2500 crowns for a Snow Bear

Aeladiir · December 2015

What? Why? Why would you do that? It's just a recolour, nothing else. Why? That's the entire Imperial City.

I can - to a certain degree - agree with Nightmare Courser going for 2500 because it's supposed to be a "unique mount".
I can understand that you'd be selling the Frozen Mare for 2500 (or was it 2000?) because it's unique and has some special features.

But a recolour? It's not even a retexture as is the case with Senche mounts! Why would you do that? I mean, I would totally buy the Snow Bear - I love those damned beasts and as a fan of TLOK, I'd love to be riding one - without hesitation if the price was reasonable. But now? Why? 700 additional crowns because it's white, not brown? (that's racist)

Do not take this thread as bashing or whatever. I'm simply questioning why would you do that? What sort of criteria makes you think that a simple recolour should be worth that much?

I've been waiting the entire day for the bear to come into the store. I already had my epic moneyz prepared for the purchase. I ended up being like this:

Turelus · December 2015

You must be new here...

Sorry but this is the standard for these things 2000 - 3000 Crowns for a limited time mount.

DaveMoeDee · December 2015

If that is the normal price for such things, I don't see the problem.

If it isn't worth that much to you, don't buy it.

SantieClaws · December 2015

This one can only hope this bear poops XP pots or something

Alcast · December 2015

Simple > Do not buy it, problem solved. Even 1 crown is too much for such stuff

Jura23 · December 2015

Dont buy, then they might consider reducing price. Thats how it works. If ppl keep buying everything at the opening prices, they will go up all the time.

Tors · December 2015

Do you sub? If so then what else have you got to spend your money on?

If you dont sub, then how do you think they can afford to let you log on and use their servers?

NewBlacksmurf · December 2015

Considering the current crowns discount, this price isn't crazy.
This only exists until Dec 14th so if you're comparing what you spent outside of the discount periods.....maybe its high but considering this is the second discount in less than 45 days on crowns...this thing is pretty cheap

Aeladiir · December 2015

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

If that is the normal price for such things, I don't see the problem.

If it isn't worth that much to you, don't buy it.

Jura23 wrote: »

Dont buy, then they might consider reducing price. Thats how it works. If ppl keep buying everything at the opening prices, they will go up all the time.

You're *** right I won't buy it.

Tors wrote: »

Do you sub? If so then what else have you got to spend your money on?

If you dont sub, then how do you think they can afford to let you log on and use their servers?

I've been subbed since day one until the release of IC, prepurchased imperial edition and bought the DLCs, some mounts and some pets. I've done more than enough to support them (and I enjoy supporting them if I get my money's worth back). This, however, yeah, ... no.

Also, I'm a bit confused people are actually trying to find excuses for ZOS over here. It's actually pretty sad.

tinythinker · December 2015

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

This one can only hope this bear poops XP pots or something

Swallowing something that pops out of a bear's ass? Pass.

Voxicity · December 2015

Don't like it don't buy it

Aeladiir · December 2015

Vox wrote: »

Don't like it don't buy it

So you don't agree that the price should be questioned? You prepurchased SW: Battlefront Ultimate Edition, didn't you?

If the Frost Mare, a "unique" mount cost 3000 and all the retextures of Senches cost 2500, why should a recolour of a bear cost 2500 instead of 2000? All they did was change the colour.

Tors · December 2015

No, I think hes just saying, thats the price, take it or leave it.

Its a few pixels, so in theory NO amount of money is worth it.

Malsidius · December 2015

I'm one to blow my loot on crowns, but 2500 for a white bear does seem a little rediculous. If anything, the prices should be equal. #brownbearsmatter

Turelus · December 2015

Aeladiir wrote: »

Also, I'm a bit confused people are actually trying to find excuses for ZOS over here. It's actually pretty sad.

Because they're not doing anything out of the ordinary in a B2P MMO.

https://eu.battle.net/shop/en/product/game/wow
http://www.swtor-spy.com/guides/swtor-cartel-market-calculator

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gem_Store

zornyan · December 2015

Aeladiir wrote: »

Vox wrote: »

Don't like it don't buy it

So you don't agree that the price should be questioned? You prepurchased SW: Battlefront Ultimate Edition, didn't you?

If the Frost Mare, a "unique" mount cost 3000 and all the retextures of Senches cost 2500, why should a recolour of a bear cost 2500 instead of 2000? All they did was change the colour.

Meh, money is money, for those of us in employment and earning a good wage it's nothing, if it's too expensive for you them don't worry about it

I bought fallout 4 pipboy edition, I love it

I do so because I can afford it, I work so I can buy whatever I fancy in life, it's a few quid for a limited time mount that in years to come others won't have, and it goes towards supporting a game I enjoy.

CJohnson81 · December 2015

Aeladiir wrote: »

Also, I'm a bit confused people are actually trying to find excuses for ZOS over here. It's actually pretty sad.

I don't think people are finding excuses for ZOS, but plenty of people are less likely to get angry over such a thing. Buy or don't buy. No one really cares, especially because there is a precedent for the price. AND because crowns have been discounted and are currently discounted. In fact, it's kind of a steal.

DaveMoeDee · December 2015

Aeladiir wrote: »

Vox wrote: »

Don't like it don't buy it

So you don't agree that the price should be questioned? You prepurchased SW: Battlefront Ultimate Edition, didn't you?

ZOS is already giving great value by making the game B2P. If the mount market can support a $25 prices, good for them. The idea of making mounts less than a dollar seems absurd. These items are what keep the servers running.

The OP mentioned Walmart. My wife an I needed emergency clothes when we were down south so we entered a Walmart. I had never owned such poor quality clothing. I don't want a Walmart game.

WalkingLegacy · December 2015

While I don't disagree with you, OP, we control the market with our wallets. No one buys it then price will drop or prices will drop in future.

Unfortunately it looks like the world continues to except the pay more for nothing philosophy and then defend those rising the prices. Not just in digital content but all aspects of life.

Aeladiir · December 2015

Turelus wrote: »

Aeladiir wrote: »

Also, I'm a bit confused people are actually trying to find excuses for ZOS over here. It's actually pretty sad.

Because they're not doing anything out of the ordinary in a B2P MMO.

https://eu.battle.net/shop/en/product/game/wow
http://www.swtor-spy.com/guides/swtor-cartel-market-calculator

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gem_Store

What? Did you even scroll down to mounts from WoW? All the mounts are different from each other. I'd take any one of those for 20€ (10€ on discount) over a 23€-or-so (13€-or-so on discount) simple recolour of a bear.

Voxicity · December 2015

Aeladiir wrote: »

Vox wrote: »

Don't like it don't buy it

So you don't agree that the price should be questioned? You prepurchased SW: Battlefront Ultimate Edition, didn't you?

If the Frost Mare, a "unique" mount cost 3000 and all the retextures of Senches cost 2500, why should a recolour of a bear cost 2500 instead of 2000? All they did was change the colour.

No. I don't like Star Wars lol. You bought the Orsinium Pack didn't you? And got the crappy bears and now you're mad 'cause you were impatient and they brought out some awesome recoloured ones.

get mad

LostRedden · December 2015

That price discount is only for XB1 and Pc though Smurf, we get shafted on PS4 again...

DaveMoeDee · December 2015

Aeladiir wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Aeladiir wrote: »

Also, I'm a bit confused people are actually trying to find excuses for ZOS over here. It's actually pretty sad.

Because they're not doing anything out of the ordinary in a B2P MMO.

https://eu.battle.net/shop/en/product/game/wow
http://www.swtor-spy.com/guides/swtor-cartel-market-calculator

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gem_Store

What? Did you even scroll down to mounts from WoW? All the mounts are different from each other. I'd take any one of those for 20€ (10€ on discount) over a 23€-or-so (13€-or-so on discount) simple recolour of a bear.

So don't get two bear mounts.

But if someone didn't like the previous bear mount, they might like the white bear mount. And if you haven't noticed, all the other mounts are not bears, so your focus on color is misplaced.

Tors · December 2015

LostRedden wrote: »

That price discount is only for XB1 and Pc though Smurf, we get shafted on PS4 again...

By Sony, who are as trustworthy as Virgin or RBS. Not Zenemaxs fault here, its the enviroment they are working within

robkrush · December 2015

I just think that if we got guys riding around on frickin bears and lizards then clearly realty is not a concern and ZOS can nurf the pebbles that my horse trips over every 5 ft and gets us pulled outta sprint.

Divinius · December 2015

First rule of sales and marketing:

You don't charge what an item is worth, you charge what people are willing to pay. Anything less than that, and you are throwing money away.

If enough people are willing to pay 2500 crowns for a re-skinned bear, then ZOS would be stupid to not charge 2500 crowns for it.

That all said...
For something like this (where supply is essentially infinite), there's always a balance between price, and number of people willing to purchase. The more expensive the item, the fewer people willing to buy it. The cheaper it is, the more people will buy it, to a point. The trick is to find the correct equilibrium point where you can make the most money.

I'm willing to bet that ZOS has these mounts priced very close to their equilibrium point, and that's why they aren't going to get any cheaper.

robkrush · December 2015

Divinius wrote: »

First rule of sales and marketing:

You don't charge what an item is worth, you charge what people are willing to pay. Anything less than that, and you are throwing money away.

If enough people are willing to pay 2500 crowns for a re-skinned bear, then ZOS would be stupid to not charge 2500 crowns for it.

That all said...
For something like this (where supply is essentially infinite), there's always a balance between price, and number of people willing to purchase. The more expensive the item, the fewer people willing to buy it. The cheaper it is, the more people will buy it, to a point. The trick is to find the correct equilibrium point where you can make the most money.

I'm willing to bet that ZOS has these mounts priced very close to their equilibrium point, and that's why they aren't going to get any cheaper.

First rule of making money. If you sell 100,000 units for 5 dollars you make more than you do if your sell 1,000 for 20 dollars.

terrordactyl1971 · December 2015

To be fair to the Op, it does seem steep.....and he is only asking why white is 700 more than brown?

Fair point to be honest

Voxicity · December 2015

And where do those statistics come from? Maybe ZOS will sell 5,000 units? Or 10,000 units? Your rule makes no sense, the variables are random and not sourced

NewBlacksmurf · December 2015

terrordactyl1971 wrote: »

To be fair to the Op, it does seem steep.....and he is only asking why white is 700 more than brown?

Fair point to be honest

Perspective....crowns are on sale

3000 = $16.74
1500 not on sale are $14.99

This is pretty silly to complain about.

robkrush · December 2015

Vox wrote: »

robkrush wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

First rule of sales and marketing:

You don't charge what an item is worth, you charge what people are willing to pay. Anything less than that, and you are throwing money away.

If enough people are willing to pay 2500 crowns for a re-skinned bear, then ZOS would be stupid to not charge 2500 crowns for it.

That all said...
For something like this (where supply is essentially infinite), there's always a balance between price, and number of people willing to purchase. The more expensive the item, the fewer people willing to buy it. The cheaper it is, the more people will buy it, to a point. The trick is to find the correct equilibrium point where you can make the most money.

I'm willing to bet that ZOS has these mounts priced very close to their equilibrium point, and that's why they aren't going to get any cheaper.

First rule of making money. If you sell 100,000 units for 5 dollars you make more than you do if your sell 1,000 for 20 dollars.

And where do those statistics come from? Maybe ZOS will sell 5,000 units? Or 10,000 units? Your rule makes no sense, the variables are random and not sourced

Im sorry you don't understand basic math. ZOS can price items lower and sell more. Or offer more items that cost less. More people will buy. They could make more money. They have nothing to loose, being as it is digital content. They could switch back to one very expensive "exclusive" item any time.