this game is standing around a world boss waiting 30 minutes or more for 4+ people to wander by...

You also get buffs for using Group Finder.

jakeedmundson · December 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

They don't want to put in text chat because it would make the crappy group finder tool obsolete....
Yeah it scales everyone to the same level.... but... sorry, i'm not going to trust a level 22 healer or tank (regardless of how good of buff they get) to get us through vDarkshade or vCoA...

Also... they don't want anyone to be able to put a wrothgar world boss group together in less than 5 minutes.... we all know that the best part of this game is standing around a world boss waiting 30 minutes or more for 4+ people to wander by...

You also get buffs for using Group Finder.

I know.... but a buffed level 20 with no set gear (which is what it bases the buff on) is going to be worthless in a v16 dungeon.
The level 20 doesn't have the skills unlocked to be efficient... if its a new player, he/she won't understand how to play the character or the dungeon..

hamburgerler76 · December 2015

Asherons_Call wrote: »

I'm sorry op but a companion app or anything outside of in-game UI is not going to be used by enough people to be viable. It would have to first off be an official app released by ZOS and it would need a lot of ingame advertising as well as ease of use and accessibility. This would be a pretty hefty task and if that kind of work was put into something why not just put those hours into an in game solution

pretty much 9/10 games on console release an official companion app along side the game to go with the xbox glass or playastion app like fallout 4 pip boy app battlefield 4 map app. it is not to hard and very easy to access just open the app and game your playing is already right there on xbox glass so I don't see this being to hefty a task

hamburgerler76 · December 2015

dday3six wrote: »

If an alternative to text chat would be considered, it needs to be in game. I'd recommend something like FFXIV's Party Finder. Basically it was an in game ad-board and players could advertise LFG, recruit or look for a guild, sell items and so on. It included options to add a short message, ads were removed after 1 hour, and it was visible across the whole server.

the point is they don't want in game ui text chat so this is an idea instead of that

hamburgerler76 · December 2015

jakeedmundson wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

They don't want to put in text chat because it would make the crappy group finder tool obsolete....
Yeah it scales everyone to the same level.... but... sorry, i'm not going to trust a level 22 healer or tank (regardless of how good of buff they get) to get us through vDarkshade or vCoA...

Also... they don't want anyone to be able to put a wrothgar world boss group together in less than 5 minutes.... we all know that the best part of this game is standing around a world boss waiting 30 minutes or more for 4+ people to wander by...

You also get buffs for using Group Finder.

I know.... but a buffed level 20 with no set gear (which is what it bases the buff on) is going to be worthless in a v16 dungeon.
The level 20 doesn't have the skills unlocked to be efficient... if its a new player, he/she won't understand how to play the character or the dungeon..

This is what make group finder useless. If he cant do it and isn't willing to listen to help him get threw it yea kick him. But the point is to help the community work together and most of the time they can do it. Ive only had 1 or 2 times where we just could not get threw it. If your looking to do a speed run grab some friends or guild members

dday3six · December 2015

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

If an alternative to text chat would be considered, it needs to be in game. I'd recommend something like FFXIV's Party Finder. Basically it was an in game ad-board and players could advertise LFG, recruit or look for a guild, sell items and so on. It included options to add a short message, ads were removed after 1 hour, and it was visible across the whole server.

the point is they don't want in game ui text chat so this is an idea instead of that

The idea I suggested is not text chat. It would fill the same role, but in game, and without the need for another device.

You see the importance of communication methods actually being in game is that some one at work but on a third party app cannot actually run a dungeon with a group, buy or sell an item, etc.

hamburgerler76 · December 2015

dday3six wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

If an alternative to text chat would be considered, it needs to be in game. I'd recommend something like FFXIV's Party Finder. Basically it was an in game ad-board and players could advertise LFG, recruit or look for a guild, sell items and so on. It included options to add a short message, ads were removed after 1 hour, and it was visible across the whole server.

the point is they don't want in game ui text chat so this is an idea instead of that

The idea I suggested is not text chat. It would fill the same role, but in game, and without the need for another device.

You see the importance of communication methods actually being in game is that some one at work but on a third party app cannot actually run a dungeon with a group, buy or sell an item, etc.

witch is why it says in the thread post itself that it would link to your account when you used it and display the current zone your character was in so if your not logged in and you open the app it would just tell you to log in to the game or something did you even read the thread? this way only people in game playing can talk.

Artjuh90 · December 2015

they should just add text chat period. these kind of 'alternatives' are gimpy at best

hamburgerler76 · December 2015

Artjuh90 wrote: »

they should just add text chat period. these kind of 'alternatives' are gimpy at best

well yes we all want that but they have made it very clear they do not plan to add this so atleast they could do is something like this.

DragonSamurai360 · December 2015

I totally disagree with this, I don't have a smartphone and I can't get one for reasons I am not going to explain, and I can't use my microphone due to people in the room. The ONLY option is text chat. True I may be in the minority and would play on the PC if I didn't need to save money to buy a new one. Sorry not trying to be rude. Allthough your idea is great in theory, just wouldn't work in my case.

hamburgerler76 · December 2015

DragonSamurai360 wrote: »

I totally disagree with this, I don't have a smartphone and I can't get one for reasons I am not going to explain, and I can't use my microphone due to people in the room. The ONLY option is text chat. True I may be in the minority and would play on the PC if I didn't need to save money to buy a new one. Sorry not trying to be rude. Allthough your idea is great in theory, just wouldn't work in my case.

This is why in game chat is still number 1 choice I would love it over anything else. But all I'm saying is if there not going to ever do that they could at least do something like this as an option.

TERMINAT0R_XVII · December 2015

Must I say it again? Zenimax has to go through 2 party certifications firstly their own then microsoft/sony certification. Anything outside voice chat most likely WILL NOT MAKE IT TO CONSOLE because of microsoft/sony. Please do your research before posting a question that has been answered MANY times already.

EZgoin76 · December 2015

TERMINAT0R_XVII wrote: »

Must I say it again? Zenimax has to go through 2 party certifications firstly their own then microsoft/sony certification. Anything outside voice chat most likely WILL NOT MAKE IT TO CONSOLE because of microsoft/sony. Please do your research before posting a question that has been answered MANY times already.

That's funny, because I've done the research. The only reasons ZOS gave was console players having a hard time using a keyboard and reading a text box from their couches. Both reasons being complete BS. So if you would kindly link where you read that it's MS & Sonys fault, I'll believe it.

EDIT: By the way. Both MS and Sony let other games use text chat in their games. So why should ESO be any different?

NewBlacksmurf · December 2015

EZgoin76 wrote: »

TERMINAT0R_XVII wrote: »

Must I say it again? Zenimax has to go through 2 party certifications firstly their own then microsoft/sony certification. Anything outside voice chat most likely WILL NOT MAKE IT TO CONSOLE because of microsoft/sony. Please do your research before posting a question that has been answered MANY times already.

That's funny, because I've done the research. The only reasons ZOS gave was console players having a hard time using a keyboard and reading a text box from their couches. Both reasons being complete BS. So if you would kindly link where you read that it's MS & Sonys fault, I'll believe it.

I think they should have wrote that ZOS decided to remove text chat development after being forced to provide voice chat for Sony and Xbox. I'm not sure if one company pushed and another didn't but the end result is that when they have the 6 to 12+ month delay....once voice chat was confirmed, text chat was out.

I will say having played both PC and Xbox one....voice chat is the best option for a game pad regardless of anyone's preferences and setup. Even on PC using the game pad UI, text chat still requires you to have a mouse so that you can fully use it vs just having to type.

In the end, what exists is best for consoles and what exists is best for PC.
Until consoles have full mouse support, this doesn't make a lot of sense because text chat isn't just typing....it's a whole unique community and a totally different type of communication form that will for sure seperate groups of ppl

EZgoin76 · December 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

EZgoin76 wrote: »

TERMINAT0R_XVII wrote: »

Must I say it again? Zenimax has to go through 2 party certifications firstly their own then microsoft/sony certification. Anything outside voice chat most likely WILL NOT MAKE IT TO CONSOLE because of microsoft/sony. Please do your research before posting a question that has been answered MANY times already.

That's funny, because I've done the research. The only reasons ZOS gave was console players having a hard time using a keyboard and reading a text box from their couches. Both reasons being complete BS. So if you would kindly link where you read that it's MS & Sonys fault, I'll believe it.

I think they should have wrote that ZOS decided to remove text chat development after being forced to provide voice chat for Sony and Xbox. I'm not sure if one company pushed and another didn't but the end result is that when they have the 6 to 12+ month delay....once voice chat was confirmed, text chat was out.

I will say having played both PC and Xbox one....voice chat is the best option for a game pad regardless of anyone's preferences and setup. Even on PC using the game pad UI, text chat still requires you to have a mouse so that you can fully use it vs just having to type.

In the end, what exists is best for consoles and what exists is best for PC.
Until consoles have full mouse support, this doesn't make a lot of sense because text chat isn't just typing....it's a whole unique community and a totally different type of communication form that will for sure seperate groups of ppl

That's your experience with text chat, not mine. From my experience with text chat. It brought people together so we could then use voice chat to communicate. Also as I've said before. This isn't a console, pc thing. It's a MMO thing. In a lot of peoples opinions this is NOT what's best for consoles. They may only be peoples opinions but I would say most of them are hardcore mmo players like me who feel It's completely stupid to not have text chat in a mmorpg. Also with every other text chat system I've used on console, there was never any need for a mouse.

We don't want to play the game using kb/mouse. Just need to type. Your making things up because there's zero need for a mouse and text chat would let the people who can't or won't talk be able to communicate with those of us that do. That doesn't separate a community. It brings them together.

Snowstrider · December 2015

TERMINAT0R_XVII wrote: »

Must I say it again? Zenimax has to go through 2 party certifications firstly their own then microsoft/sony certification. Anything outside voice chat most likely WILL NOT MAKE IT TO CONSOLE because of microsoft/sony. Please do your research before posting a question that has been answered MANY times already.

Its not a Microsoft or Sony thing. Its all becouse of zos, They think console players dont want to typ or textchat,yet most people in eso sends messages to eachother so why not make Everything easier for us and add text chat? Zos should listen to their playerbase

EZgoin76 · December 2015

Another thing that boggles my mind. Even if Sony and MS said to ZOS " You have to have voice chat." Why in the world would they still not have both forms of communication? More options are better for everyone.

Snowstrider · December 2015

EZgoin76 wrote: »

Another thing that boggles my mind. Even if Sony and MS said to ZOS " You have to have voice chat." Why in the world would they still not have both forms of communication? More options are better for everyone.

Ask Zos, its not a Microsoft and sony thing.

Peekachu99 · December 2015

Honestly, just go and play on PC. Better performance, more features, addons...Massively larger and more active community. Zone chat...The list goes on and on. I gave this game a shot on PS4 for about 3 weeks and was left filled with wtfs. It's horribly implemented on console, and no unified community across the platforms (ala FFXIV and soon DCUO), was a development decision that will collapse the console versions.

Plus, the controller support is exactly the same in PC--with all of the added benefits listed above. The sooner you make the jump, even on a mid range PC, the better it will be.